After watching these 3 youtube clips

[Musafar]

I've come to the conclusion that the Afghan Taliban will defeat the USA in Afghanistan simply because the tactics used seem to be straight out of Sun Tzu's handbook.

Leaving politics aside and whatever the media says, Just look at the fighting from a tactical military perspective, do you also agree that the Afghan Taliban is REAL and CREDIBLE fighting force?

Your thoughts.

 

[BATMAN]

I don't think Afghan Taliban have enough resources to fight...

During Russina war it was US arming them with all what is required and now they have no regular resource of wepons.
Some times common Afghanis intercept supply of Russian wepons from Iran to TTP but that amount to nothing in face of NATO might.
Some times, Afghan govt. sell wepons in market, which may end up in any body's hand.

NATO/US face two main problems if they solve it they can effectively gain control of Afghanistan:
1- In the process of hiring agents US ended up hiring more double agents, and it is these double agents who are killing more NATO / US soldiers than rag tag Taliban.
all Hazara aer more loyal to India and Iran, where as both states want to keep US engaged in Afghanistan and... hence they always keep thing boiling.

2- NATO/US are diluted in space but US cannever overcome this shortcomming and India and US traitors inside US administration aer responsible for bleeding US.
It is private contractors which are largely running the war show both in Afghanistan and Iraq. US reconstruction aid and drug trade to Russia and Europe is making many rich beyond their dreams.
this unholy gang of Afghanistan needed to be busted for good.

 

[sur]

...tactics used seem to be straight out of Sun Tzu's handbook....

Talking of tactics used,,, u might wanna watch this movie "The Beast Of War",, it shows a Russian Tank & Afghan mujahideen tactics used,,,
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094716/

Poisoned the water pond...

 

[SparklingCrescent]

Hmmmm.. The last part towards the end, If im not wrong it looks as if Afghan Soldiers surrender, and one of the Taliban guy says "Its ok, Its ok, we don't blame you, nothings gonna happen to you" and then off they go with them.

 

[Musafar]

I don't think Afghan Taliban have enough resources to fight...

During Russina war it was US arming them with all what is required and now they have no regular resource of wepons.

I don't think resources are a problem, its seem that they can snatch resources from their foes with some ease. Now if you said complex and sophisticated resources than i would agree, for example - stingers, javelins, anti-tank etc. But i think they've compensated with IED's to some extent.

Also, Just look at this video and see how they over-ran this US/Afghan base recently and the amount of ammo they captured, its almost unbelievable that such large quantities of ammo can be stored in one remote location. That will be lasting them a LONG time.

 

[Musafar]

Talking of tactics used,,, u might wanna watch this movie "The Beast Of War",, it shows a Russian Tank & Afghan mujahideen tactics used,,,
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094716/

Seen it, its very old but a classic - "RPG - Tank - Kaboom". If you want to see a good movie watch "son of a lion" - its not about afghanistan but FATA but has a good theme to it. Watch it and find out.

 

[Musafar]

Hmmmm.. The last part towards the end, If im not wrong it looks as if Afghan Soldiers surrender, and one of the Taliban guy says "Its ok, Its ok, we don't blame you, nothings gonna happen to you" and then off they go with them.

Found that strange too.

I would've thought they would be killed on the spot. Maybe something in Islam about treating prisoners of war, after all they still have that US soldier somewhere. Don't know.

 

[Omar1984]

This war is like the Vietnam war for the U.S. and like the Vietnam war the Americans will need someone to blame. They blamed Cambodia for their failures in the Vietnam war, now they will blame Pakistan for their failures in this war OF terror. I just hope this war OF terror ends soon, and Pakistan goes back to what it was doing before....giving the indian soldiers headache in India Occupied Kashmir.

 

[T-Faz]

While most people would be happy to see the NATO forces suffer a defeat, please understand that our country will suffer because of such an event in the long run. Lets think hypothetically for a second, if the Taliban is able to succeed in driving out the coalition forces. We will be swarmed, once again with a high number of refugees trying to escape the brutal Taliban rule, terrorist organizations will once again find a country to conduct their activities that could potentially be disastrous for the whole region.

Our relation with US and NATO in general will nose dive and it is our country that will face all the pressure and isolation as a result of it. The best solution would be a negotiated end to this war where the end result is to the liking of all groups and parties involved.

Think rationally and do not present a point of view that you would like to see happen. A mistake was made once before where we suffered as a consequence, think of the consequences when you consider such an outcome in the war in Afghanistan.

Another thing we overlook is the people of Afghanistan who have suffered a great deal for a long period. I would like to see an outcome to this war where the people of Afghanistan are the true benefactors.

 

[Musafar]

Our relation with US and NATO in general will nose dive and it is our country that will face all the pressure and isolation as a result of it.

So? No one in Pakistan likes Americans other than the corrupt ruling elite. Let an American representative walk down any street in pakistan unescorted and you'll be lucky to recognize him after 5 mins. This is a reality. There's a distinct difference between the feelings of the public and those who happen to represent them on a global stage.

Our helpfulness to their cause has given us bigger problems and we have incurred greater losses than them. What does that tell you? Had we remained neutral and been like the Iranians and refused airspace, logistics, bases we wouldn't be facing the dilemma we are today, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Afghanistan needs to be decided by its people. Today not a single Taliban would be able to remain in Afghanistan unless there's some grass roots underlying support for them. So they must be doing something right to win the hearts of the people or else the greatest superpower on earth would've defeated them a long time ago.

Lastly, i believe the solution to Afghanistan is a political one and not solely militarily. If US troops are there to pull the strings, like they do to some extent in Pakistan, than i think this insurgency will never end as Afghans by nature do not like being ruled by colonialists.

 

[sur]

Found that strange too.

I would've thought they would be killed on the spot. Maybe something in Islam about treating prisoners of war, after all they still have that US soldier somewhere. Don't know.

Probably reason is that these were "real" taliban,, NOT CIA/RAW sponsored so-called taliban like TTP...

 

[T-Faz]

Well if you want to discuss reality then do mention the fact that our biggest trading partner is USA, if they want to harm us, they can do so in such a ruthless manner that we would suffer a great deal. Remember when the Pressler Amendments were passed in the early 90's and Pakistan was sanctioned as a result of it's Nuclear Program. Our poverty increased many folds, economy went on a downward spiral and our development was stalled, all because of these sanctions. We were so deep in the pockets of US because of our expensive nuclear program that Agha Shahi (foreign minister) warned Zia that once US pulls out as was expected, we would be under great financial restraint. This caused Pakistan to take some drastic steps to bolster it's finances and remain afloat.

We had to cooperate with US not only because we were geopolitically important for this war but also to restart our relation with them that allows us to develop and move forward. Though relations with US are harmful in the long run, we have to play diplomatically and through proxies to actually succeed in getting the best out of a situation.

Iran is a much richer country than us and has natural resources that are readily available, where as we would have to do spend high amounts before we see any profit from our vast resources. By aligning ourselves with the west we can coerce them into situations that will be beneficial to us.

You need to think rationally and consider the impact of us acting like a rogue state, we put a great diplomatic front against the soviets and were able to pay a different game under secrecy. We shall do so again and do what is in the best interest of Pakistan.

I shall post the references tomorrow for the mentioned info.

 

[sur]

....if the Taliban is able to succeed in driving out the coalition forces. We will be swarmed, once again with a high number of refugees trying to escape the brutal Taliban rule

Afghan migration took place coz of USSR invasion, NOT because of taliban rule,,,

, terrorist organizations will once again find a country to conduct their activities that could potentially be disastrous for the whole region.

Since I and many like me believe that these activities r result of CIA/RAW sponsorship, so according to "us" defeat of US will result in reversal of terrorism,,,

This mess in Pak Watan started AFTER nato's invasion,,,, & AFTER india was given freehand in Afghan,,,

...people of Afghanistan who have suffered a great deal for a long period. I would like to see an outcome to this war where the people of Afghanistan are the true benefactors.

Looking at the fact that there's a fighter in majority of families of Afghanis, for US to truly win the war they'll have to eliminate majority of Afghan population,,, Who will be the beneficiary when there no one left to benefit...!!!