Afghani Taliban's view on Pakistan and Durand Line.

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

Mr. Niazi, Please stop accusing me of things that are not true. Yes, ethnic groups in Afghanistan have problems with each other, and on personal level i dont hate pashtoons, have never hated them and will never hate them. I dont have to justify myself to you, but this is the truth and end of it.

I am not creating any rifts between anybody, but this is the truth.

truth is afgans are being brainwashed by enemies of PAKISTAN. those who are jealous with PAKISTAN.

 

[Rafi]

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Have met many Afghans - majority don't hate anybody - they are just trying to survive, know many many Pakistani Pukhtoon's from every walk of life, even served with them, and I can tell you - 1000% they are as Patriotic as any other Pakistani if not more.

Hundreds of thousands of Pakistani Pukhtoon's like Ret'd Gen Ehsan-ul-Haq.

General Ehsan ul Haq (born September 22, 1949 in Mardan), is a retired 4 star general in the Pakistan Army who served as the Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee of the Pakistan Military until October 8, 2007. After the military coup of 1999 in which General Pervez Musharraf came to power, General Ehsan was given some of the most important posts in the Pakistan Army

 

[Ahmad]

truth is afgans are being brainwashed by enemies of PAKISTAN. those who are jealous with PAKISTAN.

It is purely ethnic matter, otherwise why people like me dont want KP to be separated from Pakistan, it has nothing to do with all Afghans.

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

crimes and faults of Pashtuns? which crimes? Wasn't it you punabis who killed, raped, and massacred all of those bengalis in east Pakistan? or was it Pashtuns? buddy i suggest you look in the mirror and see who's the ruling elite in Pakistan? are they Pashtuns, Balochis, or are they Punjabis, Sindhis, and Mohajirs?

we all have played our part on our places.
neither punjabies , nor pashtoons , nor sihndhies , nor balochs , nor muhajirs did good for PAKISTAN.
but one thing it is reality that punjab has benefited the most and a fact that should be realized and in future other provinces too should be allowed equal development in order to achieve unity.

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

It is purely ethnic matter, otherwise why people like me dont want KP to be separated from Pakistan, it has nothing to do with all Afghans.

those who want it are in actual enemy of pashtoons because PAKISTANI pashtoons are going to suffer alot..... rather enormous it is reality.

 

[Secret Service]

Afghans can never be enemies of Pakistan...when American f**k off from Afghanistan everything will be alright..

 

[Truth Teller]

crimes and faults of Pashtuns? which crimes? Wasn't it you punabis who killed, raped, and massacred all of those bengalis in east Pakistan? or was it Pashtuns? buddy i suggest you look in the mirror and see who's the ruling elite in Pakistan? are they Pashtuns, Balochis, or are they Punjabis, Sindhis, and Mohajirs?

Was it Punjabis who raped, genocided, Hazaras and non-Pashtuns of Afghanistan? Is it Punjabis who take pride in raping and killling Hazaras? Was It because of Punjabis the Pashtuns have been treating non-Pashtuns as inferiors in Afghanistan for the last 2 centuries? Was it the Punjabis or Pashtuns who called the soviets to Afghanistan in the first place?

It's your own Pashtun people who still to this day refuse to accept the non-Pashtuns of Afghanistan as "real Afghans".

I suggest you have a look at yourself in the mirror first, and stop blaimng us for the major failiures of your own people.

 

[Ahmad]

those who want it are in actual enemy of pashtoons because PAKISTANI pashtoons are going to suffer alot..... rather enormous it is reality.

I am not talking about Pakistani Pakhtuns. This forum is enough to know how pakistani pakhtuns and how they feel about pakistan.

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

even afghan pashtoons are going to suffer , because pashtoonistan mean land locked country , no karachi.
so in economic prospective it is just like suicide

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

Was it Punjabis who raped, genocided, Hazaras and non-Pashtuns of Afghanistan? Is it Punjabis who take pride in raping and killling Hazaras? Was It because of Punjabis the Pashtuns have been treating non-Pashtuns as inferiors in Afghanistan for the last 2 centuries? Was it the Punjabis or Pashtuns who called the soviets to Afghanistan in the first place?

It's your own Pashtun people who still to this day refuse to accept the non-Pashtuns of Afghanistan as "real Afghans".

I suggest you have a look at yourself in the mirror first, and stop blaimng us for the major failiures of your own people.

plzzzzzzzzzzzz brothers forget past, just think and plan about future.
reality is we all are going to survive only if PAKISTAN survives and enemies of PAKISTAN are active their mission of driving wedge in our unity.
plzzzzzzzzzz stop blame game.

 

[Rafi]

This thread has been hijacked - I am sure I know more Punjabi's Pukhtoon's Sindhi's etc etc than anyone here, I have served with them and know them all to be Patriot's. Please don't generalize and stereotype people. You do a great disservice to people of all ethnicity of good will.

 

[Spring Onion]

my point isn't if there is a durand shuran etc...... My point is that Pakistan can easily mine that border if we wanted to, we can fence it, brick it, heck we can build the great wall of china if we wanted to but our army and isi just don't want to! Why? because obviously how else will their proxies conduct operations in Afghanistan? How else will they make money from the illegal drugs being channeled through Afghanistan, Iran, and then to Russia? after all a powerful agency like ISI needs funds to operate am i right?

You should first visit FATA/our border with Afghanistan and then i will ask you if you support mining the border or not. atleast we civilized people of the world DO NOT support mining an areas which is a passage of normal people they are not enemies who should be subjected to mines.


secondly our border areas with Afghanistan have such an arrangement where if a family has a house on Pakistani side they have a courtyard on Afghan side. its not easy to mine.

Yes we can fence it and we had proposed that many times but Karzai was poking his nose. he knew his side will lose many economic tools if fenced it.

we are in an active war so better when the war is over we will work on fencing.

and FYI ISI did not make any money through drugs but these same Afghans made along with few people from our FATA. Pakistan was flooded with drugs after 80s our youth was badly affected. Thank God we have made great progress in curbing it.

You see, Pashtuns have become a tool for ISI, something to use when they want to kill Afghans or indians in Kashmir, Pak army used Pashtuns during 1947 against india, 1980's against Russia, and then 1990's against Northern Alliance (who BTW we once funded and trained as well). What are we, some kind of object they can play with and then bomb when their western masters tell them to??

in 47 there was NO India. and FYI false claim of ISI using us Pukhtuns in 47 omg i wonder if your account has been hacked by an India nothing else because any ignorant enemy can come up with such an imaginary claim because in 47 ISI was not formed. and NEITHER the Pakistan army conducted the referendum in FATA it was under Britishers

so RIP to your claim here


in 80s not only Pukhtuns but hazaras/uzbek/tajiks all fought against USSR.

in 1990s we did not use them they were in their own war for power. and if anti-Pakistan elements join hands with our enemy we have all the rights to join hands with the group/s


you can take rest when we are free from this ongoing war we will think of Kashmir so far we had not taken part in Kashmir struggle

 

[Rafi]

I as a Punjabi have the highest esteem for all our Pakistani ethnic brethren - please do not allow a few bad apples to cause hostility.

 

[FireFighter]

I tried to find the video of his interviews that he clearly showed his annoyance with pakistan and called them untrusthworthy partners-i couldnt find and if i find it, then i will PM it to you. Here is something what he said somewhere else:

Right from the beginning of his time in Islamabad, Zaeef was deeply wary of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency, suspecting it of double-dealing with the Taliban’s own enemies in Afghanistan.

Memoirs of Mulla Abdul Salam Zaeef | America at War

Now you're saying Mulla Z thinks Pak is untrustworthy, but where does it say he hates Pakistan?

Listen, I read Zaeef`s book. I`m not going to buy your propaganda videos and blindly believe in them.


First backup your words with substance before you make any more false accusations.

It's not me, it's the common Pashtoons in Afghanistan and these taliban fighters say about Durand Line. Do you think the Taliban are stupid enough to talk about NWFP now and then while they needed pakistan the most in their fight? As i said before, things will come out if they win.

Common pahstuns are more concerned about earning bread and butter for survival everyday than contempolating on the status of Durand line.

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

ahmed bhi look most of PAKISTANI has no ill feelings for any afghan no matter of what ethnicity he is.
and other thing black sheep are every where.

i always condemned and will condemn persecution of non pashtoons in afghanistan.
it is reality pashtoons are not liked most of minorities in afghanistan ans afghan govt should ensure protection of rights of minorities in order to achieve stable afghanistan and same applies here in PAKISTAN. equality and harmony