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its you who are talking foolishly and have no sense about geopolitics just tell me who is better option for pakistan taliban or puppet northern alliance. im not a spoke person of taliban but what i saw its clearly enough to any sensible person who is better option for pakistan
They're both bad, and Pakistan needs to make it so that once rhe US leaves, neither the Afghan gov, nor the taliban will ever become a threat to Pakistan's existence. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

Considering you consider them to be and I quote

i have a feeling that afghan taliban is a black flag army of kurasan

You may as well be a spokesman for them.

Leave them. Time will prove it, just as time has proven the Kabul city state will fall to Taliban.

Even America has accepted this scenario, but some pseudo liberals are having a difficult time accepting this.
If you're referring to me, I'm referring to this comment...

i have a feeling that afghan taliban is a black flag army of kurasan

This has nothing to do with the US winning or losing. You and him are literally twisting my words, which is disappointing, because you're better than that.
 
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They're both bad, and Pakistan needs to make it so that once rhe US leaves, neither the Afghan gov, nor the taliban will ever become a threat to Pakistan's existence. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

Considering you consider them to be and I quote



You may as well be a spokesman for them.


If you're referring to me, I'm referring to this comment...



This has nothing to do with the US winning or losing. You and him are literally twisting my words, which is disappointing, because you're better than that.
their is no 3rd option and whole world know during taliban govt pakistan and afghanistan enjoying friendly relationship their is no indian presence in afghanistan in that time. and about 3rd option afghan never accept anyone but taliban its a reality which not gonna change american try and now they beg for safe exit

production of terror is not gonna stop soon . these hell bunt animals will take so many innocent lives .


some of them will create and join more violent groups like ISIS[/QUOT
unfortunately more educated join this shit
Islamic State fighters parading through Raqqa in Syria. Photograph: Uncredited/AP


Recruits to Islamic militant groups are likely to be well educated and relatively wealthy, with those aspiring to be suicide bombers among the best off, a study by the World Bank has found.

The research, based on internal records from the Islamic State group, will reinforce the growing conclusion among specialists that there is no obvious link between poverty or educational levels and radicalisation.

The data, leaked by a disaffected former member of Isis in March, includes basic information on 3,803 foreign recruits from all over the Islamic world and Europe who joined the organisation between early 2013 and late 2014, when the flow of volunteers to the organisation reached a peak.

Those arriving in Isis-controlled territory were vetted and interviewed. Data on country of residence, citizenship, marital status, skills, educational status, previous extremist experience and knowledge of Islamic law was recorded.

The World Bank study found that 69% of recruits reported at least a secondary level education while “15% left school before high school and less than 2% are illiterate”.

The educational level of recruits from north Africa or the Middle East was significantly greater than that of most of their compatriots, the researchers found.

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“A large fraction have gone on to study at university … Recruits from Africa, south and east Asia and the Middle East are significantly more educated than individuals from their cohort in their region of origin,” the report said.

The recruits were also asked by Isis what role they hoped to play within the group. The proportions of those who wanted to be administrators and “suicide fighters” increased with education, the report’s authors noted.

Neither inequality nor poverty was a driver of involvement in violent extremism, and wealthier countries were more likely to supply foreign recruits for Isis, the report found.

“In countries with a large Muslim population, low degrees of religiosity, low levels of trust in religious institutions and strong government and social control of religion seem to be risk factors of radicalisation,” the report said.

Ongoing research into causes of Islamic militancy has underlined the complexity of motives of recruits and volunteers, as well as the differences between different conflict zones.

Earlier this week, a report into Boko Haram, the Isis-affiliated Islamist group in Nigeria, found that female members of the brutal organisation were almost as likely as men to be deployed as fighters, challenging a widespread perception that women are mainly used as cooks, sex slaves and suicide bombers.

Isis’s attitude to using women as fighters has evolved, and varies according to local circumstances. Female recruits have not taken up combat roles in areas the group controls in Iraq and Syria but are increasingly deployed tactically, or at least encouraged to execute terrorist operations in Europe and elsewhere. An alleged terrorist cell dismantled in Morocco last week included women.

The research by Finn Church Aid, a Finnish NGO, also found that economic factors were important in drawing people in north-east Nigeria into extremist violence.
 
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Fresh Graduates ? Fcuk you are a violent Terrorist group, better talk to US and make sure the peace comes back to Afghanistan .

and Hezbulpigs are not terrorists. Sunnio se tum haramio ko shuru se masla hai. You are ready to lick US boots when it comes to Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
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their is no 3rd option and whole world know during taliban govt pakistan and afghanistan enjoying friendly relationship their is no indian presence in afghanistan in that time. and about 3rd option afghan never accept anyone but taliban its a reality which not gonna change american try and now they beg for safe exit
There is a third option, seek a peace deal between the Afghan gov and the taliban, where neither one has outright power or control over the entire country. This would de facto partition Afghanistan between Kabul and Kandahar, without actually splitting the country into two pieces, thus containing the threat the afghans present to Pakistan. There is one country that can force this diplomatically, it's Pakistan.

Once again, I repeat myself, when the talIban were in power, the relations between Pakistan and Afghanistan were NOT friendly, they were tolerable at best. Considering the taliban don't recognize the Durand line, and also follow the official Afghan line that 40-60% of Pakistan belongs to Afghanistan, there can be no real friendship between Pakistan and Afghanistan, whether it's the Afghan gov or the taliban.
 
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Sir G, are they not the remains of same bunch, which were lastly trained by USA with assistance of Pakistan and Muslims were recruited from all over the world to wage Jihad in Afghanistan and were known as Mujahideen?
No they are not, Its a common misconception or rather a well crafted propaganda . The Mujaheddin Consisted of vast majority o Groups from all over Afghanistan that included predominantly 8 sunni and 8 Shia Groups that fought against Soviet Union and Communists.
The 8 Shia groups never supported Taliban.
Out of the 8 Sunni Mujaheddin Groups only one group supported the Taliban that of Molana Younis Khalis, Rest of them were part of Afghan Northern Alliance and then Current Afghan Government. Taliban came after 1996 way after the Soviet Jihad and 80s chapter.
Burhanuddin Rabbani, Abdul Rasul Sayyaf, Ahmad Gilani, Sibghatullah Mujadaddi, Monala Mohammad Nabi etc were all major Commanders of Mujahiddin and fierece opponen sof Taliban. Even the Anti American Stalwart Gulbadin Hikmatyaar was expelled from Afghansitan by the Taliban and his Training camps in Pakistan were handed over to Sipah e Sihaba.
Here is a reference. Burhanudin Rabbani's Son Salahuddin Rabbani (Kingston University USA Graduate) was Afghan Embassidor to Turkey in 2012 and now representative of Afghan Government for peace with Taliban
Brother of Ahmad shah Massud was Vice President to Hamid Karzai and his son Ahmad Massud is also in Current Government
Late Sibghatullah Mujadaddi was Speaker of Afghan Assembly in 2011
Abdul Rasul Siaf's Islamic Dawah Party is sitting in Afghan Parliament.
Ahmad Gilani's Daughter, Fatima Gilani is President of Afghan Red Crescent.

Point is those Mujaheddin were Normal Afghan People with Educated Children who are running their lives in Current Afghan Government and system. They were not Taliban or anything remotely similar to Taliban.
And No matter our differences with current situation in Afghanistan one must not Forget there is a primary difference between Soviet union Invasion and USA Occupation. Soviets came to impose their Ideological System of Communism in Afghanistan that included mass kidnapping and Murder of Religious Scholars and Tribal Leaders. they were using Sledgehammer approach to impose a system that was rejected by locals.
Americans are here not to impose any ideology on anyone. They don't care about ideologies and systems to be honest. All they want is Politics of the region and securing their interests. They have not carried the brutal suppression and Ideological Impositions on the Public like the Soviets did.
 
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No they are not, Its a common misconception or rather a well crafted propaganda . The Mujaheddin Consisted of vast majority o Groups from all over Afghanistan that included predominantly 8 sunni and 8 Shia Groups that fought against Soviet Union and Communists.
The 8 Shia groups never supported Taliban.
Out of the 8 Sunni Mujaheddin Groups only one group supported the Taliban that of Molana Younis Khalis, Rest of them were part of Afghan Northern Alliance and then Current Afghan Government. Taliban came after 1996 way after the Soviet Jihad and 80s chapter.
Burhanuddin Rabbani, Abdul Rasul Sayyaf, Ahmad Gilani, Sibghatullah Mujadaddi, Monala Mohammad Nabi etc were all major Commanders of Mujahiddin and fierece opponen sof Taliban. Even the Anti American Stalwart Gulbadin Hikmatyaar was expelled from Afghansitan by the Taliban and his Training camps in Pakistan were handed over to Sipah e Sihaba.
Here is a reference. Burhanudin Rabbani's Son Salahuddin Rabbani (Kingston University USA Graduate) was Afghan Embassidor to Turkey in 2012 and now representative of Afghan Government for peace with Taliban
Brother of Ahmad shah Massud was Vice President to Hamid Karzai and his son Ahmad Massud is also in Current Government
Late Sibghatullah Mujadaddi was Speaker of Afghan Assembly in 2011
Abdul Rasul Siaf's Islamic Dawah Party is sitting in Afghan Parliament.
Ahmad Gilani's Daughter, Fatima Gilani is President of Afghan Red Crescent.

Point is those Mujaheddin were Normal Afghan People with Educated Children who are running their lives in Current Afghan Government and system. They were not Taliban or anything remotely similar to Taliban.
And No matter our differences with current situation in Afghanistan one must not Forget there is a primary difference between Soviet union Invasion and USA Occupation. Soviets came to impose their Ideological System of Communism in Afghanistan that included mass kidnapping and Murder of Religious Scholars and Tribal Leaders. they were using Sledgehammer approach to impose a system that was rejected by locals.
Americans are here not to impose any ideology on anyone. They don't care about ideologies and systems to be honest. All they want is Politics of the region and securing their interests. They have not carried the brutal suppression and Ideological Impositions on the Public like the Soviets did.
I respect your POV, but it is your personal. IMO those Mujahideen of 80 became warlords in Afghanistan and divided the nation, they defy ALLAH SWT after taking oath in Makkah. Taliban got victory on those warlords in just few days with the help of Afghan public; public was fed up with EX-Mujahideen looting and atrocities.
The battle fought in 80 was merely for independence but since 2001 till today it is for restoration of Islamic identity of a Muslim country and expulsion of occupation forces. Could you see the difference, in 80 whole world was with Mujahideen with all material support and after 2000 the whole world against Taliban and they are thriving against the world. Don't you consider it a will of ALLAH SWT?
For your narrative of comparison among USSR and USA. I will merely say US are Evangelists. Just take a look around how they are softening up the area for future expansion of Zionism. If you try to understand in the guidance of Quran and Hadith, you will become more aware of what is happening and what is going to be.
USA is more cruel than USSR. What happens in 80s in Afghanistan was also much much more propagated by western media. Did you remember the theory of WMDs?
Do you think the Karzai and present regime in Afghanistan are legitimate? They are puppets and same like 'South Vietnam' in 70s. Could you see it on the world map?
Mr Bush himself called the attack on Afghanistan as 'Crusade'. Please just Google what that word stands for? I think it far from enough for this discussion.
 
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There is a third option, seek a peace deal between the Afghan gov and the taliban, where neither one has outright power or control over the entire country. This would de facto partition Afghanistan between Kabul and Kandahar, without actually splitting the country into two pieces, thus containing the threat the afghans present to Pakistan. There is one country that can force this diplomatically, it's Pakistan.

Once again, I repeat myself, when the talIban were in power, the relations between Pakistan and Afghanistan were NOT friendly, they were tolerable at best. Considering the taliban don't recognize the Durand line, and also follow the official Afghan line that 40-60% of Pakistan belongs to Afghanistan, there can be no real friendship between Pakistan and Afghanistan, whether it's the Afghan gov or the taliban.
asi govt kabi kamyab nai hoti jaha power ke 2 markaz ho

Well shit does happen sometimes due to miscommunication. No one is 100% immune to that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNS_Zulfiqar_(K265)
this type of shit mostly happen with your ultra educated army who dont know how to used friend or foe system
 
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I respect your POV, but it is your personal. IMO those Mujahideen of 80 became warlords in Afghanistan and divided the nation, they defy ALLAH SWT after taking oath in Makkah. Taliban got victory on those warlords in just few days with the help of Afghan public; public was fed up with EX-Mujahideen looting and atrocities.
The battle fought in 80 was merely for independence but since 2001 till today it is for restoration of Islamic identity of a Muslim country and expulsion of occupation forces. Could you see the difference, in 80 whole world was with Mujahideen with all material support and after 2000 the whole world against Taliban and they are thriving against the world. Don't you consider it a will of ALLAH SWT?
For your narrative of comparison among USSR and USA. I will merely say US are Evangelists. Just take a look around how they are softening up the area for future expansion of Zionism. If you try to understand in the guidance of Quran and Hadith, you will become more aware of what is happening and what is going to be.
USA is more cruel than USSR. What happens in 80s in Afghanistan was also much much more propagated by western media. Did you remember the theory of WMDs?
Do you think the Karzai and present regime in Afghanistan are legitimate? They are puppets and same like 'South Vietnam' in 70s. Could you see it on the world map?
Mr Bush himself called the attack on Afghanistan as 'Crusade'. Please just Google what that word stands for? I think it far from enough for this discussion.
So many things said in one breath. I will try to break them one by one.
-I don't know which oath are you talking about that Afghan Resistance to Soviet union leaders took in Mecca.
-No mujaheddin commander divided the nation Except one. Gulbadin Hikmatyaar Broke away and started war against the united front of all other commanders. Hikmatyaar gained support from Pakistan while the rest were alienated. Hikmatyaar nearly won the battle against all other commanders because he was Supported fully by PAKISTAN. All Commanders made a unified Government named "Islamic State of Afghanistan". Massud, Rabbani, Mujaddadi, etc were all part of the government in a bid to normalize Afghanistan. (thats where we started doing tons of mistakes which we are suffering to date, we shoudl have supported a united initiative of a national government instead of first supporting Hikmatyaar then pushing for Taliban)
-Taliban were fully supported by PAKISTAN and Gulf Arab Countries. Hikmatyaar ran out of favors from us after his less then stellar performance. His Training camps in Pakistan were given to JUI and SSP in support of Taliban.
-OK so battle against Soviets was Nationalistic and Battle against Americans is Islamic? Whatever suits the narrative mate.
-Whole world was not with mujaheddin. Western block along with China Pakistan, Turkey Iran and GCC were with Mujahdden while Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, Iraq, Syria, Al fatah(Palestine), India were with Socialist Government of Kabul
-Thriving? how do you define thriving? Afghanistan is in ruins. Their children are dying no education no food no quality life. Its easy to say all these "Riding on a horse with Holy Banner" Stuff sitting inside Stable comfortable country while wishing glory for a people who are suffering for 4 decades.

As for Americans and their Misadventures that is a whole different topic. If you care for Afghans please donate some of your money for improvement of Afghan Children. Anywhere, Educational institutes, childcare programs, Hospitals, Refugees etc. that will please Allah Much more then Glorifying Armed Conflicts.
 
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-I don't know which oath are you talking about that Afghan Resistance to Soviet union leaders took in Mecca.
Just explore and Google you could easily find that what happened to Afghanistan ... abandoned by the whole world even the main organizer of Jihad left the area in haste because the actual mission was accomplished. The vacuum created filled by warlords (ex-Mujahideen) and again Afghanistan gone down the drain. In KSA all factions got together for unity and the took oath there (I think you have some misunderstanding on it as you mentioned oath to Soviets).

-No mujaheddin commander divided the nation Except one. Gulbadin Hikmatyaar Broke away and started war against the united front of all other commanders. Hikmatyaar gained support from Pakistan while the rest were alienated. Hikmatyaar nearly won the battle against all other commanders because he was Supported fully by PAKISTAN. All Commanders made a unified Government named "Islamic State of Afghanistan". Massud, Rabbani, Mujaddadi, etc were all part of the government in a bid to normalize Afghanistan. (thats where we started doing tons of mistakes which we are suffering to date, we shoudl have supported a united initiative of a national government instead of first supporting Hikmatyaar then pushing for Taliban)
Nope - what I understand, they started fighting among them. When all reconciliation efforts failed then Pakistan get in to support the rebellion of Mullah Omar against atrocities of warlords. As per your narrative only one faction separated; it is unbelievable that Mullah Omar with support of handful men able to dislodge so experienced fighting force in days.

-Taliban were fully supported by PAKISTAN and Gulf Arab Countries. Hikmatyaar ran out of favors from us after his less then stellar performance. His Training camps in Pakistan were given to JUI and SSP in support of Taliban.
Taliban only supported by Pakistan, KSA and UAE. None else recognised them. For your claim of JUI & SSP, I don't have any material to support.

-OK so battle against Soviets was Nationalistic and Battle against Americans is Islamic? Whatever suits the narrative mate.
It is my observations/opinion, you are free to keep your own - cheers.

-Whole world was not with mujaheddin. Western block along with China Pakistan, Turkey Iran and GCC were with Mujahdden while Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, Iraq, Syria, Al fatah(Palestine), India were with Socialist Government of Kabul
USSR was the main opponent, Eastern Europe was not in a position to economically/politically to support their side. Iraq, Syria and PLA also of same status as of Eastern Europe. India was though in better position but only provided political/moral support.

-Thriving? how do you define thriving? Afghanistan is in ruins. Their children are dying no education no food no quality life. Its easy to say all these "Riding on a horse with Holy Banner" Stuff sitting inside Stable comfortable country while wishing glory for a people who are suffering for 4 decades.
Thriving is for Taliban, do not take it in general for Afghanistan. Dare to stand in opposition to whom, who are responsible for the present condition of Afghanistan. Do you believe that USA was justified in attacking Afghanistan? Do you believe that cavemen in Afghanistan were able to chalk out the strategy/plan of 9/11. By the way that was the first test of drone technology.

As for Americans and their Misadventures that is a whole different topic. If you care for Afghans please donate some of your money for improvement of Afghan Children. Anywhere, Educational institutes, childcare programs, Hospitals, Refugees etc. that will please Allah Much more then Glorifying Armed Conflicts.
Actual that is the main part ... where ever on globe there are problems / issues / conflicts; you will find UK or USA connection to that. In the scenario of Afghanistan it is very well connected.
I care for Afghan, Pakistan care for them, what you more expecting ... we accommodated millions even in our dire economic conditions; what do you think ALLAH SWT will not be pleased for this. Even the best friend of Afghanistan did not refuge them in need. Else enlighten yourself with a thread on PDF, keeping in mind the status of our own economy:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-gifts-to-afghanistan.615302/#post-11399724
What do you think, we are not paying tax in Pakistan? Not even a paisa from our pocket utilised in Afghan assistance?
 
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So many things said in one breath. I will try to break them one by one.
-I don't know which oath are you talking about that Afghan Resistance to Soviet union leaders took in Mecca.
-No mujaheddin commander divided the nation Except one. Gulbadin Hikmatyaar Broke away and started war against the united front of all other commanders. Hikmatyaar gained support from Pakistan while the rest were alienated. Hikmatyaar nearly won the battle against all other commanders because he was Supported fully by PAKISTAN. All Commanders made a unified Government named "Islamic State of Afghanistan". Massud, Rabbani, Mujaddadi, etc were all part of the government in a bid to normalize Afghanistan. (thats where we started doing tons of mistakes which we are suffering to date, we shoudl have supported a united initiative of a national government instead of first supporting Hikmatyaar then pushing for Taliban)
-Taliban were fully supported by PAKISTAN and Gulf Arab Countries. Hikmatyaar ran out of favors from us after his less then stellar performance. His Training camps in Pakistan were given to JUI and SSP in support of Taliban.
-OK so battle against Soviets was Nationalistic and Battle against Americans is Islamic? Whatever suits the narrative mate.
-Whole world was not with mujaheddin. Western block along with China Pakistan, Turkey Iran and GCC were with Mujahdden while Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, Iraq, Syria, Al fatah(Palestine), India were with Socialist Government of Kabul
-Thriving? how do you define thriving? Afghanistan is in ruins. Their children are dying no education no food no quality life. Its easy to say all these "Riding on a horse with Holy Banner" Stuff sitting inside Stable comfortable country while wishing glory for a people who are suffering for 4 decades.

As for Americans and their Misadventures that is a whole different topic. If you care for Afghans please donate some of your money for improvement of Afghan Children. Anywhere, Educational institutes, childcare programs, Hospitals, Refugees etc. that will please Allah Much more then Glorifying Armed Conflicts.
Do u remember I-10 islamabad was once mini Afghan. Where 9 out 10 persons afghani.
You feed their kids to please God.
Then those kids will hurt you as grown up men.
What productive Afghanis have done for us. Most of Bat $hit comes from there. & those refugees they give shelter to those radicals who bomb our country. Supply weapons n drugs.
I think fencing on afghan border is to be completed.
We shud mind our business instead doing Zakat to Afghanis.
There is alot of poverty within pakistan.
& Charity begins @ home.

To be on topic.
These tribes can never make peace together. Vigilantism was part of afghan history and it will continue its course the same.
 
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Afghan taliban will soon be the Afghan Army....

Do u remember I-10 islamabad was once mini Afghan. Where 9 out 10 persons afghani.
You feed their kids to please God.
Then those kids will hurt you as grown up men.
What productive Afghanis have done for us. Most of Bat $hit comes from there. & those refugees they give shelter to those radicals who bomb our country. Supply weapons n drugs.
I think fencing on afghan border is to be completed.
We shud mind our business instead doing Zakat to Afghanis.
There is alot of poverty within pakistan.
& Charity begins @ home.

To be on topic.
These tribes can never make peace together. Vigilantism was part of afghan history and it will continue its course the same.
We are guilty of using Proxies....which was neccesary for our survival because our enemies were at it too.....Now the thing with proxies is that sometimes you can sometimes not diffrentiate between the wheat and the chaff....
 
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