Afghan ambassador recovered

[Zero Bravo]

Two wrongs do not make a right.

lolz, that was just out of sarcasm. I dont really want to pierce ones head with my favorite sniper.

 

[Neo]

I am starting to believe the Pakistani brothers do have racist airheads among them.

I wish I could eliminate them;

We're no racist people but you have to understand the impact of harboring almost 4 million Afghan refugees on our economy and society and what we got in return.

If I had the choice to do it over again I for sure would have done things diffently.

 

[muse]

Zero Bravo - please don't forget the half that were Afghans - and please don't forget who the was backing the NA -- it helps to keep thing in context.

Pakistan did not support Taliban because some wild dog bit them, every thing has a context and when some assert propositions as if it does not have a context, they misrepresent - I am sure that is not what you wanted to do.

 

[Pk_Thunder]

Can you please evaluate how the Afghans 'shattered your social fabric' and destroyed the peace in your country?

The Taleban (half of them Arabs, Pakistanis, Chechen, and other foreigners) were backed and equipped by Pakistan Military Inter-Service Intelligence to fight the Afghans (Northern Alliance) and make a secure environment for Pakistani government where he can impose its policies over Afghans.

Dont you think this is and was an obvious interference in Afghanistan?

btw, before throwing garbage on others, you must have a look of your own deeds. I wish we Afghans could have as 'independent' president as Asif Alif Zardari and as 'independent' country as Pakistan. We are fed up with our 'puppet' head of state.

P.S; I hope I dont get racist responses. Lets just take a side of truth. Apart of dirty politics, Afghans and Pakistanis are brothers. Cheers!

Its good to have someone from afghanistan i welcome u on the forum and yes there are many reasons of how afghans shattered our society but let me put it simple for u.can u tell me how many afghans were poured into pakistan during the soviet war?????
zero bravo,we have our own culture and tradition different from afghans, now don't u think someone coming from outside with different culture and identity and start living with u doesnt disturb u?plus the burden our economy faced.Also there are evidences of afghans involvement in suicide bombings carried out in pakistan.i hope u dont find this a racist response instead accept the reality


And i hope u also have an independent president and a country as well

 

[Awesome]

Its another episode of classical Chinese and Polish opera soup.

What do you think Asim Aqil bro?


*Sarcasm*

We've got excellent relations with the Chinese government. The Chinese haven't called for attacks on Pakistan and have stood by us. They haven't used every other excuse to align with our enemies and provide their terrorists sanctuaries to bomb Pakistan every other day in the form of consulates.

The current Afghan government is up to no good, and I have no reason to believe that its Ambassador to Pakistan is either.

Racism is the nicest way to describe problems between the Pak and Afghan governments. There can be no brotherly relations any more till your government decides to end its support to Indian forces.

 

[muse]

Zero Bravo

What do you think of the Karzai government, the US and NATO forces in Afghanistan?

Do you think, US in particular, thinks of the NA as a favorite?

 

[Awesome]

The Taleban (half of them Arabs, Pakistanis, Chechen, and other foreigners) were backed and equipped by Pakistan Military Inter-Service Intelligence to fight the Afghans (Northern Alliance) and make a secure environment for Pakistani government where he can impose its policies over Afghans.

But c'mon you have to admit that the Taliban were at the end of the day Pashtun, a RACE shared by your country as well. They were your people. They welcomed our backing and gave us support in return. They stopped attacking Pakistan in return. They didn't allow any Indian sanctuaries to grow in Afghanistan.

On the other side, the other guys were attacking us, heck when the other guys were in control our airforces had fought each others off, when the other guys were in control they fired SCUD missiles into Pakistan. The other guys were very bad for Pakistan. Why should we not support their enemy?

Dont you think this is and was an obvious interference in Afghanistan?

Again, it was an interference by invitation from Afghanis.

btw, before throwing garbage on others, you must have a look of your own deeds. I wish we Afghans could have as 'independent' president as Asif Alif Zardari and as 'independent' country as Pakistan. We are fed up with our 'puppet' head of state.

you're getting sarcastic with your own sarcasm?

P.S; I hope I dont get racist responses. Lets just take a side of truth. Apart of dirty politics, Afghans and Pakistanis are brothers. Cheers!

Nobody IS being racist, just putting our own national interests first.

Pakistan houses millions of hazaras as well. Many of them have been granted Pak nationality! Can't we hate your government without hating you?

 

[Spring Onion]

Can you please evaluate how the Afghans 'shattered your social fabric' and destroyed the peace in your country?:

Well let us put it aside as im from NWFP and no one can know more than me how our social fabric has been shattered badly by influx of millions of refugees party due to our own will to properly measure and make laws to limit them to certain areas instead of having them as far as remote villages of Punjab. Even today Afghans are in all cornors of Pakistan.

But lets put it aside it has to be happend as we were sheltering the world bigest refugees hence we have to face economic as well as social problems.
Presenc of Pashun refugee bretherns affected us economicaly badly whereas presence of those from North specialy women (although they were and are in very small numbers) have affected us socialy leading to flurishing sex industry in NWFP.

The Taleban (half of them Arabs, Pakistanis, Chechen, and other foreigners) were backed and equipped by Pakistan Military Inter-Service Intelligence to fight the Afghans (Northern Alliance) and make a secure environment for Pakistani government where he can impose its policies over Afghans.
Dont you think this is and was an obvious interference in Afghanistan?:

Taliban are in millions, arab, Chechen and others hardly comprise few thousands even if one lakh, it does not make Taliabn and foreign phenomenon.

While on the other hand you completly forget to mention who had backed rather who are backing Northern Alliance for fighting against own Afghans.
Dont you think so that is also and obvious ineterference in Afghanistan???

Now one more thing do you think Taliban are not Afghans?? You will oppose them and abuse them just beacuse they are against stooges of US i.e warlords and drug dealers from NA.

You will welcome US invasion as non-Interference in Afghanistan???

Above all If India is shelttered by Karzai Afghan government for carrying out terrorism in Pakistan and if India is allowed by Karzai Afghans (idont use word Afghans as i dont consider the supporters of Karzai and his govt as Afghans) to land Indian army in Afghanistan to protect RAW assests well then Pakistan has every right to interfere there.

btw, before throwing garbage on others, you must have a look of your own deeds. I wish we Afghans could have as 'independent' president as Asif Alif Zardari and as 'independent' country as Pakistan. We are fed up with our 'puppet' head of state.
P.S; I hope I dont get racist responses. Lets just take a side of truth. Apart of dirty politics, Afghans and Pakistanis are brothers. Cheers!

Indeed we are brothers but Afghans and Pakistanis not the people of Karzai they are not even Afghans.

The difference between your puppets and our puppets is although we have Zardari who is equalent to Karzai but we still have an independent Army, we still have some people who can pull our puppet down as soon as they become major threat to Pakistan's integrety

 

[third eye]

The difference between your puppets and our puppets is although we have Zardari who is equalent to Karzai but we still have an independent Army, we still have some people who can pull our puppet down as soon as they become major threat to Pakistan's integrety

Jana,

An independent army ?

I thought the Army took orders from the Govt as averred by you in numerous posts ?

Your comments amounts to approval of the intervention of the Army in political affairs & what the world apprehends the most .

 

[Zero Bravo]

We're no racist people but you have to understand the impact of harboring almost 4 million Afghan refugees on our economy and society and what we got in return.

If I had the choice to do it over again I for sure would have done things diffently.

For your information, Pakistan has received billions of dollars from the US to feed the Afghan refugees in Pakistan, since the Russian invasion. One out of five dollars have reached the poor Afghans and the rest has gone to Pak politician's swiz bank accounts.

"Pakistan has grown up on US aids apparently coming for Afghan refugees in Pakistan". Ex-ISI head, General Hameed Gul once admit it on GEO TV.

Afghans have been paying the bill for almost three decades. They are not just unwanted parasites.

 

[Zero Bravo]

The difference between your puppets and our puppets is although we have Zardari who is equalent to Karzai but we still have an independent Army, we still have some people who can pull our puppet down as soon as they become major threat to Pakistan's integrety

Jana,

An independent army ?

I thought the Army took orders from the Govt as averred by you in numerous posts ?

Your comments amounts to approval of the intervention of the Army in political affairs & what the world apprehends the most .

Thanks, at least someone backs me in this forum.

btw, thats why most Afghans prefer Indians.

 

[Awesome]

For your information, Pakistan has received billions of dollars from the US to feed the Afghan refugees in Pakistan, since the Russian invasion. One out of five dollars have reached the poor Afghans and the rest has gone to Pak politician's swiz bank accounts.

"Pakistan has grown up on US aids apparently coming for Afghan refugees in Pakistan". Ex-ISI head, General Hameed Gul once admit it on GEO TV.

Who're you kidding thinking any of that is enough?

Also how many of those Afghanis stay in the camps? Goto Karachi and you'll see the streets filled with Hazaras. They've taken up the poor man's jobs, their presence severely hurts the poor Pakistani. We would gladly not take those bits n pieces, those bread crumbs in exchange to send away ILLEGAL aliens out of our country.

They don't pay taxes, they don't have ID cards, they are untraceable when they commit crimes, they should be in those camps but what are they doing all the way in our cities?

Also since they are poor, and live in communities the crime rate amongst them has increased significantly. People in Pakistan are afraid of Hazaras as theft and robbery is expected from them. When Benazir was assassinated, and PPP people were rioting, it was them who were looting ATM machines.

You're welcome to come to Pakistan. But please get a visa, its easily granted to Afghanis, pay us the VISA fees, register yourself, pay taxes and live for the set quota of time that the government has allowed you to.

Afghans have been paying the bill for almost three decades. They are not just unwanted parasites.

I think you will find Pakistanis ready to raise up a general fund to get rid of the ILLEGAL aliens out of Pakistan. And this was just the Hazaras. The uzbeks, the tajiks are the prime leaders of all terrorist factions operating within out country.

 

[Awesome]

Thanks, at least someone backs me in this forum.

btw, thats why most Afghans prefer Indians.

OMG, He didn't back you!

He just criticized Pakistanis!

He criticized Pakistanis and you like him. Thats why we have a problem with "some Afghanis". You are so happy to see someone against Pakistanis that you mistook it for backing you up.

Thats twisted man.

 

[Zero Bravo]

Zero Bravo

What do you think of the Karzai government, the US and NATO forces in Afghanistan?

Do you think, US in particular, thinks of the NA as a favorite?

I must make a new thread in 'Members Introduction' where I could manifest my stances about the Afghan Government, ISAF, ANA and Taliban.

Well, US assume every single Afghan who doesn't fight the US troops, as their favorite. Its nothing all about Northern Alliance.

Moreover, You wont hear anything like Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, I hear this name only from Pakistanis. Believe me!

I am from Kandahar; a pashto speaking Afghan and an anti American, yet, I dont feel any social prejudice from your so called NA.

 

[Awesome]

I must make a new thread in 'Members Introduction' where I could manifest my stances about the Afghan Government, ISAF, ANA and Taliban.

Well, US assume every single Afghan who doesn't fight the US troops, as their favorite. Its nothing all about Northern Alliance.

Moreover, You wont hear anything like Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, I hear this name only from Pakistanis. Believe me!

I am from Kandahar; a pashto speaking Afghan and an anti American, yet, I dont feel any social prejudice from your so called NA.

I think, generally we're referring to non-Pashtuns.

We generally don't have any problems from Pashtun in Afghanistan, except if they are pissed off about us ditching the Taliban. The Pashtuns in Afghanistan will always have Pakistani support as they back Pakistan in return.

I'll quote something you've said:

Well, US assume every single Afghan who doesn't fight the US troops, as their favorite. Its nothing all about Northern Alliance.

It's the same for Pakistan. Whoever in Afghanistan that chooses to side with us, will become our friend. Who chooses to side with our enemies will become our enemy.

You know which side you have to pick and we'd be friends again.