Abandoning status as "Islamic Republic"

[Kompromat]

It is rather ironic you mention UAE, KSA and Qatar, who are infamous for using SLAVE labor from Nepal, India and our beloved Pakistan. There no especial standard of living in these countries at all. China is prospering too, but not many want to settle in a middle class lifestlye there. Don't even think about comparing the EU with Pakistan.

A: A labor that is paid is not slave labor.

B: You present Europe as the beacon of human rights. A land where 40+ million people were butchered in the name of race in last 100 years alone including millions of Jews who were gased.

 

[Jungibaaz]

World's richest state in terms of Per Capita Income is Qatar and is very much a religious state. States like UAE, KSA, Brunei have state religions are not only growing and prospering but competing with the rest of the world on HDI index rather favorably. Israel has the highest PhD rate per capita in the world and is a Jewish state. Germany and UK too have no strict segregation laws and are doing just fine. The argument that secularism brings prosperity is simply bogus.

Prosperity is a product of good governance, rule of law, availability of justice, fiscal discipline, education and ability to defend the country. I can list a number of secular states which have totally failed or even worse collapsed, one of them was USSR.

Pakistanis have to find what suits them.

In terms of the structure of their governance, societal norms, a specific 'ballpark' political ideology that is agreeable with most, from which most can derive stability and prosperity, are we capitalists? socialists, libertarians? etc. The role of religion is another key issue, clearly the status quo is not sustainable.

I do agree that Pakistan's underlying problems are far more complex than just, religious fundamentalism on it's own. but it's certainly a factor, the role given to religion in Pakistan currently, in my view is insane.

Religion is used like a dirty rag, cleaning cloth to cover wash away the blood caused by the war. It is used for personal and political gains, our community leaders are daft and despicable individuals. Anyone with a beard, a mosque and community behind him and a few memorized lines can gather followers to join at any cause.

I've seen secularism, both in the UK where it's in good balance, in places Switzerland, Scandinavia where it's a strong societal feature. Maybe we don't need to be like them, but we sure could learn a few things from them.

Anyway, it's 3 am here, I'll see where this thread gets to tomorrow.

 

[Kompromat]

There goes me recognizing your personal attacks after failure to address my points. Either address them or accept defeat.

I accept defeat, your cyber ranting skills triumphed!

 

[Ussaid]

A: A labor that is paid is not slave labor.

Ofc it is not slave labor when they take your passports away, make you work in exhausting conditions and extreme heat just so you can have a meal. I don't know what demented world you live in.

B: You present Europe as the beacon of human rights. A land where 40+ million people were butchered in the name of race in last 100 years alone including millions of Jews who were gased.

i presented jack ****. I said just don't compare EU's freedom to Pakistan's.

 

[Kompromat]

Pakistanis have to find what suits them.

In terms of the structure of their governance, societal norms, a specific 'ballpark' political ideology that is agreeable with most, from which most can derive stability and prosperity, are we capitalists? socialists, libertarians? etc. The role of religion is another key issue, clearly the status quo is not sustainable.

I do agree that Pakistan's underlying problems are far more complex than just, religious fundamentalism on it's own. but it's certainly a factor, the role given to religion in Pakistan currently, in my view is insane.

Religion is used like a dirty rag, cleaning cloth to cover wash away the blood caused by the war. It is used for personal and political gains, our community leaders are daft and despicable individuals. Anyone with a beard, a mosque and community behind him and a few memorized lines can gather followers to join at any cause.

I've seen secularism, both in the UK where it's in good balance, in places Switzerland, Scandinavia where it's a strong societal feature. Maybe we don't need to be like them, but we sure could learn a few things from them.

Anyway, it's 3 am here, I'll see where this thread gets to tomorrow.

.....all of those states took hundreds of years of institutional evolution.

Ofc it is not slave labor when they take your passports away, make you work in exhausting conditions and extreme heat just so you can have a meal. I don't know what demented world you live in.

The laborers always could pack up and go home.

i presented jack ****. I said just don't compare EU's freedom to Pakistan's.

Yes you have freedoms in EU more than Pakistan if you belong to the right skin color and ethnicity.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Vast majority of Pakistan support Islamic Republic.The country has always had Muslim parties now militant Islamic groups too and all support the Islamic Republic. Only the ultra liberal secular miniscule minority support such ideas. I think there will only be a blowback resulting in more Islamic laws in Pakistan.

 

[Ussaid]

.....all of those states took hundreds of years of institutional evolution.



The laborers always could pack up and go home.



Yes you have freedoms in EU more than Pakistan if you belong to the right skin color and ethnicity.

A: Look up Slave Labor in Qatar.

B: That doesn't count for Germany, Britain, Scandinavia, France, Spain among others.

Vast majority of Pakistan support Islamic Republic.The country has always had Muslim parties now militant Islamic groups too and all support the Islamic Republic. Only the ultra liberal secular miniscule minority support such ideas. I think there will only be a blowback resulting in more Islamic laws in Pakistan.

Then the future looks bleak

 

[Kompromat]

A: Look up Slave Labor in Qatar.

I already did. They are taking care of their labor just fine. Whoever is unhappy can go home. Capiche?

B: That doesn't count for Germany, Britain, Scandinavia, France, Spain among others.

So you mean countries that were involved in an illegal war in Iraq didn't violate any human rights? - Not to forget that all but few of them have genocides under their belt!

Then the future looks bleak

You are no body to predict the 'future' merely based on your poorly constructed myth you call an opinion.

Vast majority of Pakistan support Islamic Republic.The country has always had Muslim parties now militant Islamic groups too and all support the Islamic Republic. Only the ultra liberal secular miniscule minority support such ideas. I think there will only be a blowback resulting in more Islamic laws in Pakistan.

Pakistan needs to create its own solution. Secularism is a farce and it doesn't mean prosperity. What we need at this hour is to safeguard the country from both religious nutbags and libtarded leftists. Both of them tend to have a version of reality which is obliviously discrediting of the majority opinion. Both of them live in a self inflicted delusion of being right while everyone who tends to disagree with their narrative is a crazy conspiracy theorist.

 

[Ussaid]

I already did. They are taking care of their labor just fine. Whoever is unhappy can go home. Capiche?



So you mean countries that were involved in an illegal war in Iraq didn't violate any human rights? - Not to forget that all but few of them have genocides under their belt!



You are no body to predict the 'future' merely based on your poorly constructed myth you call an opinion.

B:Good thing Pakistan has a clean state with only the genocide of a few million Bengalis. But please, go ahead and pick up decades, if not centuries, old wars that had been beaten to death by anti-westerners like you.

A:Go the the guardian and read the article, "
Revealed: Qatar's World Cup 'slaves'" because I can't send you the link due to the forum.

C: It is called an "O-P-I-N-I-O-N" for a reason. Apparently expressing it is haram and I should be stoned, because screw my advance education!

 

[VelocuR]

Islamic Republic is not problem but we seriously need to pay attention, problem is education, weak government, unregistered madrassas, and rich-poor gaps.

 

[Ussaid]

Islamic Republic is not problem but we seriously need to pay attention, problem is education, weak government, unregistered madrassas, and rich-poor gaps.

It is a strong factor, as it is a metaphor of molvi's and maulana's influence on the nation.

 

[syedali73]

Pakistan needs to create its own solution. Secularism is a farce and it doesn't mean prosperity. What we need at this hour is to safeguard the country from both religious nutbags and libtarded leftists. Both of them tend to have a version of reality which is obliviously discrediting of the majority opinion. Both of them live in a self inflicted delusion of being right while everyone who tends to disagree with their narrative is a crazy conspiracy theorist.

Nothing better can sum up our problems and their solution.

 

[Kompromat]

B:Good thing Pakistan has a clean state with only the genocide of a few million Bengalis.

No such thing took place. Even the eminent Bangladeshi historians disagree with your self hating narrative.

But please, go ahead and pick up decades, if not centuries, old wars that had been beaten to death by anti-westerners like you

Come again. Me posting facts makes me anti westerner?

A:Go the the guardian and read the article, "
Revealed: Qatar's World Cup 'slaves'" because I can't send you the link due to the forum.

British media is against Qatari bid because they lost and Brits are sore losers. The propaganda is part of the campaign to force FIFA into reversing the decision.

C: It is called an "O-P-I-N-I-O-N" for a reason. Apparently expressing it is haram and I should be stoned, because screw my advance education!

I don't know about stoning but you certainly need a clinical psychologist.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Islamic Republic is not problem but we seriously need to pay attention, problem is education, weak government, unregistered madrassas, and rich-poor gaps.

Exactly ! We need economic development, schools and everybody to have stake in prosperity of our country. We need social peace and foolish ideas of dropping Islamic from our name will only create more problems.

 

[VelocuR]

It is a strong factor, as it is a metaphor of molvi's and maulana's influence on the nation.

Yeah, weak government for almost 30+ years, that's main reason, people were fooled by the lack of high standard education. How long? It would be probably take 200 years to get better or act now.