AAP earns BJP ‘D team’ tag

[Naofumi]

riends and foes have roasted Delhi’s ruling Aam Aadmi Party following the appointment of solicitor-general Tushar Mehta and four other police-recommended lawyers as special public prosecutors in the cases relating to the Delhi riots of February.

Delhi government standing counsel Rahul Mehra on Friday told Delhi High Court that state home minister Satyendar Jain had approved the appointments of Mehta, additional solicitors-general Maninder Acharya and Aman Lekhi (husband of BJP parliamentarian Meenakshi Lekhi), the Centre’s senior standing counsel Amit Mahajan, and Rajat Nair.

Critics have underlined many of these lawyers’ proximity to the ruling establishment at the Centre — Mehta had actually prevented certain BJP politicians being booked in riot cases — and scoffed at earlier claims that the AAP government was being forced against its will to appoint Mehta.

“AAP = BJP is official now,” Congress leader Ajay Maken tweeted. “Uploaded Delhi HC orders at two places have clearly mentioned Kejriwal Govt Minister approval of Tushar Mehta and Aman Lekhi (husband of @M_Lekhi) to represent in Delhi HC in Delhi riots case! Saiyaan bhaye kotwal, ab darr kahe ka (Why fear when the sheriff is your beloved).”

“Delhi aap govt is shameless d team of bjp,” sociologist Nandini Sundar tweeted.

The controversy comes at a time chief minister Arvind Kejriwal — once among the staunchest critics of Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his ideology — is being increasingly seen as adopting positions close to the BJP’s.

Kejriwal had reinvented himself as a benevolent Hindu leader ahead of the February Assembly polls, reciting the Hanuman Chalisa on TV and steering clear of the protests against the new citizenship regime. His government had largely remained a bystander during the February riots that killed 53. When the lockdown threw lakhs of day labourers out of work, not once did Kejriwal attack the Centre.

In February, however, the AAP had demanded the arrest of BJP politician Kapil Mishra, who had delivered a provocative speech just before the rioting began. Mehta, representing the police during the riots, had successfully argued against the filing of FIRs against Mishra and other BJP leaders, who have not been booked till date.

The subject of the appointment of the riot prosecutors came up while the high court was hearing a habeas corpus plea moved by the brother of feminist student activist Gulfisha Fatima.

Fatima as been in jail since April for a sit-in against the new citizenship matrix in Delhi on February 22. She has since been charged also with acts of terrorism and incitement of the riots. Several other student activists are in custody on similar charges.

The high court had recorded the lack of clarity on who would represent the police in the habeas corpus case — the Delhi government or the Centre, to whom the police report. To this the police said that prosecutors had already been selected for the riot cases, and they would represent the force in this case too.

Earlier, some media outlets had quoted Delhi government sources as saying that lieutenant governor Anil Baijal was pressuring the state administration to approve the police’s selection of prosecutors. Home minister Jain had indeed rejected the police’s panel last month and sought a new one, setting off a tussle with Baijal over his powers.But in the court on Friday, Mehra, the Delhi government’s standing counsel, said Jain had approved all the appointments on May 28.

Delhi aap govt is shameless d team of bjp,” sociologist Nandini Sundar tweeted. (Twitter/@nandinisundar)
AAP renegade and Swaraj India leader Yogendra Yadav has taken a dig at the earlier news reports that claimed Baijal had forced the Kejriwal government’s hand.

“The HC order conclusively nails the lie of @ArvindKejriwal govt that appointment of Tushar Mehta was made against its will,” he tweeted.

“Read: Delhi Govt asserts that its right to appoint counsel, says Satender Jain has issued these orders, centre accepts it, court thanks both for cooperating.”

The Telegraph has so far received no response to queries sent to an aide to the chief minister via WhatsApp on whether the Delhi government agreed with the choice of prosecutors and, if yes, whether the police had made any changes to the original panel suggested in April.Silence from the AAP leadership has prompted soul-searching by its friends.

Author Krishan Pratap Singh tweeted: “Let snr AAP leadership publicly & officially confirm the govt & party position about the appointment of public prosecutors, like they used to do multiple times a day. Sources whispering to the media (are) not to be taken seriously, no matter the headlines they are apt to generate.”

Many of the AAP’s friends were already aghast when Kejriwal, after his February re-election, sanctioned the prosecution of CPI leader Kanhaiya Kumar and other JNU ex-students on sedition charges.

This despite his own government’s probe having found no evidence of the accused chanting provocative slogans in 2016, as alleged, and instead saying the purported video evidence against them had been doctored.
https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/aap-earns-bjp-d-team-tag/cid/1777419

 

[Naofumi]

@jamahir, so much direct democracy.

 

[jamahir]

@jamahir, so much direct democracy.

If a group's leaders are going against its own progressive ideas, blame the leaders and not the ideas.

In my posts I have also mentioned the Swaraj Abhiyan movement which your OP also mentions. The Swaraj Abhiyan shares the same ideology ( Swaraj ) as the AAP but the SA cut away from AAP because SA felt the AAP was going away from the base ideology.

In your OP look at what SA's leader Yogendra Yadav said.

 

[Naofumi]

If a group's leaders are going against its own progressive ideas, blame the leaders and not the ideas.

In my posts I have also mentioned the Swaraj Abhiyan movement which your OP also mentions. The Swaraj Abhiyan shares the same ideology ( Swaraj ) as the AAP but the SA cut away from AAP because SA felt the AAP was going away from the base ideology.

In your OP look at what SA's leader Yogendra Yadav said.

Ideologies are a façade to hide the realpolitik behind your policies, that's the way world was and will be forever.

 

[jamahir]

Ideologies are a façade to hide the realpolitik behind your policies, that's the way world was and will be forever.

Sorry but you are being a defeatist.

Idealism and the romanticism of revolutionary change is what the world progresses with. Even Elon Musk is an example of this.

 

[Naofumi]

Sorry but you are being a defeatist.

Idealism and the romanticism of revolutionary change is what the world progresses with. Even Elon Musk is an example of this.

Elon Musk is not a political commentator, sociologist, anthropologist etc so that we should take his opinion seriously.

 

[jamahir]

Elon Musk is not a political commentator, sociologist, anthropologist etc so that we should take his opinion seriously.

1. He is one of the people who will change the future of humanity.

2. He has called for direct democracy in near-future Mars settlements. Read my thread on this here. It has a vid.

 

[Naofumi]

1. He is one of the people who will change the future of humanity.

LOL, no. It's not that simple, we don't even know when we will reach mars. A conservative guesstimate would run in trillion of Dollars, we are at least a century away from that - Musk will be long dead by then. Also, it doesn't make him an authority of any kind on any subject except on those he has degrees in.

2. He has called for direct democracy on near-future Mars settlements. Read my thread on this here. It has a vid.

I don't see where he mentioned Gaddafi?

 

[Chhatrapati]

Go to the North East, you will find the rest of the alphabets in the team. The real question is what did Kejriwal's early debacle got him or others? AAP has almost zero influence outside Delhi, if you want the party to grow, hoping for the left to help you out, who are already in tatters is not going to work. It's better to stay quiet and let the BJP pass, win local elections, and establish a base. Then branch out slowly.

 

[jamahir]

LOL, no. It's not that simple, we don't even know when we will reach mars. A conservative guesstimate would run in trillion of Dollars, we are at least a century away from that - Musk will be long dead by then.

You should read the sci-fi book Red Mars written in 1992. It was called by serious people the textbook for travel to Mars and settlement, using technology available back then.

About now, please read up on Mars 500 program ( a Russia-China program to evaluate the psychological effects of travel to Mars and the stay there ), the SpaceX Starship and the Mars One program ( which spoke of Mars settlement by the mid 2030s ).

And listen to these interviews of some short-listed people for Mars One. Listen especially to the long interview at the start of the page.

Also, it doesn't make him an authority of any kind on any subject except on those he has degrees on.

Degrees don't mean much in most parts of the world. They are overly respected in India. If degrees meant intelligence then the 200,000+ computer science graduates flooding out of Indian colleges every year would have achieved something, instead of being the drones they are.

I don't see where he mentioned Gaddafi?

Direct democracy is also present in Switzerland which is not a socialist country. But I suppose when we reach Mars, socialism would be automatically adopted ( along with direct democracy ) as it would be a natural choice for an evolved settlement. The book I mentioned, Red Mars, also have a socialist theme without an explicit mention of it.

 

[Naofumi]

You should read the sci-fi book Red Mars written in 1992. It was called by serious people the textbook for travel to Mars and settlement, using technology available back then.

About now, please read up on Mars 500 program ( a Russia-China program to evaluate the psychological effects of travel to Mars and the stay there ), the SpaceX Starship and the Mars One program ( which spoke of Mars settlement by the mid 2030s ).

And listen to these interviews of some short-listed people for Mars One. Listen especially to the long interview at the start of the page.

Ugghhh, how does that change the fact that a insane amount of wealth is required to settle on Mars? Do you have a credible link for a serious guesstimate and from where that money will come?

Degrees don't mean much in most parts of the world. They are overly respected in India. If degrees meant intelligence then the 200,000+ computer science graduates flooding out of Indian colleges every year would have achieved something, instead of being the drones they are.

Nope. They are respected all over the world, Sundar Pichai, Larry Page and even Elon Musk have top-class degrees. Forget degrees, getting admission into top-class universities proves your worth. Also, what Musk has ever done anything of politics to be taken seriously? Ran a city? Ran a Municipality?

Direct democracy is also present in Switzerland which is not a socialist country. But I suppose when we reach Mars, socialism would be automatically adopted ( along with direct democracy ) as it would be a natural choice for an evolved settlement. The book I mentioned, Red Mars, also have a socialist theme without an explicit mention of it.

That's my point - the term can contain very very different systems and your preference and a 1992 book (which don't even directly mentions it, LOL) can't predict future to be socialistic.

 

[jamahir]

Ugghhh, how does that change the fact that a insane amount of wealth is required to settle on Mars? Do you have a credible link for a serious guesstimate and from where that money will come?

It is not, as you said, the need for trillions of dollars to achieve a Mars settlement but more of political will. I quote the Wikipedia page for the USSR program called TMK which was a Mars-Venus flyby mission :

TMK (Russian: Тяжелый Межпланетный Корабль - Tyazhely Mezhplanetny Korabl or Heavy Interplanetary Spacecraft) was the designation of a Soviet space exploration project to send a crewed flight to Mars and Venus (TMK-MAVR design) without landing.

The TMK-1 spacecraft was due to be launched in 1971 and make a three-year-long flight including a Mars flyby, at which time probes would have been dropped. Expanded project variations, such as the TMK-E, Mavr or KK, including a Venus flyby, electric propulsion or a crewed Mars landing were also proposed.

The TMK project was planned as a response to the United States' crewed Moon landings. An earlier Martian Piloted Complex mission was proposed in 1956. The project was never completed because the required N1 rocket never flew successfully.

The first flight to Mars of the TMK-1 was planned to begin on June 8, 1971.

The 75 metric ton TMK-1 spacecraft would take a crew of three on a Mars flyby mission. After a 10½ month flight the crew would race past Mars, dropping remote-controlled landers, and then be flung into an Earth-return trajectory. Earth return would happen on July 10, 1974, after a voyage of three years, one month, and two days.

Spacecraft configuration:

• A habitation or pilot compartment, with an internal volume of 25 cubic meters
• A work or equipment section, including the hatch for extra-vehicular activities and a solar storm shelter should solar flares increase radiation to dangerous levels. Total volume of the section would be 25 cubic meters
• A biological systems compartment, with the SOZh closed-cycle environmental control system, with a total volume of 75 cubic meters
• An aggregate section, with the Mars probe capsules, the KDU midcourse correction engine, the SOZh solar concentrator and solar panels, and radio antennas
• The SA crew Earth reentry capsule, about 4 m in diameter.

The below is a USSR program for a short-stay mission for Mars :

In 1966, a final version of the TMK studies was known as KK - Space Complex for Delivering a Piloted Expedition to Mars. Nuclear electric propulsion was to be used for the 630-day mission. The craft structure consisted of:

• EK - Expeditionary spacecraft: command center for piloting in interplanetary space
• OK - Orbital Complex: living and work compartments and the life support systems
• SA - The Landing Module, AV - The Ascent Module and RV - The Ascent Rocket stage
• PS - The Planetary Station: used by the expedition on the Martian surface for life support and scientific research

The launch was planned for 1980, with a crew of three cosmonauts. Mars stay duration would be 30 days.

Mission data:

• Total Payload Required in Low Earth Orbit-metric tons: 150
• Total Propellant Required-metric tons: 24
• Number of Launches Required to Assemble Payload in Low Earth Orbit: 2
• Launch Vehicle: N1

Nope. They are respected all over the world

Name me an Indian-designed microprocessor and operating system.

and even Elon Musk have top-class degrees

Musk dropped out of Stanford University two days after joining.

And by the way, there are so many IIT graduates. What exactly is their contribution to the world ?

N.R.Narayana Murthy also has questioned this :

On the other hand, let us pause and ask what the contributions of Indian institutions of higher learning particularly IISc and IITs, have been over the last 60-plus years to make our society and the world a better place. Is there one invention from India that has become a household name in the globe? Is there one technology that has transformed the productivity of global corporations? Is there one idea that has led to an earth-shaking invention to delight global citizens? Folks, the reality is that there is no such contribution from India in the last 60 years. The only two ideas that have transformed the productivity of global corporations – The Global Delivery Model and The 24-hour workday – came from a company called Infosys.

Yet, let us look at the problems that surround us here in India. We have the largest mass of illiterates in the world. We have the largest number of children with malnutrition. We have the poorest public health service in the world. We have the dirtiest rivers in the world. Our vehicles produce he highest carbon per vehicle in the world. We have the lowest per-capita usable water in the world. Our primary education is one of the lowest quality in the world. I can go on and on. The important thing is to recognise that this country has no shortage of problems to be solved urgently.

What is our hope? Our best hopes are youngsters like you. I do not find any difference in intellect, enthusiasm, energy and confidence between the young students at Western universities and here at IISc. Yet, when our students leave the portals of these institutions, there ls not much impactful work they have accomplished in research here. What is worse is that there ls not much that they accomplish when they go into the real world here in India. This is an issue that the elders of our society – academicians, politicians, bureaucrats and corporate leaders – must debate deeply, and act urgently if we have to leave a better world for our children and grandchildren.

Read the full speech.

Also, what Musk has ever done anything of politics to be taken seriously? Ran a city? Ran a Municipality?

So you don't believe in innovation ? Something that comes newly and replaces the old ? Being a Muslim yourself I find your question strange.

And do you think those experienced in running Indian cities have been doing a world-class job ?

That's my point - the term can contain very very different systems and your preference and a 1992 book (which don't even directly mentions it, LOL) can't predict future to be socialistic.

Socialism is the natural choice of any enlightened society. Even some Western countries are socialistic.

Unless of course you believe in the arguments of some of our PDF members like Soumitra who want to do cost-benefit analysis before helping the poor.

 

[Naofumi]

It is not, as you said, the need for trillions of dollars to achieve a Mars settlement but more of a political will. I quote the Wikipedia page for the USSR program called TMK which was a Mars-Venus flyby mission :

What is the cost then? If it is green signalled now, what will be the cost? Whatever you quote was/is not a full-fledged settlement program and none of them even completed.

Name me an Indian-designed microprocessor and operating system.

LOL, you're so repetitive, it has more to do with the demand and supply of capitalist competition, even if we build a new one now, no one will use it all of the hard work will go to waste. And let me counter-question - Name a non-American (preferably non-white) microprocessor and OS.

And by the way, there are so many IIT graduates. What exactly is their contribution to the world ?

N.R.Narayana Murthy also has questioned this :

There are shortcomings but better than ghutka chewing illiterates, if you want to know what IITians achieved
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Bombay_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Kanpur_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Madras_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Institute_of_Technology,_Kharagpur_alumni
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Delhi_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Roorkee_people

Let me present an alternate view. The question posed is "What has IITs achieved for India"? Although, I would have refrained myself from answering such a question, but being a grad from IIT, I feel a bit obliged to defend its legacy.

The questioner seems to be biased towards an opinion before even considering the possibilites, so to start with I will just pose some links that will show, "How IITs are helping India". I urge you to take some time and go over the links.
Using nano material to make water safe
IIT graduate transforming cotton farmers' life in Gandhi's Gujarat
How making low cost OLED screens have become a top priority for researchers in India - The Economic Times
‘Smartcanes’ made by IIT-Delhi team to help 60 blind students in city
Come Saturday, IIT-Delhi will show how cheap tech can simplify lives - The Times of India
Govt looks for safe e-rickshaw design
IIT Madras - Development of Gopalpur Port into an All...

These are just few of links that suggest the work done by IITM and IITD. Maybe you can spare some time and look at the work done by IITB, IITK, IITR, IITG and IITKgp.
Also, most of the people may not be knowing that to promote education, IIT Madras facilitates school visits, so that young minds can interact with IIT students at different labs. I believe same must be true for other sister IITs.

Now, before answering the question "what has IIT done for India", let us take out some time and try to ruminate over following facts:
1) Are you comparing IITs with prestigious US universities ? If so, then do you realize the discrepancy in comparison of a system that is nearly 150 years old (MIT, UC Berkeley, Stanford) or a system more than 300 years old (Hardvard, Oxford, Cambridge), with a system that has just crossed its 50th foundation day (IITM, IITB). Each system requires some time to grow and reach a pinnacle.

2) Do you realize the funding structure ? Just a simple example to help my cause. At, IITM I was receiving a stipend of Rs 8000 (now it is Rs 12400). Soon, I will be pursuing my PhD in US, and my stipend will be a dream for an Indian scholar. This is just the student funding. What most of us fail to recognize is the professor funding. Most of the professors in USA are so self reliant that they fund their students, while at India, professors depend on the government. Yes, nowdays a change of scenario is occuring at top multinationals are funding the professors, but this sum is a meagre in front of their counterparts in US. This same funding is required for buying laboratory equipments, to run simulations, to fetch data sets and so on.

3) Are you aware of the exchange programs and conference structure in India ? The lack of sufficient funds is one of the prime reasons for the lack of student exposure. In US, students attend national and international conference, just for exposure. Try doing that frequently at IIT. Still, IITs are trying to expose their research scholars to the conferences and exchange programs, yet it is an out-of-bounds comparison.

4) "The elusive term research". Though this term feels pleasant to our senses, yet most of us do not realize what is its meaning. Let me put a harsh fact straight -- 95% of the Indians have not done any original research. It is easier to talk about research than actually doing research. Research does not mean to produce a new product or invent a new formula, each day. It means persevarance and determination, over a defined problem. Research does not occur in a single day. It takes months and years of hardwork. No research is small or big. Ask the guys who have published papers in the prestigious conferences and journals. They will enlighten us on "what is research"?

I believe people tend to forget that a computer or laptop, was not designed in a single day. There are thousands of protocols that determine its functioning. Everyday some new research insight tries to improve its functionality. The same laws apply to every man made object. As far as IITs are concerned, please take out some time and see the research publication at IITs. We are progressing at a fast rate. IITs are producing world standard research papers, which are presented at top tier conferences. IITs are assisting DRDO and ISRO in their funded research projects. We are developing software and machines for them. Joining ISRO and DRDO does not only mean to work for the nation. People need to take some time out and check the collaboration by IITs with these Indian organizations.

Also, IITs are one of the reason for changing face of Indian education. I have visited a series of conferences, and believe me, presence of IIT tag has provided recognition to the importance of Indian education. It is this IIT culture that has generated the startup phenomena in India. Startups are not only facilitating the common Indian, but also generating jobs and revenue for the Indian economy.

Finally, I would like to add a simple insight from the movie "matrix". Man always has two choices. He chooses the one which suits him. You will find a good set of IITians that will say, nothing great is about IIT, maybe because they could not extract the best out of IIT. But, then there are others who will tell you the opportunites at IIT. Similarly, some people may crib about IITs, as they could not be a part of its family, but then you have others, who even though are not part of IIT, realize its importance and understand its need.

https://www.quora.com/What-have-IITs-achieved-for-India-in-terms-of-research/answer/Suyash-Gupta-19

So you don't believe in innovation ? Something that comes newly and replaces the old ? Being a Muslim yourself I find your question strange.

Everyone proved themselves before getting acceptance, innovation needs to be scrutinised and peer reviewed.

And do you think those experienced in running Indian cities have been doing a world-class job ?

What kind of whataboutery is this? When did I said that?

Socialism is the natural choice of any enlightened society. Even some Western countries are socialistic.

Unless of course you believe in the arguments of some of our PDF members like Soumitra who want to do cost-benefit analysis before helping the poor.

I argue for a balance, socialism kills and capitalism kills too. We need targeted policies for each context rather than ideologies.

 

[jamahir]

What is the cost then? If it is green signalled now, what will be the cost? Whatever you quote was/is not a full-fledged settlement program and none of them even completed.

The cost of a within-India manned Mars mission would be drastically lower than a comparable American mission. Because the human resource cost and some of the materials cost is low.

The cost of Mangalyaan, the ISRO's Mars orbital imaging mission, was 74 million dollars which is less than the per-seat 80 million dollars charge that the Russians were making to the Americans on the Russian Soyuz spacecraft. Also, ISRO is fond of that the Mangalyaan mission cost less than the making of the Hollywood film Gravity which cost about 100 million dollars.

So a Indian manned Mars mission is doable, given the political will, development of ambition, intellect and investment.

LOL, you're so repetitive, it has more to do with the demand and supply of capitalist competition, even if we build a new one now, no one will use it all of the hard work will go to waste.

Why can't it used within India ? Probably you don't know of the 'India Microprocessor Program' in which the GoI wants an indigenously developed microprocessor to become used in India's military, scientific and probably bureaucratic applications. This is a years-old program and the only result of this is from IIT Bombay and IIT Madras - two microprocessors that are called AJIT and Shakti, both of foreign design - the first based on the American SPARC and the second on the international RISC V.

And there is an operating system indigenous project from DRDO, eight years old, whose latest news is the same one I have been reading about from those many years :

According to the DRDO chief, 150 engineers were working across the country on creating Indian OS which will be ready in three years.

What have those one hundred and fifty engineers been doing ?

Let me inform you that I have been designing a microprocessor, by myself, for quite some years. It has taken time to simplify the design and other such things. This is why I keep berating the so-called computer engineers of India.

And let me counter-question - Name a non-American (preferably non-white) microprocessor and OS.

The Soviets had and now the modern Russia has the Elbrus system.

The Chinese have the Loongson, FeiTeng and Sunway processors but they are based on American design.

But why this point anyway ? Why shouldn't an Indian-designed system exist ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Bombay_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Kanpur_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Madras_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Institute_of_Technology,_Kharagpur_alumni
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Delhi_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Institute_of_Technology_Roorkee_people

Look, I have been a teacher in a computer institute that taught the computing course curriculum of one of the IITs. I will just say that the curriculum was good but I am talking about radical innovation.

Using nano material to make water safe
IIT graduate transforming cotton farmers' life in Gandhi's Gujarat
How making low cost OLED screens have become a top priority for researchers in India - The Economic Times
‘Smartcanes’ made by IIT-Delhi team to help 60 blind students in city
Come Saturday, IIT-Delhi will show how cheap tech can simplify lives - The Times of India
Govt looks for safe e-rickshaw design
IIT Madras - Development of Gopalpur Port into an All...

I read three of the articles. Good innovation. But about the OLED flexible screens, the article is from 2015. Where are the screens now in 2020 ? Please check for Chinese and South Korean innovation in this.

Your quoted points :

1) Are you comparing IITs with prestigious US universities ? If so, then do you realize the discrepancy in comparison of a system that is nearly 150 years old (MIT, UC Berkeley, Stanford) or a system more than 300 years old (Hardvard, Oxford, Cambridge), with a system that has just crossed its 50th foundation day (IITM, IITB). Each system requires some time to grow and reach a pinnacle.

Come on, that is a clear cop out.

Compare the number of years that SpaceX has been existent to that of ISRO - 18 years vs 68 years, respectively.

It is just a matter of will, ambition and intellect.

2) Do you realize the funding structure ? Just a simple example to help my cause. At, IITM I was receiving a stipend of Rs 8000 (now it is Rs 12400). Soon, I will be pursuing my PhD in US, and my stipend will be a dream for an Indian scholar. This is just the student funding. What most of us fail to recognize is the professor funding. Most of the professors in USA are so self reliant that they fund their students, while at India, professors depend on the government. Yes, nowdays a change of scenario is occuring at top multinationals are funding the professors, but this sum is a meagre in front of their counterparts in US. This same funding is required for buying laboratory equipments, to run simulations, to fetch data sets and so on.

Can't an IIT afford to purchase a FPGA board to simulate a new microprocessor design ? How did IIT Bombay and IIT Madras simulate their foreign-design processor builds ?

Brother, why are you being an ultra-nationalist ?

 

[Naofumi]

The cost of a within-India manned Mars mission would be drastically lower than a comparable American mission. Because the human resource cost and some of the materials cost is low.

The cost of Mangalyaan, the ISRO's Mars orbital imaging mission, was 74 million dollars which is less than the per-seat 80 million dollars charge that the Russians were making to the Americans on the Russian Soyuz spacecraft. Also, ISRO is fond of that the Mangalyaan mission cost less than the making of the Hollywood film Gravity which cost about 100 million dollars.

So a Indian manned Mars mission is doable, given the political will, development of ambition, intellect and investment.

Man, first time doing requires ridiculously high amount of money because everything had to be built from scratch, a lot of trial and error goes in, a lot of calculation, general principles being derived, a lot and lots of experiment. On second time, you can at least partially rely on that - that being an important reason of low cost of Indian mission, if we try to do something first time we have to shell trillions and trillions too.

Why can't it used within India ? Probably you don't know of the 'India Microprocessor Program' in which the GoI wants an indigenously developed microprocessor to become used in India's military, scientific and probably bureaucratic applications. This is a years-old program and the only result of this is from IIT Bombay and IIT Madras - two microprocessors that are called AJIT and Shakti, both of foreign design - the first based on the American SPARC and the second on the international RISC V.

And there is an operating system indigenous project from DRDO, eight years old, whose latest news is the same one I have been reading about from those many years :
What have those one hundred and fifty engineers been doing ?

Let me inform you that I have been designing a microprocessor, by myself, for quite some years. It has taken time to simplify the design and other such things. This is why I keep berating the so-called computer engineers of India.

The Soviets had and now the modern Russia has the Elbrus system.

The Chinese have the Loongson, FeiTeng and Sunway processors but they are based on American design.

But why this point anyway ? Why shouldn't an Indian-designed system exist ?

I hope you get the point, now. If not ask me again.

Compare the number of years that SpaceX has been existent to that of ISRO - 18 years vs 68 years, respectively.

Brother answer one question : Why SpaceX happened in Silicon Valley only? Why not in Cuba, Venezuela or even Capitalist countries like South Korea?

Can't an IIT afford to purchase a FPGA board to simulate a new microprocessor design ? How did IIT Bombay and IIT Madras simulate their foreign-design processor builds ?

Brother, why are you being an ultra-nationalist ?

Brother, Microprocessors are not going to give us money when the competition from other countries is high, it requires massive investment, even successful nations like China imports them. We will build them but there are more lucrative and urgent areas for job-growth.
And no, I am not being ultra-nationalist.