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Social cohesion excluding Muslims
Friday, August 01, 2008
By Inayat Bunglawala
Several UK newspapers on Sunday and Monday published alarmist stories based upon a new report entitled Islam on Campus by the Centre for Social Cohesion and a YouGov poll also commissioned by the CfSC. The website of the CfSC explains its purpose as trying to generate: new thinking that can help bring Britains ethnic and religious communities closer together while strengthening British traditions of openness, tolerance and democracy.
The headlines included A third of Muslim students back killings (Sunday Times), One third of British Muslim students say its acceptable to kill for Islam (London Evening Standard) and Killing for religion is justified, say third of Muslim students (Sunday Telegraph).
Now I have blogged previously on Cif about my misgivings concerning the findings of several agenda-driven outfits falsely posing as think tanks. And this particular case has proved to be no different. A look at the YouGov poll revealed that a far more ambiguous question was actually posed to the Muslim students who took part in the survey. The question was:
Is it ever justifiable to kill in the name of religion?
The responses were as follows:
Yes in order to preserve and promote that religion (4%)
Yes but only if that religion is under attack (28%)
No it is never justifiable (53%)
Not sure (15%)
Are the results really that surprising given that Yes, but only if that religion is under attack can bear so many different meanings?
The director of the Centre for Social Cohesion is an excitable chap called Douglas Murray. He wrote a book a couple of years back called Neo-conservatism: Why We Need It. More pertinent to this blog, he has publicly expressed views about Muslims that give us a better idea of what he understands by social cohesion.
In a February 2006 speech entitled What Are We To Do About Islam? delivered at the Pim Fortuyn Memorial Conference in The Hague, Murray asked:
Why is it that time and again the liberal west is crumpling before the violence, intimidation and thuggery of Islam?
Ah, those liberals, eh? So what did Murray propose to do then?
I promised to propose some of the solutions to this problem ...
Oh good, so lets hear your number one option.
All immigration into Europe from Muslim countries must stop.
Now were getting somewhere! Are all black people to be excluded too, or would advocating that position more obviously contravene our racial discrimination laws? Yes, I think it might, so perhaps it is best to stick to Muslims. Anything else you have in mind?
Conditions for Muslims in Europe must be made harder across the board: Europe must look like a less attractive proposition.
A prophet! You appear to have anticipated Martin Amiss outburst.
And of course it should go without saying that Muslims in Europe who for any reason take part in, plot, assist or condone violence against the west (not just the country they happen to have found sanctuary in, but any country in the west or western troops) must be forcibly deported back to their place of origin.
But of course. And what about those Muslims who are born in Europe and have European citizenship but are convicted of terror-related acts, should we treat them like other criminals or can we be a little bit more stern?
Where a person was born in the west, they should be deported to the country of origin of their parent or grandparent.
Mr Murray, you appear to have planned for everything! A solution for every eventuality. Almost a final solution one might say! How about those Muslims who are overseas though. Cant we do something about them too?
Abroad we must continue our work at taking the war to the terrorists. We are winning that war, and we should extend that war.
Yes, social cohesion, you say. You know I think I understand just exactly what you mean.
UNQUOTE:
Anxiety of anti-Islam circles for expeditious growing Islam in west, always force them to try to find newest ways to propagate against Islam, by misapprehend its basics concepts, to stop its up-and-coming, but always fail onto prevailing universal truth.
God Bless to whole human beings.
God bless muslims, especially
Pakistan
Friday, August 01, 2008
By Inayat Bunglawala
Several UK newspapers on Sunday and Monday published alarmist stories based upon a new report entitled Islam on Campus by the Centre for Social Cohesion and a YouGov poll also commissioned by the CfSC. The website of the CfSC explains its purpose as trying to generate: new thinking that can help bring Britains ethnic and religious communities closer together while strengthening British traditions of openness, tolerance and democracy.
The headlines included A third of Muslim students back killings (Sunday Times), One third of British Muslim students say its acceptable to kill for Islam (London Evening Standard) and Killing for religion is justified, say third of Muslim students (Sunday Telegraph).
Now I have blogged previously on Cif about my misgivings concerning the findings of several agenda-driven outfits falsely posing as think tanks. And this particular case has proved to be no different. A look at the YouGov poll revealed that a far more ambiguous question was actually posed to the Muslim students who took part in the survey. The question was:
Is it ever justifiable to kill in the name of religion?
The responses were as follows:
Yes in order to preserve and promote that religion (4%)
Yes but only if that religion is under attack (28%)
No it is never justifiable (53%)
Not sure (15%)
Are the results really that surprising given that Yes, but only if that religion is under attack can bear so many different meanings?
The director of the Centre for Social Cohesion is an excitable chap called Douglas Murray. He wrote a book a couple of years back called Neo-conservatism: Why We Need It. More pertinent to this blog, he has publicly expressed views about Muslims that give us a better idea of what he understands by social cohesion.
In a February 2006 speech entitled What Are We To Do About Islam? delivered at the Pim Fortuyn Memorial Conference in The Hague, Murray asked:
Why is it that time and again the liberal west is crumpling before the violence, intimidation and thuggery of Islam?
Ah, those liberals, eh? So what did Murray propose to do then?
I promised to propose some of the solutions to this problem ...
Oh good, so lets hear your number one option.
All immigration into Europe from Muslim countries must stop.
Now were getting somewhere! Are all black people to be excluded too, or would advocating that position more obviously contravene our racial discrimination laws? Yes, I think it might, so perhaps it is best to stick to Muslims. Anything else you have in mind?
Conditions for Muslims in Europe must be made harder across the board: Europe must look like a less attractive proposition.
A prophet! You appear to have anticipated Martin Amiss outburst.
And of course it should go without saying that Muslims in Europe who for any reason take part in, plot, assist or condone violence against the west (not just the country they happen to have found sanctuary in, but any country in the west or western troops) must be forcibly deported back to their place of origin.
But of course. And what about those Muslims who are born in Europe and have European citizenship but are convicted of terror-related acts, should we treat them like other criminals or can we be a little bit more stern?
Where a person was born in the west, they should be deported to the country of origin of their parent or grandparent.
Mr Murray, you appear to have planned for everything! A solution for every eventuality. Almost a final solution one might say! How about those Muslims who are overseas though. Cant we do something about them too?
Abroad we must continue our work at taking the war to the terrorists. We are winning that war, and we should extend that war.
Yes, social cohesion, you say. You know I think I understand just exactly what you mean.
UNQUOTE:
Anxiety of anti-Islam circles for expeditious growing Islam in west, always force them to try to find newest ways to propagate against Islam, by misapprehend its basics concepts, to stop its up-and-coming, but always fail onto prevailing universal truth.
God Bless to whole human beings.
God bless muslims, especially
Pakistan
