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What is meant by Han or being Chinese?


What is your take?

I know you must have heard of these people already. But nevertheless meet Ding Hui and Luo Jing.


Ding Hui (Chinese: 丁慧) is a biracial Chinese volleyball player ofSouth African descent who plays libero for Zhejiang volleyball club and the China men's national volleyball team. He is notable as the first black athlete to be selected for a Chinese national sports team.[2][3][4]

Ding's appearance as a black player is unique in that he is the first Chinese national, with black African ancestry, representing a Chinese national team and his selection to the team garnered widespread media attention, with some commentators saying he 'redefined race in China.'[2] The coach of the national team, Zhou Jian'an (周建安), was irritated by the number of calls he received inquiring Ding's family background. Zhou dismissed most of these calls, saying that he "fit requirements established by the Chinese Volleyball Association" and that Ding's background is a "private matter."[5] He is said to be preparing for the 2012 London Olympics.[5]



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Lou Jing
(born 1989) is a Chinese talent show contestant fromShanghai. She was born to a Chinese mother and an African American father, who left China before she was born and has lost contact ever since. Lou Jing's mother raised her as a single mother. She is currently enrolled at the Shanghai Theater Academy. She entered the Shanghai-based Dragon TV's Go Oriental Angel talent quest in August 2009, where she became one of the five finalists from Shanghai.

Dubbed the "Black Pearl", and "Chocolate Girl" on the show, her rise to fame culminated in heated discussions on the Chineseblogosphere. While some comments on internet forums expressed support, some comments insulted Lou and her mother with racist remarks.[1][2] Her attention in the media opened serious debates about racism in China and racial prejudice.[3][4]

Fame and racist uproar
Lou entered Shanghai's ""Go Oriental Angel"" program in August 2009, and reached the top-five in the Shanghai region. Initially hosts of the show were baffled by her skin colour and questioned her background, and the origins of her father.[5] Through the exposure she received on the show, she gained attention as a human interest story and granted several interviews to television stations. The media attention resulted in mass discussions on the Chinese-language internet, but soon spreading to the English-language internet and media.[1] On November 1, British newspaper The Guardian reported that Lou had emerged as the most famous talent show contestant in China and has become the subject of intense debate because of her skin colour.[3]

She ranked as one of the top 30 contestants before being eliminated from the competition.[6] Rumours flared on cyberspace, allegedly citing a press report, that Lou's mother engaged in an extra-marital affair with an African American, resulting in the birth of Lou Jing. Subsequently, a blog entitled "Could Lou Jing's dad be Obama?", where the author of the blog used many sarcastic remarks to ridicule Lou Jing, received particular notoriety. Another blog, titled Lou Jing's American black father and Shanghai mother, appeared on Tianya, a popular Chinese internet forum, and garnered over 40,000 hits, with many sarcastic and angry racist attacks on Lou Jing based on her dark skin. Racial slurs such as xiaoheigui (小黑鬼 xiǎohēiguǐ; lit. Little black devil) were used on her. Other bloggers wrote comments such as "Numb! This bitch still has the audacity to appear on television! I don't know what to say! One cannot be shameless to this kind of level!"[7] Lou Jing initially did not discover these comments on the internet until her friends contacted her with messages of support. She also remarked that it was the first time she has experienced such racial hatred in her life.[8]

China Daily columnist Raymond Zhou remarked that the backlash on the internet was caused by numerous factors, including China's homogeneity, her "non-Chinese" appearance and her mother's associations with a foreigner, but more relevantly, that her father is black, giving her dark skin. Zhou opined that China's intolerance is color-based, where people may admire paler skin, they discriminate against darker skin. He further commented that this trend is "not totally race based," as the Chinese are biased against other Chinese who have dark skin, especially dark-skinned women, and that he believes this to be an "offshoot of class discrimination" because historically, the lower class laborers who worked outdoor had darker skin due to being constantly exposed to the sun's radiation.[9] Zhou was one of several media commentators in China who responded to these blasts on the blogosphere, and came to Lou Jing's defense and criticized negative comments on internet. Zhou wrote that it was "high time [we] introduced some sensitivity training on races and ethnicities if we are going to latch on to the orbit of globalization."[9] Author Hung Huang wrote on her blog, "In the same year that Americans welcome Barack Obama to the White House, we can't even accept this girl with a different skin colour."[3] In the mainstream Chinese media, Lou Jing also had many supporters.[7]

In an interview with Chinese internet portal Netease, Lou discussed her background and how her skin colour has affected her since childhood. She responded to a hoax declaration widely circulated on the internet that proclaimed in her name that her father is "American, and not African".[10] She replied, "Isn't it kind of stupid to say it now since China is America's biggest creditor?"[10] When asked whether she agrees about being "a native of Shanghai", she remarked "I'm a Chinese person born and raised in China," adding that her best friends are fromAnhui and Henan. She also remarked that she was grateful that her parents gave birth to her, and played down racial discrimination, saying it has been overblown by false press reports.[10]

Lou received an internship offer from Shanghai television station Dragon TV after the show. She has since became a co-host of the show News Surfing Intelligence, a local Shanghai program.[8] In an interview with the BBC's Matthew Bannister, she remarked that racial discrimination is present in all countries of the world, but in China it seems particularly focused towards people of an African background due to the assumption that Africa is less developed.[8] She said that she found it interesting children of mixed Chinese-white parents do not receive nearly as much negative attention.[8]

Lou Jing is not the first Chinese person of African descent to have received widespread media attention in recent years. In June 2009, the entrance of Ding Hui (Chinese: 丁慧), a black man from Hangzhou, to the China men's national volleyball team also gained significant coverage on Chinese media.[11]

Personal
Lou Jing has a very close relationship with her mother, a native Shanghai woman. Her mother appeared at all of her shows to support her. Lou had a timid personality before appearing as a TV contestant, and is sensitive towards outside criticism, though she maintains an air of optimism.[citation needed] Lou Jing speaks fluent Shanghaineseand Mandarin.[12]
 
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I read some of the comments and they are vile racism in those.

Again, I'm not suggesting that Chinese are racists etc. It is just that some of them, like in other countries are. Remember, these people speak ONLY Chinese. Their mother tongue is Chinese, have Chinese citizenship, consider themselves Chinese, are loyal to China.

Meet Dilixiati Dilana

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Dilixiati Dilana, the 17-year-old Uyghur basketball player, who was also China’s flag-bearer in the opening ceremony of the 2014 Youth Olympic Games, plays in the women’s 3-on-3 basketball event in Nanjing on Monday. China beat the Netherlands 13:7 in the group-stage match. Photos: Cui Meng/GT


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Dilixiati Dilana, the 17-year-old Uyghur basketball player, who was also China’s flag-bearer in the opening ceremony of the 2014 Youth Olympic Games, plays in the women’s 3-on-3 basketball event in Nanjing on Monday. China beat the Netherlands 13:7 in the group-stage match. Photos: Cui Meng/GT


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Dilixiati Dilana, the 17-year-old Uyghur basketball player, who was also China’s flag-bearer in the opening ceremony of the 2014 Youth Olympic Games, plays in the women’s 3-on-3 basketball event in Nanjing on Monday. China beat the Netherlands 13:7 in the group-stage match. Photos: Cui Meng/GT


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Dilixiati Dilana, the 17-year-old Uyghur basketball player, who was also China’s flag-bearer in the opening ceremony of the 2014 Youth Olympic Games, plays in the women’s 3-on-3 basketball event in Nanjing on Monday. China beat the Netherlands 13:7 in the group-stage match. Photos: Cui Meng/GT


Dilixiati Dilana, the 17-year-old Uyghur basketball player, who was also China’s flag-bearer in the opening ceremony of the 2014 Youth Olympic Games, plays in the women’s 3-on-3 basketball event in Nanjing on Monday. China beat the Netherlands 13:7 in the group-stage match. Photos: Cui Meng/GT



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Dilixiati Dilana, the 17-year-old Uyghur basketball player, who was also China’s flag-bearer in the opening ceremony of the 2014 Youth Olympic Games, plays in the women’s 3-on-3 basketball event in Nanjing on Monday. China beat the Netherlands 13:7 in the group-stage match. Photos: Cui Meng/GT


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Dilixiati Dilana, the 17-year-old Uyghur basketball player, who was also China’s flag-bearer in the opening ceremony of the 2014 Youth Olympic Games, plays in the women’s 3-on-3 basketball event in Nanjing on Monday. China beat the Netherlands 13:7 in the group-stage match. Photos: Cui Meng/GT


Dilixiati Dilana, the 17-year-old Uyghur basketball player, who was also China’s flag-bearer in the opening ceremony of the 2014 Youth Olympic Games, plays in the women’s 3-on-3 basketball event in Nanjing on Monday. China beat the Netherlands 13:7 in the group-stage match. Photos: Cui Meng/GT


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Dilixiati Dilana, the 17-year-old Uyghur basketball player, who was also China’s flag-bearer in the opening ceremony of the 2014 Youth Olympic Games, plays in the women’s 3-on-3 basketball event in Nanjing on Monday. China beat the Netherlands 13:7 in the group-stage match.

Just see the pride on her face. I was watching the ceremony, and I was impressed with the way she carried herself.

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I will introduce a video to say this, a TED speaking by Martin Jacques, how let Chinese be called Chinese
Martin Jacques 马丁·雅克 墨尔本大学演讲 中国的崛起—在线播放—优酷网,视频高清在线观看

If you are not simply a citizenship based state, why do you just leave the overseas Chinese communities?

And you don't consider them Chinese even when they have Chinese citizenship and Chinese blood?

Many Chinese themselves will argue that China has more to do with culture than race. Culture is what is more important.

Also, this is a myth that China didn't have immigration. It had lots of it. The only difference was that at that time, the immigration and exchange happened only in neighbouring areas due to constraints of technology. This made it largely to be only Mongoloid population. (China had many jews etc, which lived very well assimilated lives in China)
 
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Another want-hatred thread by this OP, what can I say?
Perhaps the most successful troll in East Asia who is not from East Asia.
Bet this OP feels like having drunk 100 tins of Redbull after finding these materials.
Too excited or too much?
 
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If you are not simply a citizenship based state, why do you just leave the overseas Chinese communities?

And you don't consider them Chinese even when they have Chinese citizenship and Chinese blood?

Many Chinese themselves will argue that China has more to do with culture than race. Culture is what is more important.

Also, this is a myth that China didn't have immigration. It had lots of it. The only difference was that at that time, the immigration and exchange happened only in neighbouring areas due to constraints of technology. This made it largely to be only Mongoloid population. (China had many jews etc, which lived very well assimilated lives in China)
Chinese how to say, Han Chinese, is a civilization unit more than blood relation, if I go to US, and 100 years late, my grandson can't speak in Chinese or thinking as Chinese civilization, he can't be considered as a Chinese by other Chinese, “Chinese” united many other people in history, and they speak in Chinese and think they belong to Chinese civilization and be considered by others as Chinese.
One black boy grown up in China, speaking in Chinese and think he belong to Chinese civilization, and will be considered by other Chinese as Chinese.
 
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Chinese how to say, Han Chinese, is a civilization unit more than blood relation, if I go to US, and 100 years late, my grandson can't speak in Chinese or thinking as Chinese civilization, he can't be considered as a Chinese by other Chinese, “Chinese” united many other people in history, and they speak in Chinese and think they belong to Chinese civilization and be considered by others as Chinese.
One black boy grown up in China, speaking in Chinese and think he belong to Chinese civilization, and will be considered by other Chinese as Chinese.
I admire your efforts, but utterly useless. Just see how his other threads were going and how those threads' original topics were ignored but led to what this OP really wanted to troll about, Chinese immigrotio, demoncrazy, soft powar, Chinese identititi, no innovatia, ageing popular, and etc.
 
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If you are not simply a citizenship based state, why do you just leave the overseas Chinese communities?

And you don't consider them Chinese even when they have Chinese citizenship and Chinese blood?

Many Chinese themselves will argue that China has more to do with culture than race. Culture is what is more important.

Also, this is a myth that China didn't have immigration. It had lots of it. The only difference was that at that time, the immigration and exchange happened only in neighboring areas due to constraints of technology. This made it largely to be only Mongoloid population. (China had many jews etc, which lived very well assimilated lives in China)

i dont know who told you oversea Chinese are not Chinese? lol
There are 2 kinds of oversea Chinese, the ones who live or study abroad, but still have a Chinese passport, They are still considered Chinese.
another kind are neutralized to another countries citizenship and swore oath under a foreign flag, they are considered to be with Chinese ancestry, but not Chinese.
Until early 2000, there is no way for a foreigner to get Chinese citizenship, so no, it's not a myth.
 
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