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A New Model for China-US Relations?

U.S. President Barack Obama is visiting China for the first time since 2009, and following the APEC Summit will hold his fourth meeting with China’s President Xi Jinping. The two leaders are expected to meet in an informal setting, as they did at Sunnylands in California last year, when Xi Jinping first met Obama as president and put forward the concept of “New Type of Major Powers Relations” to guide the growing complex relations between the two countries.

Unfortunately, there has been little evidence of positive progress since last year’s summit; instead, the bilateral relationship has been marked by growing tensions and even setbacks. Whether it be the China seas, the ADIZ, or U.S. surveillance conducted in China’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ), tensions between China and U.S. are running high. On maritime disputes, their positions and perceptions are almost diametrically opposed. In the economic sphere, China and the U.S. are engaging in a kind of unspoken competition, with Washington’s Trans-Pacific Partnership pitted against Beijing’s Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership. The U.S. worries about an increasingly assertive China, while China suspects the U.S. of pursuing a policy of encirclement and containment.

Clearly, the China-U.S. relationship is not a new model of relations and interactions between a rising power and the established power. Rather, it shows all the classic manifestations of the rising power/established power historical dynamic. That begs a question: Is a new model possible?

While there is every reason to be pessimistic about the future of the relationship, I’m still cautiously optimistic. There are several reasons why.

First, in contrast to historical patterns, in the postwar era, no country can expect to rise to great power status through conquest. On the ashes of the World War II, the United States took the lead in building a world order based on international law and institutions, and abolished the use of war as a legitimate national foreign policy instrument except in rare situations of self-defense or collective defense with UN Security Council authorization. A new pattern has emerged: States rise peacefully by means of trade, as Japan, Germany, India and China have done.

Second, while China is not entirely satisfied with the existing international order, which it play no part in creating, it is not bent on overthrowing it or displacing it with its own alternative. Since 1978, when China first opened its door to the outside world after 30 years of isolation, it has tried hard to become part of the order, as witnessed by its entry into WTO, and quite possibly the TPP in the future. And unlike the Soviet Union, which established its own economic bloc, ideological camp, and satellite states, and which was bent on putting an end to the capitalist world, China is determined to rise peacefully, and has explicitly sought to build a new type of great power relations as a way of avoiding a repeat of history.

Third, despite the different views concerning disputes in the China seas and maritime and air surveillance in the EEZ, China and the U.S. hold more than 90 institutionalized bilateral interactions annually, an unusually high number even by the standards of U.S. and its close allies. While this engagement alone cannot guarantee that there will be no spats or friction between China and U.S., it does provide channels to express worries, concerns or dissatisfaction to the other side and get feedback directly, which in turn helps defuse tensions and prevent miscalculations, misjudgments and escalation.

That said, China and the U.S. still have much to do to build a new pattern of rising and established powers relations. Both countries should do more to reduce mutual suspicions and defuse regional tensions. Here are some steps they could take.

First, China and the U.S. should engage in a serious dialogue about the future trajectory of the East Asian order. The region is in the midst of a power flux, and the existing order established during the Cold War and based on ideological antipathy and military confrontation now lags far behind the new reality. East Asia is today the arena for China-U.S. competition for influence and the source of much of the mistrust. The 1972 Nixon visit to China and the ensuing normalization of relations between China and U.S. was the first serious attempt by U.S. to adjust the order. That “grand bargain” helped usher in a golden era in East Asia. Today, with simmering tensions in the region and growing suspicion and mistrust between China and U.S., the two countries should adopt a strategic vision and aim to strike a second “grand bargain” on the future of the East Asian order. This bargain should encompass a future vision for the East Asian order, consider the adjustments and compromises that need to be made, and how they can be made, and specify what role China, the U.S. and other stakeholders should play in the reconstruction of the order.

Second, China and U.S. should hold direct dialogues on the rights and boundaries of air and maritime surveillance in EEZs. One of the major irritants in China-U.S. relations is the surveillance that takes place in China’s EZZ, which for the past decade has caused serious standoffs and confrontations between the two militaries and placed bilateral relations under great strain. It has also aroused Chinese suspicions that the U.S. is seeking to contain China. While it is not realistic to hope U.S. will abandon its “right” to surveillance in international commons, an informal understanding concerning the frequency, scope, and pre-surveillance notification could be feasible, and would remove one of the most volatile irritants in the relationship.

Third, China should engage with its neighbors to develop a code of conduct for the maritime disputes in the East and South China Seas. While China and the other claimants are unlikely to forgo their claims to the rocks and reefs, they can all agree to deal with the issue peacefully. As a rising power and the major claimant, China has an important responsibility to defuse regional tensions and work with other parties to find an acceptable solution for the co-development of the maritime resources and a peaceful resolution of the disputes. Building on that, China, the U.S., and other countries in East Asia could then try to establish an inclusive security arrangement that guarantees peace and stability in the region.

WEI Zongyou is professor of International Relations at Center for American Studies, Fudan University, China. Previously, he worked as Vice Dean at Institute of International and Diplomatic Affairs, Shanghai International Studies University. The views expressed here are all his own.



A New Model for China-US Relations? | The Diplomat
 
Is Obama trying to create headache for the congress?
 
That begs a question: Is a new model possible?

I would agree that both USA and China will follow a new model rather than the traditional "rising power/established power" historical dynamic, and this path will be charted by many small steps that will occur over the next several decades. As long as the economic well-being of both powers is intertwined, the positive outcomes will be forthcoming.
 
we and china should meet each other half way on things.
start off small and work our way up to big issues like Taiwan,South China Sea, spying and what not.
 
I want to know the American point of view on this. @TruthSeeker , @OCguy , @F-22Raptor , @gambit , @Death.By.Chocolate , @LeveragedBuyout , @Syed.Ali.Haider , @SvenSvensonov , @Peter C , @C130 , @MastanKhan et al.


A New Model for China-US Relations?

U.S. President Barack Obama is visiting China for the first time since 2009, and following the APEC Summit will hold his fourth meeting with China’s President Xi Jinping. The two leaders are expected to meet in an informal setting, as they did at Sunnylands in California last year, when Xi Jinping first met Obama as president and put forward the concept of “New Type of Major Powers Relations” to guide the growing complex relations between the two countries.

Unfortunately, there has been little evidence of positive progress since last year’s summit; instead, the bilateral relationship has been marked by growing tensions and even setbacks. Whether it be the China seas, the ADIZ, or U.S. surveillance conducted in China’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ), tensions between China and U.S. are running high. On maritime disputes, their positions and perceptions are almost diametrically opposed. In the economic sphere, China and the U.S. are engaging in a kind of unspoken competition, with Washington’s Trans-Pacific Partnership pitted against Beijing’s Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership. The U.S. worries about an increasingly assertive China, while China suspects the U.S. of pursuing a policy of encirclement and containment.

Clearly, the China-U.S. relationship is not a new model of relations and interactions between a rising power and the established power. Rather, it shows all the classic manifestations of the rising power/established power historical dynamic. That begs a question: Is a new model possible?

While there is every reason to be pessimistic about the future of the relationship, I’m still cautiously optimistic. There are several reasons why.

First, in contrast to historical patterns, in the postwar era, no country can expect to rise to great power status through conquest. On the ashes of the World War II, the United States took the lead in building a world order based on international law and institutions, and abolished the use of war as a legitimate national foreign policy instrument except in rare situations of self-defense or collective defense with UN Security Council authorization. A new pattern has emerged: States rise peacefully by means of trade, as Japan, Germany, India and China have done.

Second, while China is not entirely satisfied with the existing international order, which it play no part in creating, it is not bent on overthrowing it or displacing it with its own alternative. Since 1978, when China first opened its door to the outside world after 30 years of isolation, it has tried hard to become part of the order, as witnessed by its entry into WTO, and quite possibly the TPP in the future. And unlike the Soviet Union, which established its own economic bloc, ideological camp, and satellite states, and which was bent on putting an end to the capitalist world, China is determined to rise peacefully, and has explicitly sought to build a new type of great power relations as a way of avoiding a repeat of history.

Third, despite the different views concerning disputes in the China seas and maritime and air surveillance in the EEZ, China and the U.S. hold more than 90 institutionalized bilateral interactions annually, an unusually high number even by the standards of U.S. and its close allies. While this engagement alone cannot guarantee that there will be no spats or friction between China and U.S., it does provide channels to express worries, concerns or dissatisfaction to the other side and get feedback directly, which in turn helps defuse tensions and prevent miscalculations, misjudgments and escalation.

That said, China and the U.S. still have much to do to build a new pattern of rising and established powers relations. Both countries should do more to reduce mutual suspicions and defuse regional tensions. Here are some steps they could take.

First, China and the U.S. should engage in a serious dialogue about the future trajectory of the East Asian order. The region is in the midst of a power flux, and the existing order established during the Cold War and based on ideological antipathy and military confrontation now lags far behind the new reality. East Asia is today the arena for China-U.S. competition for influence and the source of much of the mistrust. The 1972 Nixon visit to China and the ensuing normalization of relations between China and U.S. was the first serious attempt by U.S. to adjust the order. That “grand bargain” helped usher in a golden era in East Asia. Today, with simmering tensions in the region and growing suspicion and mistrust between China and U.S., the two countries should adopt a strategic vision and aim to strike a second “grand bargain” on the future of the East Asian order. This bargain should encompass a future vision for the East Asian order, consider the adjustments and compromises that need to be made, and how they can be made, and specify what role China, the U.S. and other stakeholders should play in the reconstruction of the order.

Second, China and U.S. should hold direct dialogues on the rights and boundaries of air and maritime surveillance in EEZs. One of the major irritants in China-U.S. relations is the surveillance that takes place in China’s EZZ, which for the past decade has caused serious standoffs and confrontations between the two militaries and placed bilateral relations under great strain. It has also aroused Chinese suspicions that the U.S. is seeking to contain China. While it is not realistic to hope U.S. will abandon its “right” to surveillance in international commons, an informal understanding concerning the frequency, scope, and pre-surveillance notification could be feasible, and would remove one of the most volatile irritants in the relationship.

Third, China should engage with its neighbors to develop a code of conduct for the maritime disputes in the East and South China Seas. While China and the other claimants are unlikely to forgo their claims to the rocks and reefs, they can all agree to deal with the issue peacefully. As a rising power and the major claimant, China has an important responsibility to defuse regional tensions and work with other parties to find an acceptable solution for the co-development of the maritime resources and a peaceful resolution of the disputes. Building on that, China, the U.S., and other countries in East Asia could then try to establish an inclusive security arrangement that guarantees peace and stability in the region.

WEI Zongyou is professor of International Relations at Center for American Studies, Fudan University, China. Previously, he worked as Vice Dean at Institute of International and Diplomatic Affairs, Shanghai International Studies University. The views expressed here are all his own.



A New Model for China-US Relations? | The Diplomat

Any deal is a good deal. Whether it's military-to-military communications to avoid misunderstandings, trade and visa deals, or environmental pacts, any deal between the US and China is something I put my full support behind. We need more cooperation, even if we continue to compete, as our nations are more important to this world then just about any others. At the APEC summit much work has been done, and much more will be done behind the scenes, to mend the ties between the US and China. I can't muster the will to condemn and move and will reduce tensions and improve cooperation between both nations. I look forward to peace and prosperity and curse continued tensions.
 
Is Obama trying to create headache for the congress?

Hmm, a headache for a Republican Congress and Republican Senate? And a headache for the future Republican President?

Interesting hypothesis !
 
Any deals that can advance the relations of both countries and prevent miscalculations are good with me. This will not only benefit us, but the world as well.
 
While I share the hope of the majority of Americans posting here, I am also forced to share @Peter C 's cynicism. The article is exceptionally vague about the most critical issues, calling into question what, exactly, this "new model" entails.

Unfortunately, there has been little evidence of positive progress since last year’s summit; instead, the bilateral relationship has been marked by growing tensions and even setbacks. Whether it be the China seas, the ADIZ, or U.S. surveillance conducted in China’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ), tensions between China and U.S. are running high. On maritime disputes, their positions and perceptions are almost diametrically opposed. In the economic sphere, China and the U.S. are engaging in a kind of unspoken competition, with Washington’s Trans-Pacific Partnership pitted against Beijing’s Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership. The U.S. worries about an increasingly assertive China, while China suspects the U.S. of pursuing a policy of encirclement and containment.

This is the current reality, now let's examine the author's proposals in light of this.

First, in contrast to historical patterns, in the postwar era, no country can expect to rise to great power status through conquest. On the ashes of the World War II, the United States took the lead in building a world order based on international law and institutions, and abolished the use of war as a legitimate national foreign policy instrument except in rare situations of self-defense or collective defense with UN Security Council authorization. A new pattern has emerged: States rise peacefully by means of trade, as Japan, Germany, India and China have done.

Historically speaking, Pax Americana has been a short chapter. Just because something has not been possible for 70 years doesn't mean it will not be possible again. The USSR lasted 70 years, after which history changed. We can see it changing again with Crimea... and China's seizure of territory in the SCS. The era of peaceful rise, i.e. Pax Americana, is over.

Second, while China is not entirely satisfied with the existing international order, which it play no part in creating, it is not bent on overthrowing it or displacing it with its own alternative. Since 1978, when China first opened its door to the outside world after 30 years of isolation, it has tried hard to become part of the order, as witnessed by its entry into WTO, and quite possibly the TPP in the future. And unlike the Soviet Union, which established its own economic bloc, ideological camp, and satellite states, and which was bent on putting an end to the capitalist world, China is determined to rise peacefully, and has explicitly sought to build a new type of great power relations as a way of avoiding a repeat of history.

I agree that China is not satisfied with the international order, and that it was not an equal partner in creating this system. But it has benefited enormously, regardless of that fact. It was given a permanent seat on the UNSC. It has disproportionately benefited from the free trade regime. Now, having squeezed all of the benefits out of the existing system, China wants to introduce its own system, manifested by the displacement of the IMF and World Bank, setting up the SCO, and declaring that Chinese history, not law, will be the arbiter of disputes in the SCS. It would be more accurate to say that China had been determined to rise peacefully, and now that it's risen, the game will change.

Third, despite the different views concerning disputes in the China seas and maritime and air surveillance in the EEZ, China and the U.S. hold more than 90 institutionalized bilateral interactions annually, an unusually high number even by the standards of U.S. and its close allies. While this engagement alone cannot guarantee that there will be no spats or friction between China and U.S., it does provide channels to express worries, concerns or dissatisfaction to the other side and get feedback directly, which in turn helps defuse tensions and prevent miscalculations, misjudgments and escalation.

Good, but it would be helpful if the author could provide examples for when such interactions have reduced tensions or helped to avoid conflict. I remain skeptical, and wonder if this is really anything more than just a talk shop.

First, China and the U.S. should engage in a serious dialogue about the future trajectory of the East Asian order. The region is in the midst of a power flux, and the existing order established during the Cold War and based on ideological antipathy and military confrontation now lags far behind the new reality. East Asia is today the arena for China-U.S. competition for influence and the source of much of the mistrust. The 1972 Nixon visit to China and the ensuing normalization of relations between China and U.S. was the first serious attempt by U.S. to adjust the order. That “grand bargain” helped usher in a golden era in East Asia. Today, with simmering tensions in the region and growing suspicion and mistrust between China and U.S., the two countries should adopt a strategic vision and aim to strike a second “grand bargain” on the future of the East Asian order. This bargain should encompass a future vision for the East Asian order, consider the adjustments and compromises that need to be made, and how they can be made, and specify what role China, the U.S. and other stakeholders should play in the reconstruction of the order.

Too vague. What sort of grand bargain does the author have in mind, and how does that differ from China's desire to displace the existing world order with one of its own creation? Isn't that exactly what a grand bargain entails, i.e. a peaceful transfer of power from the US to China?

Second, China and U.S. should hold direct dialogues on the rights and boundaries of air and maritime surveillance in EEZs. One of the major irritants in China-U.S. relations is the surveillance that takes place in China’s EZZ, which for the past decade has caused serious standoffs and confrontations between the two militaries and placed bilateral relations under great strain. It has also aroused Chinese suspicions that the U.S. is seeking to contain China. While it is not realistic to hope U.S. will abandon its “right” to surveillance in international commons, an informal understanding concerning the frequency, scope, and pre-surveillance notification could be feasible, and would remove one of the most volatile irritants in the relationship.

The rule of law is the rule of law. I don't see a viable compromise whereby what is legal becomes outlawed for the sake of great power relations, and where rights are informally abandoned for the sake of peace. If that's what it takes for true friendship, that's fine--but China first, please.

Third, China should engage with its neighbors to develop a code of conduct for the maritime disputes in the East and South China Seas. While China and the other claimants are unlikely to forgo their claims to the rocks and reefs, they can all agree to deal with the issue peacefully. As a rising power and the major claimant, China has an important responsibility to defuse regional tensions and work with other parties to find an acceptable solution for the co-development of the maritime resources and a peaceful resolution of the disputes. Building on that, China, the U.S., and other countries in East Asia could then try to establish an inclusive security arrangement that guarantees peace and stability in the region.

There is already a code of conduct called UNCLOS. If China has a dispute, it should take that dispute to the UN to have the territorial markers determined by a professional panel, based on law. We all know why China does not choose this route, which brings us back to the question: is a new model for China-US relations possible?

So far, the signs are not good. I am a great admirer of China, but even China can't change the cycle of history. It may not even take a direct war between the US and China to change the world order (as WWI and WWII were not between the US and the British Empire), but there will be a conflict that sees China formally rise to the pinnacle, and then such a "new model" will no longer be seen as necessary from China's standpoint.
 
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