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  • Michele Flournoy, who is reportedly in the running for the top US defence job, suggested in June that a stronger American deterrence in the South China Sea might make the Chinese military think twice
  • But her proposal might be difficult to achieve as it involves a huge reallocation of resources, observers say

Liu Zhen in Beijing
Published: 10:00pm, 14 Nov, 2020

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One contender for Pentagon chief has suggested that American forces could bolster deterrence with the ability to “sink all” Chinese vessels “within 72 hours” in the South China Sea. Photo: Weibo


The next Pentagon chief could cement the US’ already hard defence line on China, with one contender suggesting that American forces could bolster deterrence with the ability to “sink all” Chinese vessels “within 72 hours” in the
South China Sea
.
Michele Flournoy
, an undersecretary of defence in the Obama administration, has been touted as a possible defence secretary in the cabinet of
US president-elect Joe Biden
.
In an article in the journal Foreign Affairs in June, Flournoy said that as Washington’s ability and resolve to counter Beijing’s military assertiveness in the region declined, the US needed a solid deterrence to reduce the risk of “miscalculation” by China’s leadership.
“For example, if the US military had the capability to credibly threaten to sink all of China’s military vessels, submarines, and merchant ships in the South China Sea within 72 hours, Chinese leaders might think twice before, say, launching a blockade or invasion of Taiwan; they would have to wonder whether it was worth putting their entire fleet at risk,” Flournoy said.


Defence and diplomatic observers said that realising that idea would come at huge cost but appointing its advocate would signal that the US would keep piling military pressure on China.

Collin Koh, a research fellow from the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies at Singapore’s Nanyang Technological University, said one point was certain no matter who took office.
https://www.scmp.com/knowledge/us-china-relations?module=widget_banner&pgtype=article
“Irrespective of who’s in the White House, the ability to sustain credible deterrence and if necessary, defeat [People’s Liberation Army] aggression against Taiwan in line with the Taiwan Relations Act, would have been seen as a given,” Koh said.


In the article, Flournoy also stressed the need for innovation, especially on unmanned systems augmented by artificial intelligence, as well as cyber and missile defence, and resilient communication and command networks.

She said the United States had overinvested in “legacy platforms and weapons systems” while underinvesting in emerging technologies that would determine who had the advantage in the future.

“To re-establish credible deterrence of China, the United States must be able to prevent the success of any act of military aggression by Beijing, either by denying the PLA’s ability to achieve its aims or by imposing costs so great that Chinese leaders ultimately decide that the act is not in their interest,” she said.
The US military should rely more on smaller and more agile forces such as unmanned underwater vehicles, and highly mobile units that could move around to complicate China’s planning.

But observers said that with the coronavirus pandemic casting a shadow over the future US defence budget, there was added uncertainty about whether investment could be reallocated from competing programmes to realise such plans.
Wu Xinbo, director of Fudan University’s Centre for American Studies, said that even if the US did make such a shift and ramp up its deterrence, Beijing’s military plans regarding Taiwan would not change.

“Such a threat could hardly work, because the PLA has already and always taken direct American interference into calculation when planning for military operations on Taiwan,” Wu said.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...sing-private-spy-planes-keep-tabs-china-think
Flournoy also highlighted the unique US advantages over China – a network of allies and partners, and suggested Washington should reach out to countries in the region to jointly resist the “authoritarian, revisionist” China and its “coercive measures”.

She proposed more regular military exercises with allies and partners, more senior officials and military forces deployed in the region in a more dispersed manner, and a portfolio of economic, technological and political measures in addition to military.
Su Hao, director of the Centre for Strategic and Peace Studies at China Foreign Affairs University, said that compared to Trump’s unilateralism, a Biden administration would obviously prefer collective and multilateral approaches to contain China.

These could include strengthening military ties through the US-Japan-South Korea alliance, the US-Japan-Australia-India “quad”, and in partnership with Southeast Asian countries around the disputed South China Sea.
He said that although the Biden administration would strengthen its alliance ties, a “Nato in Asia” against China was unlikely, as the Asian countries would avoid a total hostility or confrontation with the biggest economy in the region.

 

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unmanned underwater vehicles

This means submarine warfare/ASW to protect the fleet.

They don't want to risk the US attack subs, so wanted to use many unmanned sub to take out the entire Chinese fleet of hundreds of ships/subs.

My strategy of underwater navy protects from air, missile attack was true and the pentagon agrees.

Why I have been saying that China needs 1000s of 039s. Produce 50 a year, and within 25 years, China has over 1000 SSKs. Keep upgrading the variants every 5 year or so years.

If NK can have almost 100 subs, albeit most midget, China is 50 times the size of NK with a better economy. That means China can have 5000 midget subs easily at NK economy size. Maybe 10000 or more. So 1000 SSKs would not be too much.

Those who knocked the 056 ASW corvettes, give some respect to these little guys. Looks like you need more and more capable of taking out unmanned subs. Bring back the 037 subchasers. Make 1000s of those little guys, more advanced with the sole purpose to defend from unmanned subs at long range. You need swarms to defeat their swarms.

Russia is about 1/8 of China, has over 60 submarines, most of which are over 10000 tons.

China is barely trying and has the largest navy. And they are going to have to think outside the box, even more than me, to keep them safe.
 
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This means submarine warfare/ASW to protect the fleet.

They don't want to risk the US attack subs, so wanted to use many unmanned sub to take out the entire Chinese fleet of hundreds of ships/subs.

My strategy of underwater navy protects from air, missile attack was true and the pentagon agrees.

Why I have been saying that China needs 1000s of 039s. Produce 50 a year, and within 25 years, China has over 1000 SSKs. Keep upgrading the variants every 5 year or so years.

If NK can have almost 100 subs, albeit most midget, China is 50 times the size of NK with a better economy. That means China can have 5000 midget subs easily at NK economy size. Maybe 10000 or more. So 1000 SSKs would not be too much.

Those who knocked the 056 ASW corvettes, give some respect to these little guys. Looks like you need more and more capable of taking out unmanned subs. Bring back the 037 subchasers. Make 1000s of those little guys, more advanced with the sole purpose to defend from unmanned subs at long range. You need swarms to defeat their swarms.

Russia is about 1/8 of China, has over 60 submarines, most of which are over 10000 tons.

China is barely trying and has the largest navy. And they are going to have to think outside the box, even more than me, to keep them safe.
nahhh they just need to blow you oil storage and the PLAN will be port queens instead.
 
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And then all US air bases and naval bases in Japan and Guam and Diego Garcia and Singapore be rendered inoperational within 10 minutes.

And all assets in the air bases and naval bases hit and destroyed within the next 30 minutes.

All the USA JSTARS and tankers be in flames within an hour.

All carriers within the 3rd Island Chain be burning from end to end.



Remember in just ten minutes, China missiles will destroy all the fucking airbases and naval bases in Japan and Guam. And in the next 30 minutes, Chinese cruise missiles by the thousands will take out whatever the **** the missiles left in Japan.

Whether the mosquito is female or male will also be known.
Your stealth F35s or B1s B2s got smaller radar profile than a mosquito?

Smaller profile than the differences between a male and female mosquitoe?

China Using Radar To Combat Mosquitoes
China is using military technology to wage war ... on mosquitoes

USA or Israeli got any systems able to do that?
Thank you USA for enforcing ban on China in purchasing that from Israel or other countries.
Forcing China to do it all on its own and leaving you either far behind or far far behind.
**And Chinese air weaponary. To splash the air tankers and AWACs and JSTAR USA rely on to direct the fight in the air. And the Stealth planes of USA.**

How China's Clever New Missile Could Cripple American Air Power
China's Mach 6 Monster Air-to-Air Missile Could Make the U.S. Air Force Come in for a ‘Crash Landing’

This is what USA Airforce Secretary got to say in 2018
Air Force secretary: China, Russia could shoot down new JSTARS on day one of a war

There will be no usable bases for USA airforce in Japan or Guam within the first 10 minutes of the war.
First Strike: China's Missile Threat to U.S. Bases in Asia
A Missile 'Pearl Harbor': How China Could Win a War Against America?
Missile Strikes on U.S. Bases in Asia: Is This China's Real Threat to America?
Those bases will all be hit and cratered by DFs with conventional warheads so planes cannot take off.
Go into above to see photos of strikes made by Chinese on model setups in the Western desert of China that represent hardened bunkers for planes and runways and dock settings with models of Burkes and Ticos and the bases HQs to see the pin point targetting of the DFs.



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Naval assets and head quarters will all be hit and sunk and taken out of play.
Then Chinese cruise missiles will fly by the thousands to take out planes still stuck in those bases.
As for shooting war at the sea. And forgetting for time being the DF-21Ds and DF-26Bs and CM-401s that China have and figment of imagination in heads of USA Admirals.
Just on AShMs.
Xi Jinping's Rocket Force is nullifying U.S. military primacy in Asia


Note the DF100s antiship missiles . Revealed only in Oct 2019. Mach 5 and range of 1000 km.


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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/chinas-df-100-missile-good-enough-kill-americas-navy-96476


China got 3000++ of Mach 3s YJ-12 and YJ18 to throw against the 11 carriers USA want to bring to their self declared FONOP.
Or at least 300++ Mach 3s on each carrier group.

So more than enough to spare for Japanese destroyers or whatever they got floating on the water and thinking of using on China.

Assuming only 20 % of those will hit. So be assured that at least 10 missiles will hit the carrier and not just 1 missile.
And not just the warhead, there will be 2–3 tons of missiles coming behind the warhead at Mach 3 tearing into the bulkheads and ordnance and aviation fuel and the poor men and women in the carrier. Those 2–3 tons of missile body will be tearing in the bulkheads faster and more deadly then APFSDS. Andf carrying its own unburned fuel to add to the fun.
Even steel will burn when hit with hell fire and tons of steel and debris coming in at Mach 3. The aviation fuel, and paint on walls, the bombs and ordnance will all cook off and add to the huge huge fire inside the carrier. Regardless if carrier under Condition Zebra or Donkey or Jackass.
The brave sailors in those carriers will not care or worry and be happy that their carrier not sinking. And only burning and burning from one end to the other end.



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Just see how China from a moving space satellite tracked and focus and kept in the center of focus a moving rocket after launch of rocket. Can we agree that a moving rocket will be much much faster than a moving airplane?

Can the aircraft carrier move faster than that airplane or speeding rocket?

That same kind of information can be relayed onto DF21D DF26B as to where the carrier is and heading to.

Enough information to hit the medulla oblongata of that carrier.

And do not think 1 DF26B got one warhead only.
Remember the throw weight of DF26B is 1,800 kg, and half of that for DF21D.
A 100 kg of anything coming down at Mach 10 to Mach 15 will be very very bad news for anything that it hit.

It might amuse you all to know not only are there 300++ DF21Ds and DF26Bs.

There is a strong possibility that those are MIRVED. To maximise the chances of your brave sailors you send will remain forever young.

Do take a look at this video of DF26. On top of those 300++ numbers of DFs, DF26 appeared to be MIRVED as well.



And for all you guess, DF21Ds might well be MIRVED as well.

And even if not MIRVED, there are still 300++ of them. You hope, or think, everyone of them will miss? And same for the 3000++ Mach 3 AShMs?

USA ships and planes not going to have any bases west of Pearl Harbour once the shooting start.
nationalinterest.org

Report: China’s ‘Aircraft-Carrier Killer’ Missiles Hit Target Ship in August
The new carrier killers are just part of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) arsenal of missiles, which includes more than 1,250 ground-launched ballistic missiles.



How difficult is it to detect stealth planes and to target them when the quality of radar Chinese are dealing with can be set to detect not just mosquitoes a few kilometers away.

Whether the mosquito is female or male will also be known.

Your stealth F-22 F35s or B1s B2s got smaller radar profile than a mosquito?

Smaller then the difference between a male and female mosquito?

China Using Radar To Combat Mosquitoes

China is using military technology to wage war ... on mosquitoes

USA or Israeli got any systems able to do that?

Thank you USA for enforcing ban on China in purchasing that from Israel or other countries.

Forcing China to do it all on its own and leaving you either far behind or far far behind.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that filters are in place to ignore normal mosquitoes flying at 10 to 20 km per hour. Any mosquito, or bird, flying at 100 mph or faster will be picked up. China got AI recognition to pick up and pin point faces from videos in cities of a few dozen millions.

Picking up F-22 of radar profile of a bird that travel close to Mach 1 will be a piece of cake.

And sending Mach 6 BVRAAMs to take down that fast flying bird.

Will they hope to hide from the Divine Eagles and more? who then will signal to the BVRAAMs to take them down?

https://thaimilitaryandasianregi...

China’s Divine Eagle anti-stealth UAV is probably an interferometer


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10,000 Divine Eagle L-band T/R module interferometer / 1,200 F-35 X-band T/R module AESA radar = Eight times greater sensitivity based on module count

Why does China’s Divine Eagle UAV have a maximum altitude of 79,000 feet?

According to Popular Science, China’s Divine Eagle UAV has a maximum altitude of 25km (or 79,000 feet).

In contrast, the US Global Hawk has a maximum altitude of only 18km (or 57,000 feet).


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And Chinese Soar Dragon XiangLong

ANOTHER BIG BIRD

The 7-10 ton Xianglong, with some stealthy features, would make an ideal EW drone thanks to its huge size, and lone endurance. Its unique 20 meter joined tandem wings increase its range and on station time.

http://www.top81.cn
, via yexu at China Defense Forum


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vacuuming up a wealth of data, for extended periods of time.
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The system might also move beyond a surveillance role. Chinese engineers have noted that the Xianglong's large payload, endurance and range makes it ideal for electronic warfare (EW) missions, both for gathering intelligence on electronic activity, as well as carrying jammers to disrupt enemy radars and datalinks. In wartime, the Xianglong's high altitude jammers would seek to disrupt not only the radars of enemy fighters and missiles, but also jam and spoof communications between enemy bombers, airborne early warning and control aircraft, drones and even datalinks between satellites, ships, land based missile launchers and missiles. in such role, the EW Xianglong would operate alongside a host of other Chinese EW aircraft, including Y-9 heavy transport jammers, J-16 and JH-7 strike aircraft, in both offensive and defensive operations.


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Now you can tell me about your dog fights and air combats with China when your planes got no bases to take off from or to land and no carriers and no KC135 tankers and no AEWCs and no JSTARS to tell your pilots what the **** to do.
3000++ Mach 3-4 AShMs and 200++ DFs
and CM-401s will carry the good news to keep the 'Muricans on their ships forever young.

You think all those AShMs and DFs and CMs will miss their intended targets?
 

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And then all US air bases and naval bases in Japan and Guam and Diego Garcia and Singapore be rendered inoperational within 10 minutes.

And all assets in the air bases and naval bases hit and destroyed within the next 30 minutes.

All the USA JSTARS and tankers be in flames within an hour.

All carriers within the 3rd Island Chain be burning from end to end.



Remember in just ten minutes, China missiles will destroy all the fucking airbases and naval bases in Japan and Guam. And in the next 30 minutes, Chinese cruise missiles by the thousands will take out whatever the **** the missiles left in Japan.

Whether the mosquito is female or male will also be known.
Your stealth F35s or B1s B2s got smaller radar profile than a mosquito?

Smaller profile than the differences between a male and female mosquitoe?

China Using Radar To Combat Mosquitoes
China is using military technology to wage war ... on mosquitoes

USA or Israeli got any systems able to do that?
Thank you USA for enforcing ban on China in purchasing that from Israel or other countries.
Forcing China to do it all on its own and leaving you either far behind or far far behind.
**And Chinese air weaponary. To splash the air tankers and AWACs and JSTAR USA rely on to direct the fight in the air. And the Stealth planes of USA.**

How China's Clever New Missile Could Cripple American Air Power
China's Mach 6 Monster Air-to-Air Missile Could Make the U.S. Air Force Come in for a ‘Crash Landing’

This is what USA Airforce Secretary got to say in 2018
Air Force secretary: China, Russia could shoot down new JSTARS on day one of a war

There will be no usable bases for USA airforce in Japan or Guam within the first 10 minutes of the war.
First Strike: China's Missile Threat to U.S. Bases in Asia
A Missile 'Pearl Harbor': How China Could Win a War Against America?
Missile Strikes on U.S. Bases in Asia: Is This China's Real Threat to America?
Those bases will all be hit and cratered by DFs with conventional warheads so planes cannot take off.
Go into above to see photos of strikes made by Chinese on model setups in the Western desert of China that represent hardened bunkers for planes and runways and dock settings with models of Burkes and Ticos and the bases HQs to see the pin point targetting of the DFs.



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Naval assets and head quarters will all be hit and sunk and taken out of play.
Then Chinese cruise missiles will fly by the thousands to take out planes still stuck in those bases.
As for shooting war at the sea. And forgetting for time being the DF-21Ds and DF-26Bs and CM-401s that China have and figment of imagination in heads of USA Admirals.
Just on AShMs.
Xi Jinping's Rocket Force is nullifying U.S. military primacy in Asia


Note the DF100s antiship missiles . Revealed only in Oct 2019. Mach 5 and range of 1000 km.


1605064932236.png







https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/chinas-df-100-missile-good-enough-kill-americas-navy-96476


China got 3000++ of Mach 3s YJ-12 and YJ18 to throw against the 11 carriers USA want to bring to their self declared FONOP.
Or at least 300++ Mach 3s on each carrier group.

So more than enough to spare for Japanese destroyers or whatever they got floating on the water and thinking of using on China.

Assuming only 20 % of those will hit. So be assured that at least 10 missiles will hit the carrier and not just 1 missile.
And not just the warhead, there will be 2–3 tons of missiles coming behind the warhead at Mach 3 tearing into the bulkheads and ordnance and aviation fuel and the poor men and women in the carrier. Those 2–3 tons of missile body will be tearing in the bulkheads faster and more deadly then APFSDS. Andf carrying its own unburned fuel to add to the fun.
Even steel will burn when hit with hell fire and tons of steel and debris coming in at Mach 3. The aviation fuel, and paint on walls, the bombs and ordnance will all cook off and add to the huge huge fire inside the carrier. Regardless if carrier under Condition Zebra or Donkey or Jackass.
The brave sailors in those carriers will not care or worry and be happy that their carrier not sinking. And only burning and burning from one end to the other end.



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Just see how China from a moving space satellite tracked and focus and kept in the center of focus a moving rocket after launch of rocket. Can we agree that a moving rocket will be much much faster than a moving airplane?

Can the aircraft carrier move faster than that airplane or speeding rocket?

That same kind of information can be relayed onto DF21D DF26B as to where the carrier is and heading to.

Enough information to hit the medulla oblongata of that carrier.

And do not think 1 DF26B got one warhead only.
Remember the throw weight of DF26B is 1,800 kg, and half of that for DF21D.
A 100 kg of anything coming down at Mach 10 to Mach 15 will be very very bad news for anything that it hit.

It might amuse you all to know not only are there 300++ DF21Ds and DF26Bs.

There is a strong possibility that those are MIRVED. To maximise the chances of your brave sailors you send will remain forever young.

Do take a look at this video of DF26. On top of those 300++ numbers of DFs, DF26 appeared to be MIRVED as well.



And for all you guess, DF21Ds might well be MIRVED as well.

And even if not MIRVED, there are still 300++ of them. You hope, or think, everyone of them will miss? And same for the 3000++ Mach 3 AShMs?

USA ships and planes not going to have any bases west of Pearl Harbour once the shooting start.
nationalinterest.org

Report: China’s ‘Aircraft-Carrier Killer’ Missiles Hit Target Ship in August
The new carrier killers are just part of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) arsenal of missiles, which includes more than 1,250 ground-launched ballistic missiles.



How difficult is it to detect stealth planes and to target them when the quality of radar Chinese are dealing with can be set to detect not just mosquitoes a few kilometers away.

Whether the mosquito is female or male will also be known.

Your stealth F-22 F35s or B1s B2s got smaller radar profile than a mosquito?

Smaller then the difference between a male and female mosquito?

China Using Radar To Combat Mosquitoes

China is using military technology to wage war ... on mosquitoes

USA or Israeli got any systems able to do that?

Thank you USA for enforcing ban on China in purchasing that from Israel or other countries.

Forcing China to do it all on its own and leaving you either far behind or far far behind.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that filters are in place to ignore normal mosquitoes flying at 10 to 20 km per hour. Any mosquito, or bird, flying at 100 mph or faster will be picked up. China got AI recognition to pick up and pin point faces from videos in cities of a few dozen millions.

Picking up F-22 of radar profile of a bird that travel close to Mach 1 will be a piece of cake.

And sending Mach 6 BVRAAMs to take down that fast flying bird.

Will they hope to hide from the Divine Eagles and more? who then will signal to the BVRAAMs to take them down?

https://thaimilitaryandasianregi...

China’s Divine Eagle anti-stealth UAV is probably an interferometer


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10,000 Divine Eagle L-band T/R module interferometer / 1,200 F-35 X-band T/R module AESA radar = Eight times greater sensitivity based on module count

Why does China’s Divine Eagle UAV have a maximum altitude of 79,000 feet?

According to Popular Science, China’s Divine Eagle UAV has a maximum altitude of 25km (or 79,000 feet).

In contrast, the US Global Hawk has a maximum altitude of only 18km (or 57,000 feet).


main-qimg-417c1c3e05f807d164a4560aedd5e516





main-qimg-095e65b1d618fabdeb446bc9cd602c9a




And Chinese Soar Dragon XiangLong

ANOTHER BIG BIRD

The 7-10 ton Xianglong, with some stealthy features, would make an ideal EW drone thanks to its huge size, and lone endurance. Its unique 20 meter joined tandem wings increase its range and on station time.

http://www.top81.cn
, via yexu at China Defense Forum


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The system might also move beyond a surveillance role. Chinese engineers have noted that the Xianglong's large payload, endurance and range makes it ideal for electronic warfare (EW) missions, both for gathering intelligence on electronic activity, as well as carrying jammers to disrupt enemy radars and datalinks. In wartime, the Xianglong's high altitude jammers would seek to disrupt not only the radars of enemy fighters and missiles, but also jam and spoof communications between enemy bombers, airborne early warning and control aircraft, drones and even datalinks between satellites, ships, land based missile launchers and missiles. in such role, the EW Xianglong would operate alongside a host of other Chinese EW aircraft, including Y-9 heavy transport jammers, J-16 and JH-7 strike aircraft, in both offensive and defensive operations.


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3000++ Mach 3-4 AShMs and 200++ DFs
and CM-401s will carry the good news to keep the 'Muricans on their ships forever young.

You think all those AShMs and DFs and CMs will miss their intended targets?
While CN is using all weapons on fighting wt US, Russia may annex more CN land like she took Vladivostok.

CN is a loser.Vladivostok aka Manchurian lands lost for good. :cool:
 
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While CN is using all weapons on fighting wt US, Russia may annex more CN land like she took Vladivostok.

CN is a loser.Vladivostok aka Manchurian lands lost for good. :cool:

Russia has a single highway and a single railroad from European Russia to Siberia. They aren't stupid.

Meanwhile Vietnam is supremely stupid and is now surrounded by hostiles.
 
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While CN is using all weapons on fighting wt US, Russia may annex more CN land like she took Vladivostok.

CN is a loser.Vladivostok aka Manchurian lands lost for good. :cool:
And then you're than only a Cheerleader @Viva_Viet ;) And please do tell me why Russia will annex more Chinese land, give me the sensible reasons about that Mr @Viva_Viet troll:enjoy:
 
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Russia has a single highway and a single railroad from European Russia to Siberia. They aren't stupid.

Meanwhile Vietnam is supremely stupid and is now surrounded by hostiles.
Yeah.just a single way...and they already took away Vladivostok aka Manchurian lands for good :lol:

So whats wrong wt "mighty "CN ?? u have too much land, so everyone can come and take some pieces ??
 
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And then all US air bases and naval bases in Japan and Guam and Diego Garcia and Singapore be rendered inoperational within 10 minutes.

And all assets in the air bases and naval bases hit and destroyed within the next 30 minutes.

All the USA JSTARS and tankers be in flames within an hour.

All carriers within the 3rd Island Chain be burning from end to end.



Remember in just ten minutes, China missiles will destroy all the fucking airbases and naval bases in Japan and Guam. And in the next 30 minutes, Chinese cruise missiles by the thousands will take out whatever the **** the missiles left in Japan.

Whether the mosquito is female or male will also be known.
Your stealth F35s or B1s B2s got smaller radar profile than a mosquito?

Smaller profile than the differences between a male and female mosquitoe?

China Using Radar To Combat Mosquitoes
China is using military technology to wage war ... on mosquitoes

USA or Israeli got any systems able to do that?
Thank you USA for enforcing ban on China in purchasing that from Israel or other countries.
Forcing China to do it all on its own and leaving you either far behind or far far behind.
**And Chinese air weaponary. To splash the air tankers and AWACs and JSTAR USA rely on to direct the fight in the air. And the Stealth planes of USA.**

How China's Clever New Missile Could Cripple American Air Power
China's Mach 6 Monster Air-to-Air Missile Could Make the U.S. Air Force Come in for a ‘Crash Landing’

This is what USA Airforce Secretary got to say in 2018
Air Force secretary: China, Russia could shoot down new JSTARS on day one of a war

There will be no usable bases for USA airforce in Japan or Guam within the first 10 minutes of the war.
First Strike: China's Missile Threat to U.S. Bases in Asia
A Missile 'Pearl Harbor': How China Could Win a War Against America?
Missile Strikes on U.S. Bases in Asia: Is This China's Real Threat to America?
Those bases will all be hit and cratered by DFs with conventional warheads so planes cannot take off.
Go into above to see photos of strikes made by Chinese on model setups in the Western desert of China that represent hardened bunkers for planes and runways and dock settings with models of Burkes and Ticos and the bases HQs to see the pin point targetting of the DFs.



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Naval assets and head quarters will all be hit and sunk and taken out of play.
Then Chinese cruise missiles will fly by the thousands to take out planes still stuck in those bases.
As for shooting war at the sea. And forgetting for time being the DF-21Ds and DF-26Bs and CM-401s that China have and figment of imagination in heads of USA Admirals.
Just on AShMs.
Xi Jinping's Rocket Force is nullifying U.S. military primacy in Asia


Note the DF100s antiship missiles . Revealed only in Oct 2019. Mach 5 and range of 1000 km.


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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/chinas-df-100-missile-good-enough-kill-americas-navy-96476


China got 3000++ of Mach 3s YJ-12 and YJ18 to throw against the 11 carriers USA want to bring to their self declared FONOP.
Or at least 300++ Mach 3s on each carrier group.

So more than enough to spare for Japanese destroyers or whatever they got floating on the water and thinking of using on China.

Assuming only 20 % of those will hit. So be assured that at least 10 missiles will hit the carrier and not just 1 missile.
And not just the warhead, there will be 2–3 tons of missiles coming behind the warhead at Mach 3 tearing into the bulkheads and ordnance and aviation fuel and the poor men and women in the carrier. Those 2–3 tons of missile body will be tearing in the bulkheads faster and more deadly then APFSDS. Andf carrying its own unburned fuel to add to the fun.
Even steel will burn when hit with hell fire and tons of steel and debris coming in at Mach 3. The aviation fuel, and paint on walls, the bombs and ordnance will all cook off and add to the huge huge fire inside the carrier. Regardless if carrier under Condition Zebra or Donkey or Jackass.
The brave sailors in those carriers will not care or worry and be happy that their carrier not sinking. And only burning and burning from one end to the other end.



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Just see how China from a moving space satellite tracked and focus and kept in the center of focus a moving rocket after launch of rocket. Can we agree that a moving rocket will be much much faster than a moving airplane?

Can the aircraft carrier move faster than that airplane or speeding rocket?

That same kind of information can be relayed onto DF21D DF26B as to where the carrier is and heading to.

Enough information to hit the medulla oblongata of that carrier.

And do not think 1 DF26B got one warhead only.
Remember the throw weight of DF26B is 1,800 kg, and half of that for DF21D.
A 100 kg of anything coming down at Mach 10 to Mach 15 will be very very bad news for anything that it hit.

It might amuse you all to know not only are there 300++ DF21Ds and DF26Bs.

There is a strong possibility that those are MIRVED. To maximise the chances of your brave sailors you send will remain forever young.

Do take a look at this video of DF26. On top of those 300++ numbers of DFs, DF26 appeared to be MIRVED as well.



And for all you guess, DF21Ds might well be MIRVED as well.

And even if not MIRVED, there are still 300++ of them. You hope, or think, everyone of them will miss? And same for the 3000++ Mach 3 AShMs?

USA ships and planes not going to have any bases west of Pearl Harbour once the shooting start.
nationalinterest.org

Report: China’s ‘Aircraft-Carrier Killer’ Missiles Hit Target Ship in August
The new carrier killers are just part of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) arsenal of missiles, which includes more than 1,250 ground-launched ballistic missiles.



How difficult is it to detect stealth planes and to target them when the quality of radar Chinese are dealing with can be set to detect not just mosquitoes a few kilometers away.

Whether the mosquito is female or male will also be known.

Your stealth F-22 F35s or B1s B2s got smaller radar profile than a mosquito?

Smaller then the difference between a male and female mosquito?

China Using Radar To Combat Mosquitoes

China is using military technology to wage war ... on mosquitoes

USA or Israeli got any systems able to do that?

Thank you USA for enforcing ban on China in purchasing that from Israel or other countries.

Forcing China to do it all on its own and leaving you either far behind or far far behind.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that filters are in place to ignore normal mosquitoes flying at 10 to 20 km per hour. Any mosquito, or bird, flying at 100 mph or faster will be picked up. China got AI recognition to pick up and pin point faces from videos in cities of a few dozen millions.

Picking up F-22 of radar profile of a bird that travel close to Mach 1 will be a piece of cake.

And sending Mach 6 BVRAAMs to take down that fast flying bird.

Will they hope to hide from the Divine Eagles and more? who then will signal to the BVRAAMs to take them down?

https://thaimilitaryandasianregi...

China’s Divine Eagle anti-stealth UAV is probably an interferometer


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10,000 Divine Eagle L-band T/R module interferometer / 1,200 F-35 X-band T/R module AESA radar = Eight times greater sensitivity based on module count

Why does China’s Divine Eagle UAV have a maximum altitude of 79,000 feet?

According to Popular Science, China’s Divine Eagle UAV has a maximum altitude of 25km (or 79,000 feet).

In contrast, the US Global Hawk has a maximum altitude of only 18km (or 57,000 feet).


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And Chinese Soar Dragon XiangLong

ANOTHER BIG BIRD

The 7-10 ton Xianglong, with some stealthy features, would make an ideal EW drone thanks to its huge size, and lone endurance. Its unique 20 meter joined tandem wings increase its range and on station time.

http://www.top81.cn
, via yexu at China Defense Forum


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The system might also move beyond a surveillance role. Chinese engineers have noted that the Xianglong's large payload, endurance and range makes it ideal for electronic warfare (EW) missions, both for gathering intelligence on electronic activity, as well as carrying jammers to disrupt enemy radars and datalinks. In wartime, the Xianglong's high altitude jammers would seek to disrupt not only the radars of enemy fighters and missiles, but also jam and spoof communications between enemy bombers, airborne early warning and control aircraft, drones and even datalinks between satellites, ships, land based missile launchers and missiles. in such role, the EW Xianglong would operate alongside a host of other Chinese EW aircraft, including Y-9 heavy transport jammers, J-16 and JH-7 strike aircraft, in both offensive and defensive operations.


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3000++ Mach 3-4 AShMs and 200++ DFs
and CM-401s will carry the good news to keep the 'Muricans on their ships forever young.

You think all those AShMs and DFs and CMs will miss their intended targets?
impressive, I could only wonder what the US have in secret.

if china is good the US is always better.
 
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And then all US air bases and naval bases in Japan and Guam and Diego Garcia and Singapore be rendered inoperational within 10 minutes.

And all assets in the air bases and naval bases hit and destroyed within the next 30 minutes.

All the USA JSTARS and tankers be in flames within an hour.

All carriers within the 3rd Island Chain be burning from end to end.



Remember in just ten minutes, China missiles will destroy all the fucking airbases and naval bases in Japan and Guam. And in the next 30 minutes, Chinese cruise missiles by the thousands will take out whatever the **** the missiles left in Japan.

Whether the mosquito is female or male will also be known.
Your stealth F35s or B1s B2s got smaller radar profile than a mosquito?

Smaller profile than the differences between a male and female mosquitoe?

China Using Radar To Combat Mosquitoes
China is using military technology to wage war ... on mosquitoes

USA or Israeli got any systems able to do that?
Thank you USA for enforcing ban on China in purchasing that from Israel or other countries.
Forcing China to do it all on its own and leaving you either far behind or far far behind.
**And Chinese air weaponary. To splash the air tankers and AWACs and JSTAR USA rely on to direct the fight in the air. And the Stealth planes of USA.**

How China's Clever New Missile Could Cripple American Air Power
China's Mach 6 Monster Air-to-Air Missile Could Make the U.S. Air Force Come in for a ‘Crash Landing’

This is what USA Airforce Secretary got to say in 2018
Air Force secretary: China, Russia could shoot down new JSTARS on day one of a war

There will be no usable bases for USA airforce in Japan or Guam within the first 10 minutes of the war.
First Strike: China's Missile Threat to U.S. Bases in Asia
A Missile 'Pearl Harbor': How China Could Win a War Against America?
Missile Strikes on U.S. Bases in Asia: Is This China's Real Threat to America?
Those bases will all be hit and cratered by DFs with conventional warheads so planes cannot take off.
Go into above to see photos of strikes made by Chinese on model setups in the Western desert of China that represent hardened bunkers for planes and runways and dock settings with models of Burkes and Ticos and the bases HQs to see the pin point targetting of the DFs.



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Naval assets and head quarters will all be hit and sunk and taken out of play.
Then Chinese cruise missiles will fly by the thousands to take out planes still stuck in those bases.
As for shooting war at the sea. And forgetting for time being the DF-21Ds and DF-26Bs and CM-401s that China have and figment of imagination in heads of USA Admirals.
Just on AShMs.
Xi Jinping's Rocket Force is nullifying U.S. military primacy in Asia


Note the DF100s antiship missiles . Revealed only in Oct 2019. Mach 5 and range of 1000 km.


1605064932236.png







https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/chinas-df-100-missile-good-enough-kill-americas-navy-96476


China got 3000++ of Mach 3s YJ-12 and YJ18 to throw against the 11 carriers USA want to bring to their self declared FONOP.
Or at least 300++ Mach 3s on each carrier group.

So more than enough to spare for Japanese destroyers or whatever they got floating on the water and thinking of using on China.

Assuming only 20 % of those will hit. So be assured that at least 10 missiles will hit the carrier and not just 1 missile.
And not just the warhead, there will be 2–3 tons of missiles coming behind the warhead at Mach 3 tearing into the bulkheads and ordnance and aviation fuel and the poor men and women in the carrier. Those 2–3 tons of missile body will be tearing in the bulkheads faster and more deadly then APFSDS. Andf carrying its own unburned fuel to add to the fun.
Even steel will burn when hit with hell fire and tons of steel and debris coming in at Mach 3. The aviation fuel, and paint on walls, the bombs and ordnance will all cook off and add to the huge huge fire inside the carrier. Regardless if carrier under Condition Zebra or Donkey or Jackass.
The brave sailors in those carriers will not care or worry and be happy that their carrier not sinking. And only burning and burning from one end to the other end.



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Just see how China from a moving space satellite tracked and focus and kept in the center of focus a moving rocket after launch of rocket. Can we agree that a moving rocket will be much much faster than a moving airplane?

Can the aircraft carrier move faster than that airplane or speeding rocket?

That same kind of information can be relayed onto DF21D DF26B as to where the carrier is and heading to.

Enough information to hit the medulla oblongata of that carrier.

And do not think 1 DF26B got one warhead only.
Remember the throw weight of DF26B is 1,800 kg, and half of that for DF21D.
A 100 kg of anything coming down at Mach 10 to Mach 15 will be very very bad news for anything that it hit.

It might amuse you all to know not only are there 300++ DF21Ds and DF26Bs.

There is a strong possibility that those are MIRVED. To maximise the chances of your brave sailors you send will remain forever young.

Do take a look at this video of DF26. On top of those 300++ numbers of DFs, DF26 appeared to be MIRVED as well.



And for all you guess, DF21Ds might well be MIRVED as well.

And even if not MIRVED, there are still 300++ of them. You hope, or think, everyone of them will miss? And same for the 3000++ Mach 3 AShMs?

USA ships and planes not going to have any bases west of Pearl Harbour once the shooting start.
nationalinterest.org

Report: China’s ‘Aircraft-Carrier Killer’ Missiles Hit Target Ship in August
The new carrier killers are just part of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) arsenal of missiles, which includes more than 1,250 ground-launched ballistic missiles.



How difficult is it to detect stealth planes and to target them when the quality of radar Chinese are dealing with can be set to detect not just mosquitoes a few kilometers away.

Whether the mosquito is female or male will also be known.

Your stealth F-22 F35s or B1s B2s got smaller radar profile than a mosquito?

Smaller then the difference between a male and female mosquito?

China Using Radar To Combat Mosquitoes

China is using military technology to wage war ... on mosquitoes

USA or Israeli got any systems able to do that?

Thank you USA for enforcing ban on China in purchasing that from Israel or other countries.

Forcing China to do it all on its own and leaving you either far behind or far far behind.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that filters are in place to ignore normal mosquitoes flying at 10 to 20 km per hour. Any mosquito, or bird, flying at 100 mph or faster will be picked up. China got AI recognition to pick up and pin point faces from videos in cities of a few dozen millions.

Picking up F-22 of radar profile of a bird that travel close to Mach 1 will be a piece of cake.

And sending Mach 6 BVRAAMs to take down that fast flying bird.

Will they hope to hide from the Divine Eagles and more? who then will signal to the BVRAAMs to take them down?

https://thaimilitaryandasianregi...

China’s Divine Eagle anti-stealth UAV is probably an interferometer


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10,000 Divine Eagle L-band T/R module interferometer / 1,200 F-35 X-band T/R module AESA radar = Eight times greater sensitivity based on module count

Why does China’s Divine Eagle UAV have a maximum altitude of 79,000 feet?

According to Popular Science, China’s Divine Eagle UAV has a maximum altitude of 25km (or 79,000 feet).

In contrast, the US Global Hawk has a maximum altitude of only 18km (or 57,000 feet).


main-qimg-417c1c3e05f807d164a4560aedd5e516





main-qimg-095e65b1d618fabdeb446bc9cd602c9a




And Chinese Soar Dragon XiangLong

ANOTHER BIG BIRD

The 7-10 ton Xianglong, with some stealthy features, would make an ideal EW drone thanks to its huge size, and lone endurance. Its unique 20 meter joined tandem wings increase its range and on station time.

http://www.top81.cn
, via yexu at China Defense Forum


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The system might also move beyond a surveillance role. Chinese engineers have noted that the Xianglong's large payload, endurance and range makes it ideal for electronic warfare (EW) missions, both for gathering intelligence on electronic activity, as well as carrying jammers to disrupt enemy radars and datalinks. In wartime, the Xianglong's high altitude jammers would seek to disrupt not only the radars of enemy fighters and missiles, but also jam and spoof communications between enemy bombers, airborne early warning and control aircraft, drones and even datalinks between satellites, ships, land based missile launchers and missiles. in such role, the EW Xianglong would operate alongside a host of other Chinese EW aircraft, including Y-9 heavy transport jammers, J-16 and JH-7 strike aircraft, in both offensive and defensive operations.


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3000++ Mach 3-4 AShMs and 200++ DFs
and CM-401s will carry the good news to keep the 'Muricans on their ships forever young.

You think all those AShMs and DFs and CMs will miss their intended targets?

Whilst china has advanced militarily there is no doubt......its indigenous systems have not been battle tested.

Whilst i doubt USN has the capacity to eliminate all PLAN assets in 72 hours.... i also have doubt that PLAN would really be able to put up that much of a fight before being overwhelmed.

There will be some casualties for USN but they will win comprehensively. China is not there yet to challenge USN.

However this is all mute.....china is not going to risk everything for tiny taiwan. Eventually taiwan will rejoin china.....there really is no need for a war over something so insignificant.
 
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This means submarine warfare/ASW to protect the fleet.

They don't want to risk the US attack subs, so wanted to use many unmanned sub to take out the entire Chinese fleet of hundreds of ships/subs.

My strategy of underwater navy protects from air, missile attack was true and the pentagon agrees.

Why I have been saying that China needs 1000s of 039s. Produce 50 a year, and within 25 years, China has over 1000 SSKs. Keep upgrading the variants every 5 year or so years.

If NK can have almost 100 subs, albeit most midget, China is 50 times the size of NK with a better economy. That means China can have 5000 midget subs easily at NK economy size. Maybe 10000 or more. So 1000 SSKs would not be too much.

Those who knocked the 056 ASW corvettes, give some respect to these little guys. Looks like you need more and more capable of taking out unmanned subs. Bring back the 037 subchasers. Make 1000s of those little guys, more advanced with the sole purpose to defend from unmanned subs at long range. You need swarms to defeat their swarms.

Russia is about 1/8 of China, has over 60 submarines, most of which are over 10000 tons.

China is barely trying and has the largest navy. And they are going to have to think outside the box, even more than me, to keep them safe.

Chinese variable depth sonar can detect your submarine long before it is able to get within range to launch a Mk-48 torpedo. Once detected, the sub becomes an easy target for Y-8Q or Z-20F ASW aircraft. A Virginia-class submarine is a multi-billion dollar ship with a crew of 135. Do you really want to lose that against a small Chinese corvette or frigate?
 
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It is not that China has not had a war with the United States. In the eyes of the Chinese people, the United States is just a paper tiger. A so-called superpower that even Iran dares not attack will only scare those small countries. For China, the United States can only scream.
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