3 Reasons Modi Is Misguided on Pakistan

[s.k]

Translate it to @cirr that you were only "poking fun" when your Politician threatened close to 1 Billion Hindus of Nuclear Holocaust!!!

He still seems to think that India is the most belligerent country. Weird logic, these guys have got!!!

why yu people scare of it ? we are just kidding, yu got it ?

 

[s.k]

Of all....
Any evidence that Kashmir is Pakistani land?
Why then Pakistan is fighting ?

What does Simla Agreement say?
Why not follow that?

Convince me on above then I come back for yours (Questions)

does nehru told yu that kashmir is indian land ?

 

[kadamba-warrior]

why yu people scare of it ? we are just kidding, yu got it ?

Take that @cirr

Another belligerent "Indian" trivializing Nuclear Holocaust!!!

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

We had gud relationship b4 1962,India vouched for China to be a permanent member in UN sc if u may remember....

You do remember hosting the Tibetan government in exile in 1959 right? Directly after their failed violent uprising against China in the same year?

And then this?

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war - The Times of India

We never declared you as an enemy... even after you attacked us during the worst famine in our history. You were the ones who declared that we were your enemies.

 

[enquencher]

It's none of the business of the chinkies here...u better take your *** of here..n u need to stop your habbit of fingerings others arse...go n show ur shitty face in some chinise tread..

 

[Raul_AD]

3 Reasons Modi Is Misguided on Pakistan

Modi’s hardline policy towards Pakistan needs to be backed by substantive engagement.

By David J. Karl

The new Indian government has pursued a noticeably harder line toward Pakistan-based terrorism than its predecessor. During the recent electoral campaign, Prime Minister Narendra Modi called for a “zero-tolerance policy” and promised to “Talk to Pakistan in Pakistan’s language because it won’t learn lessons until then.” He has responded to the ongoing firefights along the Kashmir divide with aggressive shelling. Consonant with his tough-guy image, he boasts that “The enemy has realised that times have changed and their old habits will not be tolerated,” and displaying his skill in wordplay he proclaims that “This is not the time for empty talk [‘boli’] … but for bullet [‘goli’] for our soldiers.”

Mr. Modi’s National Security Advisor, Ajit Doval, stated last week that while New Delhi is willing to talk with Islamabad, “effective deterrence” is key to dealing with Pakistan. Referring to the cross-border skirmishes in Kashmir, Indian Defense Minister Arun Jaitley similarly warns that “Our conventional strength is far more than theirs and therefore if they persist with this, the cost to them would be unaffordable. They will also feel the pain of this kind of adventurism.” And a senior government official reports that “The prime minister’s office has instructed us to ensure that Pakistan suffers deep and heavy losses.”

The merits of this tougher posture have sparked a lively debate within India. Some observers caution that “machismo has never worked as a plan against Pakistan” and that an approach based solely on coercion is “a dangerous game” that could easily spin out of control. A former Indian envoy to Pakistan contends that a policy of escalatory response is “what the Pakistani army wants and we are falling into this trap.” Others, however, argue (here, here and here) that Mr. Modi has no choice but to reply robustly to what are deliberate Pakistani tests of his resolve.

But beyond this debate, there are other problems associated with Modi’s new line toward Pakistan that have so far escaped much notice. The first is that the coercive policy does not differentiate between jihadi groups over which Pakistan has some control and those that operate entirely in defiance of the Pakistani state and view triggering conflict between New Delhi and Islamabad as a way to advance their own interests.

This problem is rooted in what can be called the Sorcerer’s Apprentice syndrome, from Goethe’s classic tale about the dangers of Pakistan’s habit of conjuring up proxies it cannot ultimately handle. A timely example occurred two months ago when jihadi forces assaulted a naval dockyard in Karachi, apparently with the aim of seizing a Pakistani frigate that would be used to attack Indian warships with anti-ship missiles. So far, New Delhi shows no evidence of even recognizing the deterrence conundrum raised by such actions.

The risks of this approach are compounded by a second, even more basic, problem. The Modi government seems to believe that it can pursue a get-tough approach without the bother of engaging Islamabad diplomatically. Despite Modi’s active courting of India’s other neighbors, a leading spokesman of his political party argues that New Delhi has no interest or reason to focus on Pakistan until Islamabad proves its credibility as a negotiating partner by lifting the shadow of terrorism. According to media reports, Modi’s government is in no mood to take the first step to de-escalate cross-border tensions or resume diplomatic talks.

In August, New Delhi abruptly cancelled foreign secretary-level talks on the grounds that the Pakistani ambassador had continued with the longstanding practice of meeting with Kashmiri separatists. This reaction may have been right in principle. But in practical terms, it amounted to a demand that Pakistan – which draws much of its national identity from the Kashmir conflict – make a significant diplomatic concession without receiving anything of importance in return. This was certainly no deal that any civilian government in Islamabad could accept as the price for merely beginning a conversation with Modi’s team, much less one that was then embroiled in a deep political crisis at home and uncertain of the military leadership’s allegiances.

More recently, New Delhi has rebuffed other diplomatic overtures from Islamabad and Mr. Modi failed to take the time to meet with Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif when both were in New York for last month’s annual conclave of the U.N. General Assembly.

Indeed, the Indian government is in danger of becoming captive to its hawkish rhetoric. Defense Minister Jaitley emphasizes that “Of course we can talk to Pakistan, but it is up to Pakistan to create an atmosphere for talks.” Given the turmoil inside Pakistan, it will be difficult to start any sort of meaningful dialogue with Islamabad as long as that condition is strictly insisted upon.

A third problem is even more fundamental. Mr. Modi appears to believe he can revitalize India’s great-power prospects without the trouble of reaching a basic accommodation with Pakistan. Yet New Delhi’s continuous ructions with Islamabad have constantly proven vexatious to its larger ambitions. They sap precious national resources (including the armed forces) and divert the attention of those leaders who prefer to look to larger arenas. They also create a paradox: India yearns for a place in the first ranks of world power and yet cannot establish much sway over its own neighbors. Despite the common civilizational and historical links that permeate South Asia, New Delhi has been unable to integrate the region in the same way that Beijing has economically stitched together the much more culturally diverse and geographically disperse East Asian area.

Ignoring Pakistan may well score short-term political points at home but it is a poor strategy for the longer-term items on Mr. Modi’s agenda.

Crafting the right blend of deterrence credibility and substantive engagement with rival states is a hard task for any government. But so far, the Modi government seems fixated one objective while paying little heed to the other.
David J. Karl is president of the Asia Strategy Initiative, an analysis and advisory firm, and heads its practice on South Asia.
3 Reasons Modi Is Misguided on Pakistan | The Diplomat

Oh God!!! What a huge lecture to India & Modi for engaging with Pakistan. But, But failed to provide One Single Reason Why? Why? Why? India should engage with Pakistan?

If India not engaged then what Pakistan will do?????

1) Will send not state actors to India - Hell Pakistan is already sending Terrorists to India since past 30 Years.

2) Will breach Ceasefire along International Border (Pakis - calls is Working Boundary) & LOC - Hell Ceasefire is broken by Pak every year to infiltrate Terrorist across the Border.

3) Will go to UN and internationalise the Kashmir Issue - Hell Pakistan has run pillar and post (UN, US, P5, China) in recent times after border skirmishes.

4) Will drag India into a War - Hell every Decade Pakistan Drags India to a War.

Weather India engages with Pakistan or not its NON-STATE ACTORS will always wage war with India. OP himself mentions :

This problem is rooted in what can be called the Sorcerer’s Apprentice syndrome, from Goethe’s classic tale about the dangers of Pakistan’s habit of conjuring up proxies it cannot ultimately handle

. A timely example occurred two months ago when jihadi forces assaulted a naval dockyard in Karachi, apparently with the aim of seizing a Pakistani frigate that would be used to attack Indian warships with anti-ship missiles. So far, New Delhi shows no evidence of even recognizing the deterrence conundrum raised by such actions.

It is better for India to PAINT WHOLE PAKISTAN IN BLACK RATHER THEN SHEDS OF GRAYS AND THEN PUT EFFORT IN FINDING "WHICH SHED OF GREY IS CLOSEST TO BLACK".

It will immensely help India in finding the disturbing elements and deal with it decisively.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

You do remember hosting the Tibetan government in exile in 1959 right? Directly after their failed violent uprising against China in the same year?

And then this?

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war - The Times of India

We never declared you as an enemy... even after you attacked us during the worst famine in our history. You were the ones who declared that we were your enemies.

Is this the reason you constantly and blindly peddle anti-Indian views, even when you don't have sufficient evidence to back them up??? Shouldn't you be basing your views instead on proof and logic, instead?

You do realize that you haven't provided any evidence for your assertion for India's role in LOC violations, don't you??

 

[Tshering22]

When Modi said "the enemy is screaming", who was he talking about?

Since apparently they were shelling civilian villages along the LOC?

Enemy is anyone who attacks India.

Friend is anyone who is good with India.

Simple as that. No names. No mentions.

 

[narcon]

does nehru told yu that kashmir is indian land ?

So why is Pakistan fighting India instead of knocking UNO doors?

Then:

Simla Agreement:

Both countries will "settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations"

Why did you sign such bilateral agreement on first place?

 

[45'22']

You do remember hosting the Tibetan government in exile in 1959 right? Directly after their failed violent uprising against China in the same year?

And then this?

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war - The Times of India

We never declared you as an enemy... even after you attacked us during the worst famine in our history. You were the ones who declared that we were your enemies.

Okay....let's take it ur way
India declared China enemy and declared a war
So what ur doing now is a response to that....abetting a country who believes in terrorism and the concept of bleeding by thousand cuts
Is it worth it...

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I'm confused, since the Indians here keep saying they don't openly call any country an enemy.

Yet the Indian Defence Minister George Fernandes said "China is India's number one enemy".

And just recently after the border shelling, Modi kept saying "The enemy is screaming!"

So, what's going on?

Maybe India is a rogue country and an alliance of Pakistan and China can jointly correct this injustice on humanity and the world at large.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Maybe India is a rogue country and an alliance of Pakistan and China can jointly correct this injustice on humanity and the world at large.

Notice how he is evading my questions so far!!!

He barged into this thread accusing Indians of shelling Pakistani Villages specifically. When I asked him for evidence, he has shut it since. Bigot of the highest order!!!

 

[45'22']

Notice how he is evading my questions so far!!!

He barged into this thread accusing Indians of shelling Pakistani Villages specifically. When I asked him for evidence, he has shut it since. Bigot of the highest order!!!

Even he knows d truth
And he can't defend it

 

[SrNair]

They were more than capable of replying to India, shelling you guys in return.

But I remember India crying over all those "Chinese incursions" recently. How come mighty Modi wasn't able to do anything about that?

Chinese did it for once when your Xi was in India ,sending 1000 soldiers and our GoI send 1500 soldiers in return.
AFAIK from neutral source Chinese wind up their drama show.

 

[SrNair]

They are in denial regarding almost all of their neighbors hating their guts. Such denial is a sweet poison.

Entire world know who is in denial