3 martyred while thwarting cross border terrorist attack from Afghanistan at Kharsin Sector

[Irfan Baloch]

I agree with you totally. People here act childishly. IEA is struggling to control ISIS-K. They cannot make TTP enemy and be sandwich between them.

Turning Afghanistan into barren and unstable land will harm us most. Evil begets evil. If we turn afghanistan into hell (by snaction, bobardment), no angel is coming out of it but more khawarji.

Pakistan should make new Aghan refugee camps and eradictae previous. Only allow those afghan to live who have complete biometric. Expel the rest if they don't agree. Limit those Afghans to these new camps. Patrol the border with UAVs and have jet UAVs on standby for any attack or hot pursuit.

@PanzerKiel @Counter-Errorist @Irfan Baloch
Is there any chance US wants instable afghanistan to destablise cetral asia? @Paul2 I heard there was a clash between Kazaq and Uygur refugees/settlers in Kazaqistan? There was also a regime change move in Kaziqistan with 'pr-democratic' protests?

Therefore, ruleless Afghanstan can be a problem to Iran, Pakistan, Tajikistan, etc and then to Russia and China.

Democrats examples from Vietnam rolling thunder to troop surges in Afghanistan show that they are no less in warmongering if not more than their political rival Republicans.


short answer is yes, to your question about American interest in instability in our neighbourhood.

example to support this argument is Ukranian crises and American unhinged NATO expansion.

Reading some of the comments in this thread killed a few of my braincells.

you lucky person.
I got none left.

 

[ziaulislam]

some of us weren't that naïve.. and knew exactly what that would entail..

What would it entail???

Pakistanis were celebrating because their hands will not be tied, they can put both diplomatic & military pressure, they can act
Act they did..yiu are seeing strikes and ground ops which would have benn impossible with NDS/USA

 

[S.Y.A]

There was also a regime change move in Kaziqistan with 'pr-democratic' protests?

i dont think that has got anything to do with usa. just people trying to get free of the russian puppet elite who have been ruling them for decades.

 

[Goenitz]

i dont think that has got anything to do with usa. just people trying to get free of the russian puppet elite who have been ruling them for decades.

US will always want and seek anyone who can be used against its enemy. Like for sure people are fed up but can be given assitance from all russian enemy.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Near a 100 people attacking a single checkpost, this has got to be a cause for concern now for our military establishment.

The Army leadership needs to stop acting like Lord High Emperor and stop violating the constitution and overthrowing elected governments in order for things like this to be a ‘cause for concern’.

Given that the Pashtun Tribal belt is a hotspot for these attacks and IK is extremely popular in KP (as well as the rest of Pakistan). I’m not sure how the Establishment thinks there will not be long term negative repercussions from their plan to conspire with the US & PDM to sideline Imran Khan and the PTI.

Imran Khan and the PTI’s brand of Pakistani nationalism was the best counter to secessionist forces and ideologies in Pakistan - and the Army leadership has thrown that away, along with their own credibility and support.

I expect they will be hunted down shortly.

Will that be before or after the Army leadership is done committing treason and manipulating and conspiring in domestic politics to sideline the PTI & Imran Khan?

 

[Rafi]

The Army leadership needs to stop acting like Lord High Emperor and stop violating the constitution and overthrowing elected governments in order for things like this to be a ‘cause for concern’.

Given that the Pashtun Tribal belt is a hotspot for these attacks and IK is extremely popular in KP (as well as the rest of Pakistan). I’m not sure how the Establishment thinks there will not be long term negative repercussions from their plan to conspire with the US & PDM to sideline Imran Khan and the PTI.

Imran Khan and the PTI’s brand of Pakistani nationalism was the best counter to secessionist forces and ideologies in Pakistan - and the Army leadership has thrown that away, along with their own credibility and support.


Will that be before or after the Army leadership is done committing treason and manipulating and conspiring in domestic politics to sideline the PTI & Imran Khan?

LoL his coalition partners left him, end or story, there was no conspiracy, so you want the Army to manipulate the smaller parties to stay in his coalition, how is that them staying put of politics, you aren't making much sense.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

LoL his coalition partners left him, end or story, there was no conspiracy, so you want the Army to manipulate the smaller parties to stay in his coalition, how is that them staying put of politics, you aren't making much sense.

Please stop insulting our intelligence. The Army communicated to the opposition and smaller parties that they would have to leave and that the Army would support the NCM. That’s how they interfered, along with pressuring the courts to prevent the NCM from failing and avoiding fresh elections.

Even the media has given up on this pathetic excuse and everyone is openly taking about the Army refusing to allow immediate elections and likely actively rigging them (whenever they are held) to prevent IK from returning to power (or disqualifying him via ECP & courts).

I’ll believe the Army had nothing to do with conspiring to overthrow the PTI government and installing a corrupt PDM regime if/when the PTI returns to power with an absolute majority.

 

[Rafi]

Please stop insulting our intelligence. The Army communicated to the opposition and smaller parties that they would have to leave and that the Army would support the NCM. That’s how they interfered, along with pressuring the courts to prevent the NCM from failing and avoiding fresh elections.

Even the media has given up on this pathetic excuse and everyone is openly taking about the Army refusing to allow immediate elections and likely actively rigging them (whenever they are held) to prevent IK from returning to power (or disqualifying him via ECP & courts).

I’ll believe the Army had nothing to do with conspiring to overthrow the PTI government and installing a corrupt PDM regime if/when the PTI returns to power with an absolute majority.

LoL the smaller parties are in the coalition for self interest, they left because the opposition at the time offered them better terms.

You want Intel to keep IK coalition intact, and also want them to stay away from politics, which is it.

 

[Mirzah]

Some good news

https://twitter.com/x/status/1518243541952176128

https://twitter.com/x/status/1518252133736644610

 

[EternalMortal]

Unless IEA takes action, this is going to be a forever war. The only way to end this would be a war of attrition. In other words fight until there's no more TTP to fight. But to do that you need to end or cripple their recruitment. So that's the question we should be asking ourselves. What is making these ppl fight against us?

Ethnonationalism? Focus on building schools & teach the children pakistaniyat. Use all types of media to attack & insult ethnonationalists & their ideology. Make people value religion more than their ethnicity. Tie islam & Pakistan together.

Islam? Zaid Hamid has got it on point here. They have coopted the religion narrative.
1st, we need to reform our policies & political system & make it fully in line with islam, whatever this entails. We already have laws for blasphemy & hudood. We're not some liberal country so it won't be huge change. And no, this doesn't mean we let mullahs rule us or start policing & forcing women to wear niqabs or something.
2nd, start using the term khawarij. And make sure every Pakistani knows the hadith about khawarij. Use the narrative that khawarij are an enemy of Rasulullah (Saws) & muslim ummah.

 

[TheSolution]

Unless IEA takes action, this is going to be a forever war. The only way to end this would be a war of attrition. In other words fight until there's no more TTP to fight. But to do that you need to end or cripple their recruitment. So that's the question we should be asking ourselves. What is making these ppl fight against us?

Ethnonationalism? Focus on building schools & teach the children pakistaniyat. Use all types of media to attack & insult ethnonationalists & their ideology. Make people value religion more than their ethnicity. Tie islam & Pakistan together.

Islam? Zaid Hamid has got it on point here. They have coopted the religion narrative.
1st, we need to reform our policies & political system & make it fully in line with islam, whatever this entails. We already have laws for blasphemy & hudood. We're not some liberal country so it won't be huge change. And no, this doesn't mean we let mullahs rule us or start policing & forcing women to wear niqabs or something.
2nd, start using the term khawarij. And make sure every Pakistani knows the hadith about khawarij. Use the narrative that khawarij are an enemy of Rasulullah (Saws) & muslim ummah.

You're playing with fire here trying to weaponise Islam, you realise this form of using it to your advantage is just going to create radicalism?

The same radicalism that garners support for TTP like terror groups.

It can just as easily break your country than bring it together, Islam should be taught in a moderate manner, all terror activity needs to staunchly be taught as immoral and completely inacceptable.

The trick here is to create an environment where they are loyal to the state.

They should feel inclusive in the state, with equal representation and as if their voices are being heard. Teach them about their ethnic historical figures in context of the history of Pakistan. Loyalists who belonged to the same group as them. Past dictators, PMs, COAS, soldiers, pilots, Presidents.

 

[EternalMortal]

You're playing with fire here trying to weaponise Islam, you realise this form of using it to your advantage is just going to create radicalism?

The same radicalism that garners support for TTP like terror groups.

It can just as easily break your country than bring it together, Islam should be taught in a moderate manner, all terror activity needs to staunchly be taught as immoral and completely inacceptable.

The trick here is to create an environment where they are loyal to the state.

They should feel inclusive in the state, with equal representation and as if their voices are being heard. Teach them about their ethnic historical figures in context of the history of Pakistan. Loyalists who belonged to the same group as them. Past dictators, PMs, COAS, soldiers, pilots, Presidents.

I'm not "weaponizing" islam. I'm saying that this system we have is not completely islamic so we shouldn't let TTP have the advantage in religious narrative. Remember this is the source of majority of their support. Teaching islam is not weaponizing it. Furthermore, Islam also teaches moderation & patience. Are we also "weaponizing" Pakistaniyat when we teach our history & culture in school?

The reason you have mullahs & khawarij running around is b/c state has no religious narrative. State has ceded this space to any moron off the street who decides he wants to be a maulvi.

Teaching about how terrorism is wrong hasn't worked for the last 70 odd yrs. You know why? B/c "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". Do you think they care that their actions are wrong? No, obviously not. They still do it b/c they have an ideological goal.

You think they're going to care about historical figures from their ethnicity that were loyal to Pakistan if they don't agree with the existence of the state to begin with? Or if they think they were just puppets perpetuating an "unislamic" system?

 

[TheSolution]

I'm not "weaponizing" islam. I'm saying that this system we have is not completely islamic so we shouldn't let TTP have the advantage in religious narrative. Remember this is the source of majority of their support. Teaching islam is not weaponizing it. Furthermore, Islam also teaches moderation & patience. Are we also "weaponizing" Pakistaniyat when we teach our history & culture in school?

Teaching about how terrorism is wrong hasn't worked for the last 70 odd yrs. You know why? B/c "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". Do you think they care that their actions are wrong? No, obviously not. They still do it b/c they have an ideological goal.

You think they're going to care about historical figures from their ethnicity that were loyal to Pakistan if they don't agree with the existence of the state to begin with? Or if they think they were just puppets perpetuating an "unislamic" system?

Okay, so what do you propose in Pakistan?

Do you want Sharia Law?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

LoL the smaller parties are in the coalition for self interest, they left because the opposition at the time offered them better terms.

You want Intel to keep IK coalition intact, and also want them to stay away from politics, which is it.

Staying away from politics would mean that the Army leadership shouldn’t have conspired to overthrow a democratically elected PTI government and installed a corrupt PDM regime and therefore committed treason.

Now that they have done that, yes, the responsibility lies with the same Army leadership to fix the mess they created and make sure free and fair elections are held - and we know that the PTI would win free and fair elections.

 

[EternalMortal]

Okay, so what do you propose in Pakistan?

Do you want Sharia Law?

We already have hudood & blasphemy laws. How can you be opposed to everything else? lol Like these are laws ppl consider one of the most illiberal.

Our constitution says laws should be according to islam. The CII is supposed to determine whether laws are in line with islam. How do you think they do it? It's basically sharia already only informally. But parts of the law are leftover from British era.

Sharia doesn't mean Taliban style ruling btw. The laws they make are based on their own ethnocultural environment. Sharia takes this into account. We don't have to copy their laws & methods. Version of Sharia in Pakistan will naturally be different.