3 blasts at Lahore’s culture centre jangle nerves

[Awesome]

Any more details on the people killed/injured? I think this is the Ferozpur road area near Mazung Chungi in old Lahore.

Sigh... Too close to home.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

The method of delivery.




Keep in mind that fake number plate indicating an official government vehicle was used to infiltrate into the area.

 

[Awesome]

Dude, S-2, chill out man. The admin team has already given their message, further comments would only lead to provocation at a time of anxiety and sadness.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

Gosh Kharian Beast, after A.M.'s pointed admonition to "...back them up with logic, facts and sources.", I'd like to know a bit more about this-

"Classic RAW operation, probably due to the influx of spies recently."

Like you'd know. ISI counter-intelligence keep you on the speed-dial?

Wow.

Well to be fair I pointed this out before A.M.'s pointed admonitions, and yes I do have my reasonings, none of which can be corroborated via wikipedia so with regards to giving you more information I will have to plead the 5th until the correct agencies have conducted their own investigations. Anyways detonating a truck filled with explosives is not exactly an every day event in this part of Lahore, the operation was very subtle and professional indeed. From past trends and methods applied, I can tell you who probably did not do it (Taliban). That crosses off a majority of the suspect list.

 

[IceCold]

Alright guys - while I understand the temptation to hurl allegations at the Indians as a tit for tat, can we get back to sensible posting now?

Do realize that we get a lot of visitors from the outside India and Pakistan as well, especially the West. Heck, def.pk got put on CNN mistakenly as the Army's 'official website' at one point last year.

I believe we had Brian Cloughley the author and commentator on here a while back, looking for some material for his book.

The point is, as senior members and seasoned debaters, you have a responsibility to project Pakistan, Pakistanis and this forum in as good a light as possible.

By that I do not mean that you need to pull punches or hide or moderate your opinions, but that you need to express them with civility, and back them up with logic, facts and sources.

Debating and creating good arguments is an art (one that I am still a novice at myself), and you have to really apply yourself and often control your gut instinct to merely rubbish an opposing POV, without actually proving it to be rubbish, or at least severely undermining its credibility.

Thanks for listening, lecture over.

AM this isnt a tit for tat contest that we are having here. While i agree that as far as the current blast is concerned, final report is still to come, however these incidents are not occuring out of the blue. Moreover there are numerous government findings in which they have repeatedly said that an out side hand is involved and as for myself i was just piointing out to that fact, instead of saying an outside hand we need to be more specific, we know who's the real enemy and what are those consulates in afghanistan doing, we just need to raise our voice to the right ears otherwise as happened before we raised it to the wrong end(US) and it was all lost and we all know why.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

AM this isnt a tit for tat contest that we are having here. While i agree that as far as the current blast is concerned, final report is still to come, however these incidents are not occuring out of the blue. Moreover there are numerous government findings in which they have repeatedly said that an out side hand is involved and as for myself i was just piointing out to that fact, instead of saying an outside hand we need to be more specific, we know who's the real enemy and what are those consulates in afghanistan doing, we just need to raise our voice to the right ears otherwise as happened before we raised it to the wrong end(US) and it was all lost and we all know why.

They may not be occurring out of the blue, but at the very least you should realize that immediately blaming the Indians is exactly the sort of thing we accuse them of.

The interior minister just came out with his report on the Marrito blast which indicates that the Lashkar-e-Janghvi (a Sunni sectarian extremist organization - and an off shoot of the Sipah-e-Sahaba, for those unfamiliar) was responsible.

Wouldn't you say that there are similarities between the two incidents, the Marriot and this attack?

 

[IceCold]

They may not be occurring out of the blue, but at the very least you should realize that immediately blaming the Indians is exactly the sort of thing we accuse them of.

Not really why because unlike India we dont accuse them everytime something happens in Pakistan, as far as this incident is concerned like i said we should wait however just look at the timing of this incident. India is trying to mount pressure on Pakistan and they will follow every dirty trick in the book that there is to follow to bend Pakistan to Indian demands. Same is also true for the US example is the killing of chinese citizens only in gawadar.

The interior minister just came out with his report on the Marrito blast which indicates that the Lashkar-e-Janghvi (a Sunni sectarian extremist organization - and an off shoot of the Sipah-e-Sahaba, for those unfamiliar) was responsible.

I dont buy it, beacuse it was the same interory ministery that said that an out side hand in involved, also we should not forget that there are these so called islamic groups that are actually sponsored by RAW to commit such acts in Pakistan and this has been on the record by the same interior ministery.

Wouldn't you say that there are similarities between the two incidents, the Marriot and this attack?

There maybe a similarity however the sofistication of the attack, using a government no vehicle does not seem to be a job of rag tag suecide bomber. For them heaven is far more important for which they will not waste a truck, rather their own life.

 

[Patriot]

My cousin lives there..I was at his home.I could have died if i was outside .

 

[Awesome]

Another bomb laiden car blasts in Karachi

Explosives in vehicle cause blast in F.B. Area - GEO.tv

 

[Kharian_Beast]

Originally Posted by S-2
Gosh Kharian Beast, after A.M.'s pointed admonition to "...back them up with logic, facts and sources.", I'd like to know a bit more about this-

"Classic RAW operation, probably due to the influx of spies recently."

Like you'd know. ISI counter-intelligence keep you on the speed-dial?

Wow.

Indian arrested in connection with Lahore blast

So much for your vain attempts to discredit me, typical clueless American smartass.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

PUNJAB
Indian national arrested in Lahore, linked to blast



LAHORE: An Indian national has been arrested in Lahore in connection with a bomb blast that took place in the GOR-II area earlier today.
According to a report by Dawn News, the Indian citizen was arrested by police officials today.
The television channel reported police officials as saying they have recovered some documents from the individual, which include a valid visit visa of Pakistan and a letter.
Officials say that they traced mobile phone calls made by this person, who tells his name to be Satish, and arrested him today.
Satish had reportedly been working at the Indian High Commission in London for three-and-a-half years before arriving in Pakistan with a visit visa.
Sources add that three identity cards have been recovered from Satish and he has informed them that three other Indian ‘spies’ are also present in Pakistan.

DAWN.COM | Punjab | Indian national arrested in Lahore, linked to blast

 

[S-2]

"So much for your vain attempts to discredit me, typical clueless American smartass."

Who did it isn't the question. The question is HOW you knew, and continue to know it to be a RAW operation?

That question remains.

Please desist with the name-calling if you would. My comments were deleted for considerably less and showed no disrespect to the victims.

Further, it's Christmas eve.

Peace on Earth and goodwill to men.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Sure...no personal attack thanks for reminding Neo...

Let him S-2 explain how did FBI claim it was Pakistan behind mumbai while this S-2 indian RAW lover is clueless of what he is explaining out of his hollow mind.
Answer must be supported with proves..

 

[Awesome]

Merry Xmas, but you do know an Indian national is arrested who is suspected to be a spy.

We're not jumping onto the Indian bandwagon of invoking doomsday, but one can always feel strongly towards investigation leads. This seems to be one of them.

 

[S-2]

"Let him S-2 explain how did FBI claim it was Pakistan behind mumbai..."

Not my job. More to the point, I wouldn't presume to be aware of an iota of what the FBI/CIA know or don't. Further, I don't pretend as though I do.

"...do know an Indian national is arrested who is suspected to be a spy."

Of course. In due time we'll know more, I'm certain.

"one can always feel strongly towards investigation leads. This seems to be one of them."

I also recall the vigor with which this board jumped all over the accusation of rape a couple of weeks ago. Instead, tried and found guilty here at def.pk.- you included. Not a moderate voice one and some eager to see the rape accusation as an after-the-fact justification for Mumbai-by itself an indication of the sympathies of some for such a heinous act. Not yet proved and FOLLOWING Mumbai.

No. Both IceCold and Kharian Beast are clear in their views. Both go far beyond opinion to the definitive. They pontificate without a shred of substantive evidence. Of course, how could they? They're hardly part of a professional crime scene investigative unit nor are they on the inside of ISI counter-intelligence. Were they to be they certainly wouldn't be talking.

No case is made here-at least not based upon anything offered to date at this board. I've no dog in the fight but for the truth. I doubt any of us really know what the GoI, GoP, and U.S. gov't know about Mumbai.

So too here with Lahore.

The nationalist bent on display here now is patently obvious though.

Let me suggest this- I doubt that the Indian government would, if they've a case to be made against LeT, wreck their leverage on the shoals of a bombing operation in Lahore after-the-fact. What's to gain and what's to lose with global sentiment?

Makes zero sense. That's just my amateur OPINION.