$255M for Akash SAMs: Armenia Signs Another Arms Deal with India

[Hellfire2006]

Dont compare Kaan to Tejas, Compare Hürjet to Tejas. Tejas is powered by a single GE 404 IN20 engine and Hürjet is powered by GE F404 engine both "Superpower" India and "little" Turkey is using American engines..

yeah but has hurjet actually flown yet ? Ever your " Turkish made drones " that you're proud of use Ukrainian engines. So much for your domestic weapons industry.

We are doing this all in middle of economic crisis

Wrong priorities then , grow your economy. India spends only 2% of it's GDP on defence. You spend 3.1% on your defence.

and you are losing this race to us with support of most strong countries like France,Israel,USA and Russia..

you make better drones , we know. But we are ahead of turkey in a lot of things be it Space warfare tech , Radars, missile defence , navigation and tracking, Cruise and ballistic Missile tech, Nuclear tech, Electronic warfare, etc. I am also assuming that india also has a lead in cyber tech

We can make our own cryogenic engines too, something which only 5 other countries have - China, USA, Russia, Japan and EU
It's harder to make cryogenic engines if compared to jet engines.

 

[Hellfire2006]

Turkey has a working turboshaft that is an indigenous design, India does not.

India has an indigenous turboshaft design called HTSE 1200
Meanwhile india can produce it's own Cryogenic engines while turkey cannot, india make it's own Ramjet engines for supersonic missiles while turkey cannot, india can make it's own scramjet engine for hypersonic weapons while turkye cannot

Turkey had drones like the Kizilelma in development, India does not.

Look up the Ghatak UCAV programme. The SWIFT prototype had it's first flight last year

I can safely bet that in all likelyhood we will see a TFX flight before the AMCA, despite all this nonsense about "fighter jets since 1960(lol HAL Marut).

lol, that's brave coming from a country which could not even produce it's own trainer jets till recently

Tejas is a failure

That's why 40 Tejas are in service with 183 more on order while not even a single Hoorjet has entered service
Tejas has flown in foreign exercises meanwhile the hoorjet still flies in CGI

Can't even make a decent assault rifle(INSAS is garbage)

Insas was a decent design. But the manufacturer was a corrupt govt organisation , hence bad QC created issues. The 1B1 version was pretty decent. It's being retired because the army is moving to larger caliber rifles which are required for the northern borders

At the end of the day you have an italian designed aircraft carrier that took several decades to come to fruition.

Lol, the italians were design consultants. There is a difference in being design consultants and desiginig a product. It took time because we built a machine of such complexity from scratch , in today's scenario we have the expertise to build a larger Vikrant class aircraft carrier within 7-8 years

After INS Vikrant's commissioning, next vessel could be built in 5 years less time: Cochin Shipyard CMD

In an exclusive interview with CNBC-TV18, Madhu Nair, Chairman and Managing Director of Cochin Shipyard, revealed that the third carrier could be manufactured in just 8 years, lower than 13 years for INS Vikrant

www.google.com

Your comment is so stupid, Vikrant is an original design Meanwhile you folks literally copied the Spanish Juan Carlos to build your small little helicopter carrier with a displacment just half of Vikrant

A few outliers in nuclear submarines which you got help from the russians on and a few civilian launch vehicles, which you also got help from the russians on does not speak for the entire military industrial complex.

That's Rich coming from a turk who is copying German Submarine desings and claiming it to be his own " Superior Turkish Weapon"
All of your submarines are german desgined , you just assemble them while we built the subsystems for our nuclear submarine programme from scratch including the reactor. We did take help from the russians for design consultancy but that's where it ends. Russia never shared critical tech with india.
Russia refused to supply the warship grade steel for the vikrant project and hence we built our own

Warship-grade steel, made by SAIL

Read more below

www.telegraphindia.com

 

[Trisolaran]

yeah but has hurjet actually flown yet ? Ever your " Turkish made drones " that you're proud of use Ukrainian engines. So much for your domestic weapons industry.

For the last 4 month

and this Ukrainian engines are being replaced with TEI engines

you make better drones , we know. But we are ahead of turkey in a lot of things be it Space warfare tech , Radars, missile defence , navigation and tracking, Cruise and ballistic Missile tech, Nuclear tech, Electronic warfare, etc. I am also assuming that india also has a lead in cyber tech

We can make our own cryogenic engines too, something which only 5 other countries have - China, USA, Russia, Japan and EU
It's harder to make cryogenic engines if compared to jet engines.

I doubt about Electronic warfare and Radars but rest is true

@Foinikas being a greek, how do you deal with turkish BS all the time.

Easy because they dont make indigenous weapons to compare with ours

 

[Hellfire2006]

For the last 4 month

and this Ukrainian engines are being replaced with TEI engines

That's good, I appreciate the progress y'all are making but that dosen't mean y'all should undermine other countries projects. Like that @hyperman who was insulting indian shipbuilding and aerospace industry without knowing the facts. We know that we've been slow to complete certain projects but that does not make them a failure. Tejas with all the time it has taken has matured into a reliable platform.

I doubt about Electronic warfare and Radars but rest is true

I guess we can agree to disagree. To each his own

Easy because they dont make indigenous weapons to compare with ours

The greeks have a respectable military history. But their industry and military suffers from their economic hardships and lack of investment.

 

[Trisolaran]

That's good, I appreciate the progress y'all are making but that dosen't mean y'all should undermine other countries projects. Like that @hyperman who was insulting indian shipbuilding and aerospace industry without knowing the facts. We know that we've been slow to complete certain projects but that does not make them a failure. Tejas with all the time it has taken has matured into a reliable platform.

It's fun to discuss these issues in the military forum, but I don't have any intention of disrespecting the Indian defense industry. Many developments that India did 15 years ago, we plan to do in the next 10 years.

 

[Hellfire2006]

It's fun to discuss these issues in the military forum, but I don't have any intention of disrespecting the Indian defense industry. Many developments that India did 15 years ago, we plan to do in the next 10 years.

Cheers mate, the best to y'all. We indians still have a lot of catching up to do as well but we're getting there steadily.

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

I doubt about Radars but rest is true

Read my post #152

 

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Has this system been deployed in India too? If yes, did it achieve any kill? Or it's just another example like Tejas drummed up for export while IAF rejected it multiple times until the plane was shoved through its throat?

 

[migflug]

As much as I would love to praise Indian efforts, there is no doubt that Turkey has made giant leaps in the development of niche defence tech.

The work they have done on UAVs of various kinds, is stellar. The pace with which they are moving on Kaan is something not seen in the past. It looks almost certain that Kaan would take to the air well before AMCA.

The area where Turkey lacks is an engine, for their fighters, but having seen their zeal in the recent past, there is no doubt that they will produce one in a very short time, compared to many other nations.

India on the other hand, is still shackled by bureaucratic procedures and slumber in the government agencies.

This thread was about India selling stuff to Armenia. These are commercial deals. Whether, they use them properly to defeat AZ or get defeated, is no way a reflection on India and it’s weapon systems. Armenia has to make a plan and buy weapons accordingly. If they don’t then, it is their problem, not India’s.

Agreed, they have grown exponentially in aeronautics in last one decade!! A lesson for us. Also the Turkish industry follow a different model of development. While we done extensive designing and then go onto making prototypes, Turkey make design, makes prototypes and they again refine them as per the need. The later can be a bit more cost prohibitive, while our in our process, we take everything into account and them freeze them before making a prototype! Basically like Waterfall( India) vs Agile( Turkish) model !!

 

[hyperman]

it has been serving the indian air force for nearly a decade and has participated in foreign exercises.

40(including prototypes) built in a decade is not really something to be bragging about, considering Mig-21s are still flying in the air force, loomwe know why it hasn't been producted in significt numbers, its b/c its not met the standards, which is why the Mark1A was introduced in the first place.

participated in foreign exercises.

Thats a completely meaningless element.

integration of multiple weapon systems of indian, western and russian origin making it particularly unique.

Thats not a good things, that a bad thing, all it means is it significant points of failures in breakdown of supply chains, and a complete headache in exporting. lol

You can justify the dealy in the rafale project despite the fact that france had a very advanced aerospace industry since the 50s yet you ignore the fact that ADA

I didn't use the rafale as an example, your friend did, thought atleast the French built their own aircraft with their own supply chains, their delays were over their engine, but atleast its flying with their own engine.

what percentage price wise is the Tejas flying that sourced from Abroad?

rectified in the FoC configuration

Oh no, FoC, lol. Just b/c you lower the standards of acceptability to start acquisitions, doesn't make the flaws go away. Again like I said the Mark1A would have no need to exist if it Mark 1 was any good. They only ordered the Mark1A in numbers, not the Mark1 for a reason.

The timeline for Mark1A is on schedule dont worry.

what schedule is that? Indian standard time? lol, maybe we will see induction by the end of the decade.

F16 and Gripen, the fact that you can't differentiate between the two just proves who ill informed

The fact that you think the F-16 and Gripen are in the same category shows that you are ill informed. lol

Its the same aircraft, just with a GE 414 and canards, it doesn't switch categories just based on that. lol, I thought the AMCA was supposed to be the "medium" fighter.

For the haters it is a disaster.

For anyone with half a brain, thats not polishing a turd for nationalistic reasons. lol, a 4th gen project from 1983, that still hasn't reached maturation while countries are retiring 4th gen fighters and few years away from flying their first 6th gen prototypes. Of Course its a disaster. lol

It has an operational readiness rate better than any fighter in the indian air force besides the rafale.

That says less about the Tejas and more of the disaster that is Russian supply chains and logistical support.

the SWIFT prototype

That was a toy for conducting experiments. lol that wasn't a "prototype".

 

[hyperman]

India has an indigenous turboshaft design called HTSE 1200

nice, how many in production?

Meanwhile india can produce it's own Cryogenic engines

This guy is bringing up launch vehicles in a conversation about military tech. lol

india make it's own Ramjet engines for supersonic missiles while turkey cannot, india can make it's own scramjet engine for hypersonic weapons while turkye cannot

nice.. how many in production again? lol

The SWIFT prototype had it's first flight last year

its a toy.

lol, that's brave coming from a country which could not even produce it's own trainer jets till recently

You know they were building entire F-16s right? not in knockdown kits but the full on plane as well as building the engines in Turkey right? there is a reason why the project was formulated in 2017 and the first prototype was flying in 2023. lol

That's why 40 Tejas are in service with 183 more on order

You can order 500, let me know what the delivery rate is. lol

Hoorjet

I think its called Hurjet.

Insas was a decent design.

It looks like cheap shit, and it performs like cheap shit. They are moving on not bc of caliber, but b/c of shit design. 5.56×45mm NATO is plenty good enough, they haven't retired the other foreign bought assault rifles of the same 5.56×45mm NATO caliber. lol

Meanwhile you folks literally copied the Spanish Juan Carlos

I'm not Turkish. lol

That's Rich coming from a turk who is copying German Submarine desings and claiming it to be his own " Superior Turkish Weapon"
All of your submarines are german desgined , you just assemble them while we built the subsystems for our nuclear submarine programme from scratch including the reactor. We did take help from the russians for design consultancy but that's where it ends. Russia never shared critical tech with india.
Russia refused to supply the warship grade steel for the vikrant project and hence we built our own

You are literally buying french submarines and your next tender is also going to be foreign submarine designs. and I'm not Turkish btw. lol

We know that we've been slow to complete certain projects but that does not make them a failure.

If it gets delivered 2 decades later, and doens't match specs, the definition of a failure. lol

 

[MMM-E]

Yet to see a turkish jet which can actually fly.

India and backward Greece only can dream about unmanned stealth Fighter Jet and 5th gen Fighter Jet


KIZILELMA is coming to kick 4th gen TEJAS in BVR combat

btw I will laugh on all daydreamers when KAAN make the first flight on 27 december 2023

KAAN is coming to kick F-15 , F-16V , RAFALE , MIG-29M2 , SU-30MKI , SU-35

Even next generation HURJET with AESA Radar and Cruise missiles , Air to Air Missiles

AKINCI strategic strike UCAV to hit everything including Warships

ANKA3 flying-wing deep strike stealth UCAV

T-929 heavy Attack Helicopter made the first flight

T-625 Utility Helicopter with Turboshaft Engine Technology

T-925 Utility Helicopter on the way

Indian Aviation Industry
4th gen TEJAS
Tiny GHATAK
Failed project ROUSTAM
Paper project AMCA
NO heavy Attack Helicopter

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Turkish aviation industry
Toys
More toys
Big toys
Toys that fly
Toys recently rolled out.

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

For anyone with half a brain, thats not polishing a turd for nationalistic reasons. lol, a 4th gen project from 1983, that still hasn't reached maturation while countries are retiring 4th gen fighters and few years away from flying their first 6th gen prototypes. Of Course its a disaster. lol

The flight characteristics is something that is continuously improving because the major cause of delay was also the biggest advantage, because the west denied us access to whole algorithms which has led DRDO to develop its own flight control computers here in India itself. It's all ours only. That means every hour an LCA flies, more data is collected and the software improved. This has already lead to an improvement in Angle of Attack by 1.5 degrees. The Computers have been improved to take control of the aircraft and bring it back into flight envelope.... So hopefully Mig21 like accidents won't happen during its operational service.
It's a remarkable aircraft and has the best flying record ever in the world
There have been over 5,000 developmental flights without a single accident whatsoever

what percentage price wise is the Tejas flying that sourced from Abroad?

For LCA Tejas, the entire software, including the flight control laws, mission computer algorithm, and weapon release solutions, are designed indigenously. There are unique features in the flight control laws that allow carefree handling and recovering from unseen situations

BEL receives biggest avionics order ever from HAL for LCA Tejas Fighter Aircraft programme

The home-grown fighter is slated to be equipped with indigenous flight control computers, air data computers which would be supplied by BEL under this contract.

indianexpress.com

It's not a big deal for us since we've already developed and integrated shipborne AESA radar on INS Dhruv and Anvesh

https://twitter.com/x/status/1695325583344050271

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

Thats not a good things, that a bad thing, all it means is it significant points of failures in breakdown of supply chains, and a complete headache in exporting. lol

https://twitter.com/x/status/1694319452270268445

while countries are retiring 4th gen fighters and few years away from flying their first 6th gen prototypes. Of Course its a disaster. lol

First, they should improve the serviceability of so called stealth fighters because it's getting nightmare for the respective AFs to maintain it due to their exorbitant prices lol

South Korean Defense Sources Express Concerns About Unreliable F-35 Fighters

The worries echo a litany of complaints made by U.S. military officials about the fifth-generation fighter.

thediplomat.com

Buying F-35 Fighters 'Biggest Mistake' Of Australia; US Jets A 'Total Disaster', Can't 'Stand Up' To China -- Aussie Critic

Australia’s fifth-gen F-35 stealth fighters have come under the scanner due to their cost, capabilities, and viability for RAAF

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