21 people killed in missile attack in Pak

[muse]

When the tribal areas voted in favour of Pakistan that was based on the condition of autonomy, so why to raise something that was never an issue at the first place

Since when did autonomy mean aiding and abetting extremism or terrorists? Since when autonomy mean that Pakisani soldiers are to be fought against, Pakistani schools are to be burned and pakistani police and laws are no tto be obeyed?? Since when?

Save your indignation for the extremist and terrorists who have sowed the seed of rebellion and insurrection, who do suicide bombing in pakistani cities, who behead FC, who threaten families to give one son for the terrorists to war upon their own country.

I really have a hard time understanding why the anger is not directed at the extremists and terrorists -- we would not have been in this situation if this problem was dealt with by ourselves - the larger problem is when educated persons such as yourself allow your feelings to get in the way of your thinking - remember, it is extremism and terrorism that is the enemy.

One enemy at a time, please. Once we have cleaned by internally and consolidated our hold, made it into pakistani territory, with schools that are mandatory for children to attend, with a large and efficient police presence such that no one will be allowed to carry weapons, when sufficent economic activiy is generated to assure jobs for men instead of being guns for hire. Then we can work on other "enemies".

It is this problem, the problem of not prioritizing which is the souce of comfort to the extremists and terrorists - we must keep in mind that Enemy # 1. Extremists and Terrorists
Solution :Erradicated them.

Do not focus on anything other than this problem and solution, then when it is solved, move to next enemy

If we continue to add to our enemies list, we will be hopelessly lost, we must organize, prioritize and down the enemies list, only after we have solved the larger problems.

For them anyone and every one holding an AK-47 is either a militant or a taliban and they take him out irrespective of any remorse

Give us a break, yaar - what kind of bone smoker simply hangs out with a AK47?? rabbit hunting?? It is amazing to me the level of tolerance you choose to exhibit for lawless behaviour and then condemn others for lawless behaviour - honestly, what the ***k kind of person hangs out carrying a Ak-47? Just your average lawless scum in FATA?

 

[IceCold]

When the tribal areas voted in favour of Pakistan that was based on the condition of autonomy, so why to raise something that was never an issue at the first place

Since when did autonomy mean aiding and abetting extremism or terrorists? Since when autonomy mean that Pakisani soldiers are to be fought against, Pakistani schools are to be burned and pakistani police and laws are no tto be obeyed?? Since when?

Save your indignation for the extremist and terrorists who have sowed the seed of rebellion and insurrection, who do suicide bombing in pakistani cities, who behead FC, who threaten families to give one son for the terrorists to war upon their own country.

I really have a hard time understanding why the anger is not directed at the extremists and terrorists -- we would not have been in this situation if this problem was dealt with by ourselves - the larger problem is when educated persons such as yourself allow your feelings to get in the way of your thinking - remember, it is extremism and terrorism that is the enemy.

It is this problem, the problem of not prioritizing which is the souce of comfort to the extremists and terrorists - we must keep in mind that Enemy # 1. Extremists and Terrorists
Solution :Erradicated them.

Do not focus on anything other than this problem and solution, then when it is solved, move to next enemy

If we continue to add to our enemies list, we will be hopelessly lost, we must organize, prioritize and down the enemies list, only after we have solved the larger problems.



Give us a break, yaar - what kind of bone smoker simply hangs out with a AK47?? rabbit hunting?? It is amazing to me the level of tolerance you choose to exhibit for lawless behaviour and then condemn others for lawless behaviour - honestly, what the ***k kind of person hangs out carrying a Ak-47? Just your average lawless scum in FATA?

There is a difference. Tribals are not aiding terrorists. For God sake, get out of this western filled BS. If they would have been doing it they would have not risen up to exterminate it along with the PA. There are only a minor faction that are aiding these militants and that minor faction is everywhere in the world and not just Pakistan. And like i said there is no denying in taking them out, but just because there are a few bad apples that does not mean that the punishment should be given to all.
Also why dont you reply to my questions instead why running around the circles and beating the same bush again and again.
Tell me Muse why isnt the US sharing intelligence with us? If indeed Pakistani tribal areas are a breathing space for terrorism, i think we deserve this much right to atleast now where and when? Or is it that even though it is our territory that is being violated, we are not worthy enough to be shared intelligence with?

Also tell me why this specfic targeting is going on?

Why has US allowed India to establish bases and have a free hand in afghanistan when it knows that it will create sever distress within the Pakistani establishment.

Why is Kabul being the center of all conspiracies against Pakistan right under the watch of the US our so called ally.

Why is all this prapoganda going on against Pakistan and its nukes?

Now you can tell me all you want that its all part of the political procress in the US but i dont buy this argument, no sane Pakistani would. You dont call an ally the worlds most dangerous nation. You certainly dont talk about attacking an ally.
So if any one that needs to wake up is Pakistanies like you who still think that US is an ally or a friend or whatever Gods giving you want to call them, the fact is that with friends like the US who needs a damn enemy.

At this point it should be pretty evident whos playing a dubious game? Clearly the US when it differentiates between terrorism that effects Pakistan with the one that effects the US.
Have you ever wondered why exactly is the US not allowning the Pak afghan border to be sealed? Now please dont come up with that it cant be. Certainly it can if israel can build a wall, the least we can is to build a damn fence and mine a certain area. This advice was given to the US by the Musharraf government and it was rejected, why because certainly it didnt fit in the game plan US is creating what ever that is.

One enemy at a time, please. Once we have cleaned by internally and consolidated our hold, made it into pakistani territory, with schools that are mandatory for children to attend, with a large and efficient police presence such that no one will be allowed to carry weapons, when sufficent economic activiy is generated to assure jobs for men instead of being guns for hire. Then we can work on other "enemies".

This is an idle society that you are talking about and dont expect that to happen within a night it will take its due share of time, remember you cant just push it into them. They have a culture of their own that is being there for centuries, dont expect it to just change with a switch of a button. Also kindly enlighten us all since you see what no one else can, how exactly is the US helping to achieve that other then bombing the hell out of that area?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Look, from what I understand, the PA will not act against the Taliban groups that are primarily focused on liberating Afghanistan from NATO, because they do not want to open too many fronts and unite the various Taliban factions against the GoP.

Gen. Athar Abbas from the ISPR I believe recently said that Pakistan did not have the resources to spare to carry out ops. everywhere in FATA simultaneously. He said that the PA had to prioritize, and Bajaur was the area they decided to focus in. While the influx of weapons and men from Afghanistan to Bajaur has indicated that this op. should have an effect on the insurgency in some areas in Afghanistan, the US is still primarily concerned with the threat from the Haqqani Network, which is an area that Pakistan is not focusing on. Given the different priorities, or the additional threat concerns, the US has, I believe Pakistan had to compromise and allow the air strikes.

 

[batmannow]

absoltely nonsence theory , pakistan cant fight these terrorists in fata, i realy dont agree to these predator strikes.
Gen kiyani, should stop all this pro-US approch, clearfy pakistan's position with strong actions, or if he cant do this, resign from the post and wellcome nato forces openly.enough

 

[muse]

Just on more time: Think more, "feel" less.

Pakistanis "feel" berated, that is a fact, however; Pakistani policies are not built on "feelings". The US duplitious? the Pope really Catholic? the US argues the same about us- we deal with the world as we find it, howling towards the moon has not be shown to be effective policy, so please, think, no point in just expressing emotion, it may be satisfying (emotionally) but it does not move us further along the path that we want to be on.

The GoPakistan have a agreement, yes, it's flawed and it may be ammended sooner than you think, but nevertheless, it has an agreement with the US that predator strikes against terrorists and their allies is necessary.

To suggest that ordinary Pakistanis are being targetted in these predator strikes is an incendiary exageration. It plays into the propaganda of the terrorists who are the real enemy of Pakistan.

The US has played this entirely worng, it has landed assasins in Angoor Adda and predator attacks have also left civilians dead and wounded -- errors in a war, technical and plain wrong judgment are difficult to defend or justify, however; to bring into question the larger aim of the effort against the terrorists is no tjust unhelpful, it's malicious. It may make one "feel" good to get a swipe in at the US, but lets keep our focus where it belongs, that is on the elimination of terrorists.

Once this den of vipers has been cleaned up, be sure that the Us will also be dealt with - but one at a time. Some wish to see Pakistan fighting on every front possible, but is this wise? Should we not go from victory to victory? or should we go from anger to frustration of every imaginable front?

We are on the same side, or do you imagine that I should want to see Pakistan and suffer any frustration and a sense of hopelessness?

Lets keep our wits about us, this is a long and arduous route and many more challenges are ahead - if we are to ensure our objectives are realized, we must be more like long distance runners and not like 100 meter sprinters.

I will address again a couple of concerns you have raised:

Tell me Muse why isnt the US sharing intelligence with us? If indeed Pakistani tribal areas are a breathing space for terrorism, i think we deserve this much right to atleast now where and when? Or is it that even though it is our territory that is being violated, we are not worthy enough to be shared intelligence with?

Also tell me why this specfic targeting is going on?

The US position, as I understand it, is that they - the US - think intelligence that is passed on to Pakistani security services is being leaked by some who are sympathetic to the Aq/Taliban's radical Islamist worldview.

Is there truth to this? I really do not know and cannot say.

Have the tribal areas been used by AQ/Taliban to train? Are AQ/talibn elements resident in these areas? MOST CERTAINLY!! After all, what have the actions of the Pak Fauj in Swat, Bajaur, Waziristan and soon Mohmand and Khurram agencies tell you? Are Pak Fauj also our Enemies???

I have attempted to offer you a larger view, alas unsuccessfully, I have urged restraint in the expression of anger and frustration (because it's a waste - anger and frustration can be used positively, hold it in check, let it stiffen your resolve to see a Pakistan free of terrorists and free of the US)

Pakistan are in a vice grip, there are many powers acting against it, negotiating this requires us to keep our cool and focus our energy on solving our problems, not just burning our energy on emotional outbursts.