2025 & 2030 estimates of Indian & Pakistani fighter fleets.

[CAN_TR]

India's Air Force is just a big bottle of soup. And now American aircrafts seriously?

Mig-21
Mig-29
SU-30
Rafale
Mirage-200
Tejas

 

[Tumba]

India's Air Force is just a big bottle of soup. And now American aircrafts seriously?

Mig-21
Mig-29
SU-30
Rafale
Mirage-200
Tejas

have you ever thought about Eqypt Air Force a much bigger bowl of soup
Su-35
Mig-35
Mig-29
Rafale
Mirage 2000
F-16
Mirage 5
haha

 

[Ultima Thule]

have you ever thought about Eqypt Air Force a much bigger bowl of soup
Su-35
Mig-35
Mig-29
Rafale
Mirage 2000
F-16
Mirage 5
haha

No sir most modern/advance air forces of their previous gen multiple jets like USAF/Rus airforce/China with single 5th gen jet like F-35 will replace F-16/F-18/Harrier/A-10, Su-57 will replace Mig-29/Su-27/Su-24, China will replace J-20 with J-11 series of jets and J-31 may be replace J-10/J-7/J-8 their other previous gen jets, to reduce maintenance/logistic cost its nightmare to any air force to maintain and provide logistic to much different type different type of aircraft, that's why they are replacing their multiple platforms with single 5th gen jets which can do lots multiple mission that previous gen jets can't do @Tumba

 

[araz]

IAF
2025
Rafale ---36+18 (36 initial order plus follow up of 1/2 squadron follow up)
Su-30 ---272+9 (9 extra to be ordered to keep prod. line operation will 2021)
Tejas --- 60(40 MK1 + rest MK1A, More MK1A inductions in progress)
M2K ---48 (all upgraded to MK.2 standard)
Mig29 ---65 (all upgraded to SMT+ standard)
Jaguar ---100 (upgrades to DarwinII standard in progress)

PAF
2025
F-16 ---76+24 (all upgraded to latest Turk standards,extra 2nd hand planes from Turks?)
JF-17 ---200 (Upgraded to BLKII/III standards)
Mirage-3/5 --- 180 (To be phased out with JF-17)

IAF
2030
Rafale ---72
Su-30 ---281
Tejas ---150(40 MK1 + rest MK1A)
Tejas MK2 --- 20 (more inductions in progress)
M2K ---48 (all upgraded to MK.2 standard, to be phased out by Tejas MK2)
Mig29 ---65 (all upgraded to SMT+ standard, to be phased out by Tejas MK2)
Jaguar ---100 (upgrades to DarwinII standard in progress, to be phased out by Tejas MK2)
F-35 --- 10(more inductions of american plane in progress likely purchase after JF-31 order by PAF)

PAF
2030
F-16 ---100 (all upgraded to latest Turk standards)
JF-17 ---300 (Upgraded to BLKII/III standards)
JF-31 ---25 ( more inductions on chinese stealth plane in progress)

Guys this is my own estimates you can disagree with you but please be civilized in discussion.

What exactly do you want to discuss? If you have started a thread it needs to have an idea behind it. So what is your idea? If I:say Pak and India may not even exist because of a Nuclear exchange what do you say to all your projections? There are so many variables to think of and how they alter numbers. For instance if the Kashmir issue gets resolved will we still need this many arms?
So before you ask people to comment please clarify why you have projected these figures and what sort of a discussion you want
A

 

[PakSword]

IAF
2025
Rafale ---36+18 (36 initial order plus follow up of 1/2 squadron follow up)
Su-30 ---272+9 (9 extra to be ordered to keep prod. line operation will 2021)
Tejas --- 60(40 MK1 + rest MK1A, More MK1A inductions in progress)
M2K ---48 (all upgraded to MK.2 standard)
Mig29 ---65 (all upgraded to SMT+ standard)
Jaguar ---100 (upgrades to DarwinII standard in progress)

PAF
2025
F-16 ---76+24 (all upgraded to latest Turk standards,extra 2nd hand planes from Turks?)
JF-17 ---200 (Upgraded to BLKII/III standards)
Mirage-3/5 --- 180 (To be phased out with JF-17)

IAF
2030
Rafale ---72
Su-30 ---281
Tejas ---150(40 MK1 + rest MK1A)
Tejas MK2 --- 20 (more inductions in progress)
M2K ---48 (all upgraded to MK.2 standard, to be phased out by Tejas MK2)
Mig29 ---65 (all upgraded to SMT+ standard, to be phased out by Tejas MK2)
Jaguar ---100 (upgrades to DarwinII standard in progress, to be phased out by Tejas MK2)
F-35 --- 10(more inductions of american plane in progress likely purchase after JF-31 order by PAF)

PAF
2030
F-16 ---100 (all upgraded to latest Turk standards)
JF-17 ---300 (Upgraded to BLKII/III standards)
JF-31 ---25 ( more inductions on chinese stealth plane in progress)

Guys this is my own estimates you can disagree with you but please be civilized in discussion.

By 2025, one of these countries will not exist anymore.. My guess is, Pakistan will survive and India will be disintegrated.

 

[Tumba]

What exactly do you want to discuss? If you have started a thread it needs to have an idea behind it. So what is your idea? If I:say Pak and India may not even exist because of a Nuclear exchange what do you say to all your projections? There are so many variables to think of and how they alter numbers. For instance if the Kashmir issue gets resolved will we still need this many arms?
So before you ask people to comment please clarify why you have projected these figures and what sort of a discussion you want
A

the idea behind was this is a defense forum and we are here to discuss weapon systems thr numbers and discuss thr impact, projection of powers these weapon systems not only make war but effectively prevent them dont you think if tmmrw pakistan gets couple of squadrons of F-16 V with Aim-120D will it not effectively stop any ingress from IAF?

 

[araz]

the idea behind was this is a defense forum and we are here to discuss weapon systems thr numbers and discuss thr impact, projection of powers these weapon systems not only make war but effectively prevent them dont you think if tmmrw pakistan gets couple of squadrons of F-16 V with Aim-120D will it not effectively stop any ingress from IAF?

Iwish it were as simple as that. By your logic our *** should have been handed to the IAF on a platter in 2002 when our inventory was archaic and clearly deficient or if we dont get the 16s and IAF gets the Rafale we should sue for peace.
The purpose which I have understood is to discuss strategy and thinking processes behind wars and evaluate how you will do.
For instance we used our Mirages very effectively on 27.02 against India but it is 50s tech. The point to make is not so much about numbers but about how you use your inventory. Also please remember that modern warfare is not an "Akhaara" where Zubair Jhara fights Antonio Inoki, but a contest of one system vs another. Numbers do have their utility but ait is only a secondary point.
A

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Will Khalistan demand 75 planes once it is independent state in 2020 ?

 

[Meliodas]

I have put timeline after 2025 when stealth planes will be a common sight in every part of world, thr will be F-35s flying in almost every Euro Air Force and many east asian nations Japan, SK, Singapore likely and Australia in middle east and Chinese will capture market in south america and asia specially Pakistan, Russians will be struggling to sell a heavy Su-57 but might grab few nations, India will unlikely go for any more Russians planes, so in that time line everybody will be selling 5th gen to anyone who can pay or is strategic ally

Still a no, this won't happen as India is not strategic alley of the level where us will share stealth and China won't be sharing with us either. India may get one from Russia though and Pak may take the turkey route.

 

[Tumba]

Still a no, this won't happen as India is not strategic alley of the level where us will share stealth and China won't be sharing with us either. India may get one from Russia though and Pak may take the turkey route.

by the end of next decade many things will change any one practically following USA lead will definitely get the most used fighter of that day specially when production lines will be slowing up and thr are jobs to save.
So its safe to assume if India wants F-35 after 10 years she will most probably get.

With respect to Pakistan, Chinese closest ally its no secret Chinese will probably provide F-31 on soft loans if pakistan wants and truth to be told, Turkey will not be able to deploy any 5th gen fighter of its own by 2030 might take much more time specially when NATO technology supply lines are already drying up.

 

[Trailer23]

Do these figures (also) reflect the ones India intends to crash in the next decade...?

 

[Tumba]

Do these figures (also) reflect the ones India intends to crash in the next decade...?

any crash results in replacement order of any type if still in production either in origin country or India, all Su30 which were crashed got replacement order as Mig29 but Mirage 2000 did not get any replacement orders once production line was closed in 2005/6 I think.

 

[Trailer23]

any crash results in replacement order of any type if still in production either in origin country or India, all Su30 which were crashed got replacement order as Mig29 but Mirage 2000 did not get any replacement orders once production line was closed in 2005/6 I think.

Oh, that's a good thing. You had me worried...

'cause this year alone is a travesty in terms of crashes & (possible) replacements for the IAF.

Crashes in the Calendar Year 2019​

28 January: Jaguar crashed shortly after takeoff in Uttar Pradesh.

01 February: A Mirage 2000 crashed while on an acceptance sortie after being upgraded by state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) killing both Pilots.

12 February: A MiG-27 crashed at the Pokhran firing range.

19 February: Two Hawk aircraft of Surya Kiran aerobatic team crashed after hitting each other mid-air during a rehearsal for the AeroIndia Show. One of the pilots was killed in the accident.

27 February: Pakistan shot down one MiG-21 Bison during an aerial fight after India violated the airspace.

27 February: a Mi-17 chopper was also downed in Budgam District in Indian Occupied Kashmir killing all six on board.

08 March: A MiG-21 (Bison) crashed near Bikaner, western Rajasthan, due to a Bird strike, the pilot ejected safely.

31 March: A MiG-27 (UPG) crashed in Sirohi, Rajasthan, the pilot ejected safely.

03 June: An-32 crashed in Arunachal Pradesh. All 13 declared dead.

08 August: Su-30Mki crash in Tezpur. Both pilots ejected safely.

At this rate, IAF Replacements must be line instant popcorn...

 

[Tumba]

Oh, that's a good thing. You had me worried...

'cause this year alone is a travesty in terms of crashes & (possible) replacements for the IAF.

Crashes in the Calendar Year 2019​

28 January: Jaguar crashed shortly after takeoff in Uttar Pradesh.

01 February: A Mirage 2000 crashed while on an acceptance sortie after being upgraded by state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) killing both Pilots.

12 February: A MiG-27 crashed at the Pokhran firing range.

19 February: Two Hawk aircraft of Surya Kiran aerobatic team crashed after hitting each other mid-air during a rehearsal for the AeroIndia Show. One of the pilots was killed in the accident.

27 February: Pakistan shot down one MiG-21 Bison during an aerial fight after India violated the airspace.

27 February: a Mi-17 chopper was also downed in Budgam District in Indian Occupied Kashmir killing all six on board.

08 March: A MiG-21 (Bison) crashed near Bikaner, western Rajasthan, due to a Bird strike, the pilot ejected safely.

31 March: A MiG-27 (UPG) crashed in Sirohi, Rajasthan, the pilot ejected safely.

03 June: An-32 crashed in Arunachal Pradesh. All 13 declared dead.

08 August: Su-30Mki crash in Tezpur. Both pilots ejected safely.

At this rate, IAF Replacements must be line instant popcorn...

yaa IAF crash rate is pretty bad for a professional force no doubt, but in terms of material only true loss was Mirage 2000 which can not be replaced and of course loss of pilot is most disappointing. Rest most of the air craft are to be retired anyway or can be replaced.

 

[Trailer23]

yaa IAF crash rate is pretty bad for a professional force no doubt, but in terms of material only true loss was Mirage 2000 which can not be replaced and of course loss of pilot is most disappointing. Rest most of the air craft are to be retired anyway or can be replaced.

Well, the IAF can cover their 'pretty bad' crash rate by making more movies to represent their Air Force.

And hey, India's got a rock solid Economy to buy materialistic objects for Air Shows, not that the poor matter.

And personally..., I don't think India should consider retiring any of their jets - anytime soon. The IAF Pilots are doing an outstanding job bringing them down on their own. Good to see what a Professional Air Force Training can do for a nation.