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The cashless exxperiment in India and the horrific number of data breaches in the US, now this - this is only the beginning. Prepare yourselves best you can.
 
The US And UK Stole Data Of Pakistani Citizens

The U.S. and U.K. stole data of Pakistan citizens to easily track Pakistanis suspected of being involved in terrorism, claims WikiLeaks, citing its cable in 2009 [09ISLAMABAD1642] from the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad.


Although this grabbed global headlines back in 2011 – when the revelations were originally made by WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange – the document resurfaced all over the media on Tuesday, June 6, when WikiLeaks Twitter account alleged in a tweet that the National Security Agency (NSA) and the MI6 Secret Intelligence Service set up a front company to “steal all of Pakistan’s voters.


While the motivations behind the U.S. and U.K. allegedly stealing data of Pakistan citizens are unclear – whether it’s to track down Pakistanis involved in terrorism or possibly even meddle in the Pakistani election process – WikiLeaks seems confident about the NSA and MI6 setting up a front company – the International Identity Services – to allegedly penetrate the National Database and Registration Authority (NADRA), which holds Pakistani citizens’ identification records.


The WikiLeaks cable does not specify if the U.S. and U.K. access to the NADRA system was full or only partial and for what purposes the foreign powers would need data of Pakistani citizens. While one can argue that this was done with the purpose to track Pakistani citizens with suspected links to terrorism, let’s not forget that this was allegedly the year 2009, two years before the international community started accusing Pakistan of being involved in terrorism in the wake of U.S. NAVY SEALs killing al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad, Pakistan.


Pakistan government shared personal data of millions of Pakistanis to US spy agencies: or not?

The WikiLeaks cable in 2009 from the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad also claims that then Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani and then Interior Minister Rehman Malik voluntarily offered to share NADRA records with the U.S. out of gratitude to the U.S. for aiding Pakistan. In a move that was branded by many Pakistanis as “treason,” the Prime Minister and the Interior Minister allegedly offered to share personal data of millions of Pakistanis to U.S. spy agencies.


WikiLeaks also claims that Gilani allegedly suggested cooking up a formal deal with the U.S. to make the transfer of NADRA records to U.S. spy agencies legal and save his the Pakistan Peoples’ Party government from any embarrassment and accusations of treason. Shortly after the WikiLeaks revelations were made public in 2011, NADRA issued a statement denying the allegations and saying that its massive database of Pakistani citizens cannot be replicated or shared with any country or entity no matter what the individual’s authority or position requesting to compromise NADRA records is.


While sharing NADRA records, which contain all kinds of personal data about Pakistani citizens, would be deemed a national treason, it’s unclear what a foreign power – be it the U.S. or U.K. – could be planning to do with such a massive database of Pakistani citizens or why such records would be useful to the U.S. or U.K. spy agencies. Again, if it has anything to do with terrorism – then it’s a little illogical, given that Pakistan was not accused of sheltering terrorist elements until after May 2011 (two years after NADRA records were allegedly “stolen” by the Americans and Britons), unless – of course – the U.S. had undisclosed, classified information suggesting that Pakistan allegedly had ties to terrorism back in 2009.


Debunking the myth of US ‘stealing’ Pakistani personal data


What furthermore raises eyebrows is that the WikiLeaks revelations about – the U.S. and U.K. spy agencies allegedly stealing Pakistani citizens’ data as well as the Pakistani government allegedly offering to share NADRA records with the U.S. – were made by Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, during his interview with Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) chairman Imran Khan.


While Assange seems to be directly accusing the U.S. and U.K. of “stealing” data of Pakistan’s citizens and the Pakistani government giving access to NADRA records to Washington, nowhere does the actual WikiLeaks 2009 cable make either of the two allegations.


All the WikiLeaks document says is that the Pakistani government offered to “share NADRA-generated information on Pakistani citizens, within the constraints imposed by privacy concerns.” As far as the cable’s revelations go, no personal data of Pakistani citizens was ever shared.


As for the U.S. and U.K allegedly “stealing” NADRA records, all the document says about the U.S. is that the Pakistani Interior Minister “agreed to set up a joint U.S.-Pakistan task force to work out a way forward.” The document does, however, allege that there were plans between the Interior Minister and then-Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano to share Passenger Name Records (PNR) with the U.S. However, the document says that “the possibility of sharing PNR data on passengers traveling to and from Pakistan to the U.S. and Canada” had been “submitted for legal review,” suggesting that any transfers of Pakistani personal data would be legal and made public.


Was any data of Pakistani citizens even stolen?


As far as the WikiLeaks document goes (not Assange’s interview with Khan), no personal data of Pakistani citizens was ever shared with the U.S. – or even if it was, it was not massive and done only on “a case-by-case basis,” as the document alleges that “Pakistan is already sharing some individual passenger data on a case-by-case basis on flights to Europe.”


Interestingly, the WikiLeaks document does not contain any information about the U.S. and U.K. spy agencies setting up a front company in the U.K. to “steal” data of Pakistani citizens. It seems that the claims were made only during Assange’s interview with Khan, and there is no evidence – or even a WikiLeaks document – to back up the allegations. It’s unclear what were Assange’s motivations behind alleging things that were never published in WikiLeaks documents or if the WikiLeaks founder actually shared the information that allegedly took place but was never published by WikiLeaks.


Although Assange’s claims of the U.S. and U.K. allegedly stealing Pakistani citizens personal records has Pakistan all fired up – especially given the rather chilly relations between Washington and Islamabad lately as well as considering that Pakistanis are about to go general election in 2018 – until there’s no evidence, Assange’s claims remain conspiracy theories only.

Another perspective on the latest revelation and the timing
 
Well the software and database for NADRA was not developed in house and was purchased off shelf from a western firm, all that happened during Mushi's tenure. if army is that honourable and if mushi was that much of patriot why hadn't he done anything? even the first chairman nadra was a lt col. if i remember correctly.

Stop farting and talk substance.
NADRA is 100% indigenous and when it was formed by Musharraf, it was most advance database of its type in entire globe.
During that time European countries took lead from it and some even approached NADRA to build their system. I think Romania is one of those European states.
Lt. col. is not barred to hold any managerial job. Musharraf learned finance more than Ishaq Dar, when he took charge of Pakistan, he was also a general.

The US And UK Stole Data Of Pakistani Citizens

The U.S. and U.K. stole data of Pakistan citizens to easily track Pakistanis suspected of being involved in terrorism, claims WikiLeaks, citing its cable in 2009 [09ISLAMABAD1642] from the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad.


Although this grabbed global headlines back in 2011 – when the revelations were originally made by WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange – the document resurfaced all over the media on Tuesday, June 6, when WikiLeaks Twitter account alleged in a tweet that the National Security Agency (NSA) and the MI6 Secret Intelligence Service set up a front company to “steal all of Pakistan’s voters.


While the motivations behind the U.S. and U.K. allegedly stealing data of Pakistan citizens are unclear – whether it’s to track down Pakistanis involved in terrorism or possibly even meddle in the Pakistani election process – WikiLeaks seems confident about the NSA and MI6 setting up a front company – the International Identity Services – to allegedly penetrate the National Database and Registration Authority (NADRA), which holds Pakistani citizens’ identification records.


The WikiLeaks cable does not specify if the U.S. and U.K. access to the NADRA system was full or only partial and for what purposes the foreign powers would need data of Pakistani citizens. While one can argue that this was done with the purpose to track Pakistani citizens with suspected links to terrorism, let’s not forget that this was allegedly the year 2009, two years before the international community started accusing Pakistan of being involved in terrorism in the wake of U.S. NAVY SEALs killing al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad, Pakistan.


Pakistan government shared personal data of millions of Pakistanis to US spy agencies: or not?

The WikiLeaks cable in 2009 from the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad also claims that then Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani and then Interior Minister Rehman Malik voluntarily offered to share NADRA records with the U.S. out of gratitude to the U.S. for aiding Pakistan. In a move that was branded by many Pakistanis as “treason,” the Prime Minister and the Interior Minister allegedly offered to share personal data of millions of Pakistanis to U.S. spy agencies.


WikiLeaks also claims that Gilani allegedly suggested cooking up a formal deal with the U.S. to make the transfer of NADRA records to U.S. spy agencies legal and save his the Pakistan Peoples’ Party government from any embarrassment and accusations of treason. Shortly after the WikiLeaks revelations were made public in 2011, NADRA issued a statement denying the allegations and saying that its massive database of Pakistani citizens cannot be replicated or shared with any country or entity no matter what the individual’s authority or position requesting to compromise NADRA records is.


While sharing NADRA records, which contain all kinds of personal data about Pakistani citizens, would be deemed a national treason, it’s unclear what a foreign power – be it the U.S. or U.K. – could be planning to do with such a massive database of Pakistani citizens or why such records would be useful to the U.S. or U.K. spy agencies. Again, if it has anything to do with terrorism – then it’s a little illogical, given that Pakistan was not accused of sheltering terrorist elements until after May 2011 (two years after NADRA records were allegedly “stolen” by the Americans and Britons), unless – of course – the U.S. had undisclosed, classified information suggesting that Pakistan allegedly had ties to terrorism back in 2009.


Debunking the myth of US ‘stealing’ Pakistani personal data


What furthermore raises eyebrows is that the WikiLeaks revelations about – the U.S. and U.K. spy agencies allegedly stealing Pakistani citizens’ data as well as the Pakistani government allegedly offering to share NADRA records with the U.S. – were made by Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, during his interview with Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) chairman Imran Khan.


While Assange seems to be directly accusing the U.S. and U.K. of “stealing” data of Pakistan’s citizens and the Pakistani government giving access to NADRA records to Washington, nowhere does the actual WikiLeaks 2009 cable make either of the two allegations.


All the WikiLeaks document says is that the Pakistani government offered to “share NADRA-generated information on Pakistani citizens, within the constraints imposed by privacy concerns.” As far as the cable’s revelations go, no personal data of Pakistani citizens was ever shared.


As for the U.S. and U.K allegedly “stealing” NADRA records, all the document says about the U.S. is that the Pakistani Interior Minister “agreed to set up a joint U.S.-Pakistan task force to work out a way forward.” The document does, however, allege that there were plans between the Interior Minister and then-Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano to share Passenger Name Records (PNR) with the U.S. However, the document says that “the possibility of sharing PNR data on passengers traveling to and from Pakistan to the U.S. and Canada” had been “submitted for legal review,” suggesting that any transfers of Pakistani personal data would be legal and made public.


Was any data of Pakistani citizens even stolen?


As far as the WikiLeaks document goes (not Assange’s interview with Khan), no personal data of Pakistani citizens was ever shared with the U.S. – or even if it was, it was not massive and done only on “a case-by-case basis,” as the document alleges that “Pakistan is already sharing some individual passenger data on a case-by-case basis on flights to Europe.”


Interestingly, the WikiLeaks document does not contain any information about the U.S. and U.K. spy agencies setting up a front company in the U.K. to “steal” data of Pakistani citizens. It seems that the claims were made only during Assange’s interview with Khan, and there is no evidence – or even a WikiLeaks document – to back up the allegations. It’s unclear what were Assange’s motivations behind alleging things that were never published in WikiLeaks documents or if the WikiLeaks founder actually shared the information that allegedly took place but was never published by WikiLeaks.


Although Assange’s claims of the U.S. and U.K. allegedly stealing Pakistani citizens personal records has Pakistan all fired up – especially given the rather chilly relations between Washington and Islamabad lately as well as considering that Pakistanis are about to go general election in 2018 – until there’s no evidence, Assange’s claims remain conspiracy theories only.

Another perspective on the latest revelation and the timing

When Database is in hands of UK and US than rest assure its also in hands of RAW and Israel and rest of European states.
 
Stop farting and talk substance.
NADRA is 100% indigenous and when it was formed by Musharraf, it was most advance database of its type in entire globe.
During that time European countries took lead from it and some even approached NADRA to build their system. I think Romania is one of those European states.
Lt. col. is not barred to hold any managerial job. Musharraf learned finance more than Ishaq Dar, when he took charge of Pakistan, he was also a general.



When Database is in hands of UK and US than rest assure its also in hands of RAW and Israel and rest of European states.

Respectfully disagree. Post 9/11 NADRA has been sharing info with US and was done during musharraf's role. That is why many Pakistanis were picked up for 'interrogation' with the tacit approval of the musharaf govt as musharraf himself describes in his book. And to claim that NADRA was the most advanced system is a bit of a stretch;nevertheless, NADRA is a great initiative.

No matter who leads an organization, meritocracy must be ensured. During musharafs, time IB was devastated by the appointment of Brig Ijaz Shah just because he was musharraf's Pal as was PCB under naseem ashraf - a few examples.
Finally, Zardari- Gillani govt was the direct result of NRO which unleashed terrorists, criminals, defaulters and assassins on Pakistan. And the man who signed the NRO is living next to Burj al Khalifa guarded by you know who :) and delivering lectures on stability. Hope u dont get angry because these are corroborated facts.
 
Agreed......... But disturbing thing was despite knowing every thing that Zardari was ruining this country, Army was quite on this,,,,,,and most teasing is we are not investigating anything that had happened in Zardari era.
Fake passport and ID been issuing during Zia time to Afghans. Pakistani fake passport and id are in millions and now they are converted in legal form. It's too late and useless to blame Malik. Image fake passport been recovered from Palastianina in late 70s. Dig in the story , will find alot. Plus all nadra setup and machines, training been sponsored by west after 911. Nothing new. Another correction they project was started during Musharraf era.
 
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"yahan sab nangay hain" . there is no exception in pakistan. after all we have a glorious future and we will fight ghazwa e hind. hilarious.
LOL Ghazwa E Hind zaid hamid FAN xD ??


Look their Airforce and Navy Power. U still believe in this Zaid hamid theory ??
 
The Kyani-Gilani-Zardari era was the most darkest era in the pakistan's history.
We almost reached a failed state status.
They should answer for their actions against Pakistan.
 
could be for assisination if one searches dead scientist nasa usa including british, you will find articles and videos on it. iran has lost a scientist to assasination by israel/usa, rember stuxnet.
 
Well the software and database for NADRA was not developed in house and was purchased off shelf from a western firm, all that happened during Mushi's tenure. if army is that honourable and if mushi was that much of patriot why hadn't he done anything? even the first chairman nadra was a lt col. if i remember correctly.

Wrong, ORACLE was used as database Yes but software and database structure was developed by a Pakistani software house "Pakistan Data Management Services"

http://pakdata.com/projects
 
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I agree, this is surprising that all the focus is on London flats but no attention to the other corrupt like Yousaf Reza Gillani, Asif Ali Zardri, Khurshid Shah, Faryal Talpur etc... all I can guess is this is because there mafia is well staged in both govt. and army.
Who have to take actions against them ? Obviously government . but government are protecting ppp's corruption & treasonous acts.
 
to be honest if this report is true it's not worth reading for technical person... i would prefer technical assistance provided by DHS regarding sharing the Data of pak citizen and to secure border.

only one solution here
PNR
for passport should be allowed to check the criminal record of the traveler for host country. lets talk about API, connecting the API of another country with our National sensitive database of citizen should be declared as crime in our law.. not even a foolish country will outsource the citizen data.

find out how DHS works to establish the API connection with NDRA system, database & applications so the solution is, hire some highly skilled networking, software engineers and technical team to verify the source code within applications & database that are being used by NDRA and find out that API connectivity, get the technical documents to understand the structure.. but they can easily change some documents to mislead you so batter to debug the whole applications by technical team to find out real source.

in simple word... find out the DHS API within NDRA system. it could be a device to connect the system.

Personal observation
if it is true then it is really big trouble for pak.... i remembered during musharraf era in 2008 when pak decided to mine and fence the afg-pak border where militants are known to cross the border that time U.S administration of president bush interfered to not mine & fence the border instead they deliberately pressurized pakistan to not mine & fence the border and they called it an act against humanitarian because of thousands afghan traveller those travel on daily bases. that time i said to myself wtf... U.S offered that U.S will provide border management technology to pak by which pak can easily trace the movement along the border.. and again i said to myself wtf why cant pak secure the border by herself.. but that technology was never provided to pak during mushi era..
but now when i read this article i mean wtf seriously wtf is going on... zardari MC, BC and zardari co are really illiterate to understand this simple thing that if pak will provide sensitive data of pak citizen then pak may have to face massive threat and propaganda for pak citizen around the world by CIA, MI6 if they want to defame pak on any matter they could easily do this by blaming on any pak citizen for any criminal act.. and they can even repeat the process of blaming on pak citizen because they will have full information of pak traveller around the globe and they can choose one of required citizen either belong to army or any other sensitive institution..

we are forth biggest nation in software industry and we can build Integrated Border Management System by our own in order to connect with NADRA.... even we can build our own homeland security department..... we need to focus on satellite system but mean while we can take help by china...
 
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will SC take suo moto on this?

Will ECP set up inquiry on this?

will Ch. Nisar take notes on this?
...and will IK stage a protest against corruption of this magnitude?

It seems everyone has there own ball to play and only bother when there own vested interests are threatened
 
Nothing new from corrupt & treacherous politicians who only lie & cry whenever they hear the truth. The problem in Pakistan is, DEMOCRAZY is completely corrupt & laws are designed by corrupt & treacherous politicians which is only favoring them heavily. If only Pakistan had laws written for Pakistan then these bastards would had faced a firiging squad for their treachery & corruption against Pakistan.

Ganja league & Gadari party will continue to lie & cry whenever the truth will expose them.
 
This is huge but isn't getting much media coverage .

& i think we should not see this only from one prespective , if PPP leadership really was selling OUR data where was OUR security establishment .
This is failure on so many levels & this must be probed
 

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