16 Refuelers in Paf modernization plan ?

[Super Falcon]

top gun im not the one who started this but i cannot be quit who ever dare to make bad comments on my country when their own country is more than us

 

[Kompromat]

hello All.

As per My info PAF is looking for around 600 4th Generation and 4.5 generation Combat jets which means we may need a mix of around 8-10 IL-78 and KC-135 refulers.

PAF is looking up to field a 100 Vipers in Total including 36 Block 52+ with Conformal fuel Tanks and it is totally non nonsensical to have 100 Frontline fighter jets without IFR capability .

PAF has joined few Refuling exercises with USAF over Pakistan and one is scheduled in Red Flag exercise which Indicates that PAF is actively looking for more refulers as our vipers are unable to refule from IL-78.

Expect more tankers !
Regards:

 

[Super Falcon]

agreeed that pakistan will get more refuelers but not sure about 16

 

[TOPGUN]

top gun im not the one who started this but i cannot be quit who ever dare to make bad comments on my country when their own country is more than us

Brother i agree with you and as you can see i was not quiet eather ... i was replying to the troll master rather then you mare bahi

 

[rohailmalhi]

I wouldn't take the '16 refuelling-aircraft' figure seriously...but the number will likely cross the currently set 4 IL-78.

While the IL-78 can work with JF-17, FC-20 and Mirages, their drogue set-up isn't compatible with the F-16 - which forms a substantial portion of the PAF fleet. On the other hand, I don't think it would be financially wise to invest in a boom-only for the F-16s (KC-135), but rather a boom and hose-drogue type such as the A-310 MRTT. I believe the PAF did ask EADS for A-310 MRTT, but EADS responded with an offer for A-330 MRTT - which PAF will likely consider as too expensive. This might change if USAF adopts the KC-45 variant.

The other option is to equip the F-16s with the hose & drogue compatible refuelling pod and that should work fine with the IL-78s. Finally, H Khan mentioned a couple years ago that PAF may acquire another 2 IL-78s.

this seems easy but the problem is u need Uncle sam permission to do any changes to F-16 . and Uncle Sam wont allow it coz they dont want to loose order for their KC series aircraft.
The better idea is to buy refueller which can server all the planes.as u have mentioned with boom and hose-drogue refueling capability.

 

[monitor]

16 refueler seems unrealistic .i think as mark sien has said pakistan will have more il-78 and few kc-135 for its airforce.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

@Monitor for 600-650 4th and 4.5 gen jets how many refuellers does a country require? sum it up and u get the answer.

 

[Areesh]

You had to mention that, right?


It is not suppose to be your business, try to avoid it, just for a change.

He is an Indian so he behaved like one.

 

[fatman17]

^^^what the heck - one refueller / sqdn - give me a break please!

 

[fatman17]

hello All.

As per My info PAF is looking for around 600 4th Generation and 4.5 generation Combat jets which means we may need a mix of around 8-10 IL-78 and KC-135 refulers.

PAF is looking up to field a 100 Vipers in Total including 36 Block 52+ with Conformal fuel Tanks and it is totally non nonsensical to have 100 Frontline fighter jets without IFR capability .

PAF has joined few Refuling exercises with USAF over Pakistan and one is scheduled in Red Flag exercise which Indicates that PAF is actively looking for more refulers as our vipers are unable to refule from IL-78.

Expect more tankers !
Regards:

the approved PAF budget is 20 sqdns x 18 = 360 front-line a/c - this does not include trainers/cargo/helos/aux/awacs/fuelers.

for 600 front line a/c plus all the 2nd tier a/c mentioned above, PAF would have to double the number of air-bases it has currently available.

come on guys - lets be reasonable!!! - i havnt even mentioned the $$$ part yet!!! or the available manpower!!!

 

[Kompromat]

the approved PAF budget is 20 sqdns x 18 = 360 front-line a/c - this does not include trainers/cargo/helos/aux/awacs/fuelers.

for 600 front line a/c plus all the 2nd tier a/c mentioned above, PAF would have to double the number of air-bases it has currently available.

come on guys - lets be reasonable!!! - i havnt even mentioned the $$$ part yet!!! or the available manpower!!!

Sir we may have a misunderstanding here as what i know is that as things look for now is that we may end up with a 100 Vipers as you mentioned yourself and 300 Thunders plus 150 FC-20's which makes the total number up to 550 Combat jets which indeed is close to the maximum operational potential of PAF .

Sir i was talking at least 7 years ahead and as for the Air bases i believe PAF was refurbishing some unused airfields in Baluchistan and some other air stripes and bases would be constructed in coming years to cater for the expansion of PAF squadrons .

Regards:

 

[TaimiKhan]

the approved PAF budget is 20 sqdns x 18 = 360 front-line a/c - this does not include trainers/cargo/helos/aux/awacs/fuelers.

for 600 front line a/c plus all the 2nd tier a/c mentioned above, PAF would have to double the number of air-bases it has currently available.

come on guys - lets be reasonable!!! - i havnt even mentioned the $$$ part yet!!! or the available manpower!!!

Well fatman Sir, if not today, tomorrow we will have to raise the number of combat aircraft in our inventory as Indians will be looking at some 1000 or more by end of this decade, and we need plans from right now about increasing the strength and stuff like that.

As said the $$$ part and the manpower will have to be planned from now on, after 2020 definitely we would be needing more aircraft.

Simple calculations, if by 2020 we get 250 JF-17s, approx 90 or so F-16s in service, from 2014-15 FC-20s are gonna start coming in, the figure would already be crossing the 400 threshold by the end of the decade.

The supposed and rumored figure of 250 JF-17s and 150 or lets suppose 100 FC-20s give you the 350 figure, add to it the F-16s which we are gonna keep having and who knows how many more we may get in future, the figure stops at 90 or so, or it increases.

So i believe the PAF has already started its homework about increasing its strength and is looking at around 400+ combat strength by end of this decade.

As for refueling tankers, even if we have 10 by end of this decade, its not compulsory, that all will be air worthy at the time of need, some may be in maintenance or any other technical issue might hinder them from flying.

We should go for more refueling tankers, but i recommend to have MRTT platforms, they will help us as transporters as well as aerial tankers as and when required, dual use and no wastage of money of having a sitting aerial tanker which is not required much.

When needed change it to tanker, when needed change it to transporter.

And yeah due to the Chinese fighter which would be in majority numbers, we won't have much problem in arranging $$$s as we get from them on seller credit arrangement, buy now, pay slowly. But yeah if western stuff is used, then we would be needing some $$$s, but atleast not like paying for full aircraft.

 

[Kompromat]

^ I bet we are screwed in a next air battle against india in the year 2018 if we do not field up competitive numbers .

We already lack in technology against MKI and not to mention T-50 and if we lacked in Numbers too then its like putting our boys on hot plates.

Not Impressed.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Things and decisions in PAF are changing in such a way I am guessing PAF would not go beyond 150-180 Thunders and switch to more FC-20s due to the neighbor's technological challenge that includes mki, mig29, mrca, future T-50...

 

[Comet]

It might be 6 instead of 16 as pointed out by someone else a few posts before.
Moreover, what is the authenticity of the source of this info?