'13,000 boys lifted' during Kashmir lockdown: 5-women team reveal ground realities

[newb3e]

My observation: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/war-...not-attack-india.636922/page-14#post-11793726

i am sure you dont call arabs coward and call them smart because hey Palastine is not Saudia UAE Kuwait etc so not their people and the way they are treated like Israelis and the way arab just ignores their plight i thibk they are not even humans in arab eyes!!

by your logic i thibk if india occupies AJK we should keep this cuteness act on and dont fight them technically AJK is also not out land and not our people! right?

 

[LeGenD]

i am sure you dont call arabs coward and call them smart because hey Palastine is not Saudia UAE Kuwait etc so not their people and the way they are treated like Israelis and the way arab just ignores their plight i thibk they are not even humans in arab eyes!!

by your logic i thibk if india occupies AJK we should keep this cuteness act on and dont fight them technically AJK is also not out land and not our people! right?

Like this or not, WE cannot defeat India in IOK on our own, WE have fought for IOK several times, to no avail.

WE need powerful (committed) allies for IOK, to address this issue. But WE do not have this kind of support. So what are WE supposed to do? Fight India again? What good will come out of this?

 

[newb3e]

Like this or not, WE cannot defeat India in IOK on our own, WE have fought for IOK several times, to no avail.

WE need powerful (committed) allies for IOK, to address this issue. But WE do not have this kind of support. So what are WE supposed to do? Fight India again? What good will come out of this?

arabs have the same cowardly mindset allowing israel to expand.first they ignored Palastinians pain thinking they are not their people then slowly and surely israel is expanding and coming for their land now arabs are like balless creature and too scares to fight mighty jewish army!!

mighty Pakistans future looks same from cowardice to slavery!

 

[LeGenD]

arabs have the same cowardly mindset allowing israel to expand.first they ignored Palastinians pain thinking they are not their people then slowly and surely israel is expanding and coming for their land now arabs are like balless creature and too scares to fight mighty jewish army!!

mighty Pakistans future looks same from cowardice to slavery!

Bro,

You are rushing to judgement here but ignoring other more pressing problems at hand. Pakistan need to address its internal problems first and foremost.

1. WE have irresponsible political parties such as PPP and PML(N) who do not care about the wellbeing of people but mainly interested in corruption and misappropriating funds for personal and political gains. Just look at conditions in Sindh for instance.

2. WE have a dysfunctional economy. WE are not in the position to fight a war with a large country.

3. WE have hypocrisy within. Just look at our entertainment industry, Lollywood in particular - cheap clone of Bollywood.

4. WE have unaccounted for NGOs operating within, poisoning the minds of people.

5. WE have Afghans roaming in Pakistan in huge numbers, and Durand Line to monitor.

6. WE have to monitor Iran as well which is facilitating India.

YOU want to fight a war with India under the aforementioned circumstances? Without any committed allies in the picture who might mitigate other problems for us?

It took us a whole day to come up with a strategy to defeat IAF on February 27, 2019. In a full-scale war, every minute count.

You are not thinking clearly. WE had 70+ years to transform Pakistan into a powerful and righteous nation, but WE failed in this matter. Now the window of doing something about IOK is closing.

 

[newb3e]

Bro,

You are rushing to judgement here but ignoring other more pressing problems at hand. Pakistan need to address its internal problems first and foremost.

1. WE have irresponsible political parties such as PPP and PML(N) who do not care about the wellbeing of people but mainly interested in corruption and misappropriating funds for personal and political gains. Just look at conditions in Sindh for instance.

2. WE have a dysfunctional economy. WE are not in the position to fight a war with a large country.

3. WE have hypocrisy within. Just look at our entertainment industry, Lollywood in particular - cheap clone of Bollywood.

4. WE have unaccounted for NGOs operating within, poisoning the minds of people.

5. WE have Afghans roaming in Pakistan in huge numbers, and Durand Line to monitor.

6. WE have to monitor Iran as well which is facilitating India.

YOU want to fight a war with India under the aforementioned circumstances? Without any committed allies in the picture who might mitigate other problems for us?

It took us a whole day to come up with a strategy to defeat IAF on February 27, 2019. In a full-scale war, every minute count.

You are not thinking clearly. WE had 70+ years to transform Pakistan into a powerful and righteous nation, but WE failed in this matter. Now the window of doing something about IOK is closing.

bhai all our problems will be sorted the day we hang Musharaf and Kayani that move will intill fear in mind of other corrupt politicians and force them to pay this whole bs exercise of NAB investigation while pindi protecting their corrupt minion is bs and will do us no good!

all our problem you mentioned can only be solved if we decide to get out of this cowardly shell we are trapped in and fking grow a pair and start a ruthless operation against ngos afggans iranians the only way to force them on backfoot is by showing force!!

 

[Path-Finder]

These guys are deshdrohi.

 

[Reddington]

Young boys tortured in Kashmir clampdown as new figures show 13,000 teenagers arrested

25 SEPTEMBER 2019 • 5:55PM


Anew report claiming thousands of Kashmiri children have been incarcerated has cast doubt on claims life is returning to normal in the state. After visiting Kashmir, activists found around 13,000 boys have been detained since its autonomous status was revoked on Aug 5.

The report, led by the National Federation of Indian Women, detailed claims that boys - some as young as 14 - had been imprisoned for up to 45 days.

It also claimed that families were paying up to 60,000 rupees (£678) for their children’s release.

The Muslim-majority state has been under a rigid curfew and communications blackout since Article 370 and Article 35A were removed last month.

The Jammu and Kashmir government said there is “no centralised figure” for numbers of Kashmiris who have been arrested during the crackdown.


On Monday, however, the Chief of Staff of the Indian Army said any stories of disruption were a "narrative being driven by separatists."

Krishna Saagar Rao, chief spokesperson of India's ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) told the Telegraph it had detained Kashmiri politicians to ensure stability in the state.

“Politicians in the Kashmir valley were plotting to create unrest amongst people by instigating them,” said Mr Rao. According to government data, over 200 local politicians have been detained, including former Chief Ministers Mehbooba Mufti and Omar Abdullah.


Official data on the number of children imprisoned has not been released. It is also unclear why minors have been arrested, although it is believed some have been detained for throwing stones at army personnel.


The activists visited Kashmir between September 17 and 21 and interviewed members of the Jammu and Kashmir police, doctors and professors.

Their report claims the authorities used excessive force when arresting the boys, and that some have been tortured while imprisoned.

Domestic and international media has detailed the use of torture against Kashmiris, including beatings and electric shocks.

On Saturday, a 15-year-old boy committed suicide in Srinagar after allegedly being assaulted by the army.

“It is [an] Indian variant of genocide,” said Annie Raja, the General Secretary of the National Federation of Indian Women. Ms Raja's organisation has called on the India to release all children detained in Kashmir since August 5.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...red-kashmir-clampdown-new-figures-show-13000/

 

[Goenitz]

They should have made re-education camps and brainwash them. Instead they detain them to stop stone pelting and protests. Bad approach.
I mean got criticism and still not did anything useful.

 

[SQ8]

Bro,

You are rushing to judgement here but ignoring other more pressing problems at hand. Pakistan need to address its internal problems first and foremost.

1. WE have irresponsible political parties such as PPP and PML(N) who do not care about the wellbeing of people but mainly interested in corruption and misappropriating funds for personal and political gains. Just look at conditions in Sindh for instance.

2. WE have a dysfunctional economy. WE are not in the position to fight a war with a large country.

3. WE have hypocrisy within. Just look at our entertainment industry, Lollywood in particular - cheap clone of Bollywood.

4. WE have unaccounted for NGOs operating within, poisoning the minds of people.

5. WE have Afghans roaming in Pakistan in huge numbers, and Durand Line to monitor.

6. WE have to monitor Iran as well which is facilitating India.

YOU want to fight a war with India under the aforementioned circumstances? Without any committed allies in the picture who might mitigate other problems for us?

It took us a whole day to come up with a strategy to defeat IAF on February 27, 2019. In a full-scale war, every minute count.

You are not thinking clearly. WE had 70+ years to transform Pakistan into a powerful and righteous nation, but WE failed in this matter. Now the window of doing something about IOK is closing.

Sins of our fathers..

However, the whole day to prep is not a correct narrative as plans for retaliation exist to be executed within a 30 minute window. Since the situation on the ground was unknown(it takes a while to get teams to Balakot, assess any casualties and report back) the response waited for that data. It was then vetted by the NSC before the strike was approved(a few hours lost in this process). After the ok, the PAF monitored the the tactical picture until the window of opportunity opened up when the IAF let its guard down for a bit. Hence the 24 hour delay.

 

[HAIDER]

That's how Indian produce freedom fighters. All Pakistan give moral support on all platforms.

 

[Psychic]

@LeGenD sir is this not war imposed on our muslim bros and sisters on the land we claim?

Do not despair. We will go to war (once our water supply gets blocked). War will be imposed on us, then neither the economy nor the quality of the population will be our main concern. We will suffer, just like the French did when they said "why die for Danzig". Or perhaps we are waiting for the last Kashmiri to die -but by then, it will be too late.
The only alternative is that Modi doesn't invade or block our water supply before his communal policies cause Bharat to implode.

 

[khansaheeb]

I will be surprised, if some one is surprised.
It was known all along, another PM of Pakistanis betrayed Kashmiris.
Only Musharraf did some thing practical, with his hands tied and now is suffering for that.

We betrayed the Sikhs too.

Bro,

You are rushing to judgement here but ignoring other more pressing problems at hand. Pakistan need to address its internal problems first and foremost.

1. WE have irresponsible political parties such as PPP and PML(N) who do not care about the wellbeing of people but mainly interested in corruption and misappropriating funds for personal and political gains. Just look at conditions in Sindh for instance.

2. WE have a dysfunctional economy. WE are not in the position to fight a war with a large country.

3. WE have hypocrisy within. Just look at our entertainment industry, Lollywood in particular - cheap clone of Bollywood.

4. WE have unaccounted for NGOs operating within, poisoning the minds of people.

5. WE have Afghans roaming in Pakistan in huge numbers, and Durand Line to monitor.

6. WE have to monitor Iran as well which is facilitating India.

YOU want to fight a war with India under the aforementioned circumstances? Without any committed allies in the picture who might mitigate other problems for us?

It took us a whole day to come up with a strategy to defeat IAF on February 27, 2019. In a full-scale war, every minute count.

You are not thinking clearly. WE had 70+ years to transform Pakistan into a powerful and righteous nation, but WE failed in this matter. Now the window of doing something about IOK is closing.

We are always put in this cycle of :-"Pakistan need to address its internal problems first and foremost."
Until the corrupts are got rid of , the ones who let IMF suck us dry, we always be in this cycle of : " Pakistan need to address its internal problems first and foremost."

 

[newb3e]

Do not despair. We will go to war (once our water supply gets blocked). War will be imposed on us, then neither the economy nor the quality of the population will be our main concern. We will suffer, just like the French did when they said "why die for Danzig". Or perhaps we are waiting for the last Kashmiri to die -but by then, it will be too late.
The only alternative is that Modi doesn't invade or block our water supply before his communal policies cause Bharat to implode.

so our claims of kashmir being jugular vein , integral part of Pakistan are all bs and we only care about resources and not the people or land.

we fought 3 wars had animosity with india for 75 years wasted billions maintaining army to counter india all for nothing i guess we should have fkig bowed down after 1947 and continued our dream of economic prosperity and development!

I will be surprised, if some one is surprised.
It was known all along, another PM of Pakistanis betrayed Kashmiris.

bro you blaming the wrong person and wrong institution GoP has no control over foreign or india/kashmir policy.i have a crazy theory but i dont think i should share it on nternet forum

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Unless we do something now, we will find RSS on our doorstep.

Fascism is a kind of ideology which can never be appeased.

The Hindu mind has convinced itself of an inferiority complex and victimhood, which has given the RSS a free hand to avenge Hindus against Muslims, Christians, Dalits, etc.

The only way to defeat fascism is to deny it it’s food. We have to militarily defeat India and secure that victory on the political front as well.

We are in for a long fight, but there was an assurance that we are on the correct side and have Allah swt’s blessings.