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Indian Air Force sources have said there was never any doubt on the outcome of the launch of a SPYDER missile on February 27 from the Srinagar air base.

NEW DELHI:
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    • Air Force inquiry into shoot-down of its chopper will be over in 20 days
    • An Israeli-made SPYDER surface-to-air missile was launched
    • Final order to fire likely given after failing to identify the chopper


The Indian Air Force's inquiry into the accidental shoot down of its own Mi-17 chopper on February 27 will be over within 20 days. The summary of evidence will be presented immediately afterwards and those responsible for the death of 6 IAF personnel onboard the chopper and a civilian on the ground may be charged with culpable homicide not amounting to murder as specified by military law under the Air Force Act 1950.

Sources in the Indian Air Force have told NDTV that there was never any doubt on the outcome of the launch of an Israeli-made SPYDER surface-to-air missile on February 27 from the Srinagar air base. The investigation has taken time because the IAF is determined to apportion blame for this incident.

IAF sources have indicated to NDTV that the entire shoot-down sequence from the moment the missile was launched to the moment of impact lasted approximately 12 seconds. The Mi-17 helicopter had no means of knowing it was under attack.

NDTV has also learned of the likely sequence of events which resulted in an incorrect decision to launch the surface-to-air missile.

Between 10 and 10:30 am on the morning of February 27, eight Indian Air Force fighters were vectored to intercept upto 24 Pakistan Air Force fighters including a group of F-16s which crossed the Line of Control and fired weapons in the direction of Indian Army positions along the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir.

With an active air battle raging on the West, air defences across Kashmir were on the highest state of alert with surface-to-air missile units on alert and ready to engage any Pakistani aircraft which made an incursion.

It was at this same time that air defence radars at Srinagar airport picked up a low flying aircraft on their screens. The senior officer manning the post of Terminal Weapons Director (TWD) at the time was likely the Chief Operations Officer of the Air Base.

This officer may have given the final order to fire after the helicopter, designated a slow flying target, could not be identified through a critical system called the Identification, Friend or Foe (IFF) transponder.

IFF systems onboard an aircraft listen for an ''interrogation signal'' from the ground and then respond with a unique signal which identifies it as a ''friendly.'' The system is specifically designed to ensure that friendly-fire incidents are avoided during the heat of battle. It is unclear if the IAF helicopter's IFF was switched off or was not functioning at the time when it was shot down.

Sources have indicated to NDTV that a series of additional steps may not have been followed in the moments prior to the launch of the Spyder surface-to-air missile. The role of the Indian Air Force's Air Traffic Control at Srinagar airbase is also being looked at very closely by the Court of Inquiry. ATC maintains a flight plan of all aircraft that have taken off or are expected at the air base.

It is unclear whether the Terminal Weapons Director inquired and was told by the ATC that no friendly aircraft were flying in the area. It is equally unclear why details of the movement of the Mi-17 helicopter were not available with the officer in the first place.

Moments later, the order to launch was passed on to the SPYDER surface-to-air missile unit. Described as a short and medium range mobile air defence system, the system is among the newest and most advanced in the Indian Air Force's arsenal. The single missile which was launched would have quickly accelerated to Mach 4, four times the speed of sound as it sped to its target. Destruction of the slow flying helicopter, was almost guaranteed.

Senior IAF officers have denied reports that the Court of Inquiry is considering video of the shoot down of the Mi-17. According to sources, video showing the missile streaking towards the helicopter exists and is a part of the body of evidence which has been presented. 'The helicopter was 6-7 kilometres away. There is no way that a camera was present to zoom into the point of impact at that range'' say senior IAF officers.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/exc...yed-its-own-chopper-2040762?pfrom=home-livetv
 
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unidentified flying bogey heading 262 angels 3 176 knots you are entering a no flying zone and will be shot down, ident and squak .... repeat on civilian emergency broadcast as well

isnt this a standard practice?
 
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frankly, now I KNOW that the chopper was shot down by a PAF AMRAAM! choppers carry this thing called an IFF transceiver just like other aircrafts...they would've known that it was one of their own. Even in override, common sense dictates (yeah I know, common sense and indians don't really get along much but still...) that upon having identified the chopper as their own through IFF, they would have AT LEAST tried to find out whats going on and even contacted the chopper. it was a chopper, not a friggin' jet that it would've gotten away so fast!

india is making its own iaf look like a bunch of bumbling fools just to hide the butt-whooping it suffered at the hands of the PAF! 8-)
 
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Pakistan lost the opportunity to bring ever lasting peace and eventual prosperity to the region.
Now there's no point beating the line in sand, but not killing the snake, when it's head was under your feet.
Now wait until US and Israel help India fix it's its deficiencies.... keep watching, how India reform it's air-force in coming days.
 
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unidentified flying bogey heading 262 angels 3 176 knots you are entering a no flying zone and will be shot down, ident and squak .... repeat on civilian emergency broadcast as well

isnt this a standard practice?
When there is an escalated scenario, I don't think that procedure is followed. It applies during peace time but when IAF clearly knows PAF jets are inside it's airspace, they must've shot down the moment IFF didn't respond back
 
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This IAF Mi17 Helicopter loss by its own surface to air israeli missile is what almost every Pakistani was saying from Feb 27. It was red on red what Alan Warnes said, what our PAF Air Chief Anwar Khan said as quoted. It was Indian own kill. It was continous blackening of Indian lies on defence.pk this discussion forum exposed India to world.

Pakistan never officially claimed Mi17 shot down. what it claimed 6 targets in India engaged and 2 IAF Fighter Aircrafts shot down...and it has been proven Pakistanis were truthful and honest.

Whereas these third class Indians were saying Mi17 crashed due to "Techincal Failure". These dogs lied throughout on internet and continous ranting by media, Modi Govt and the Indian Armed Forces ruthlessly lied and lied to the world....while the world kept on exposing these bastards again n again.

WTF they said, Mi17 crashed due to "Techincal Failure" ??? Was it now?
 
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This IAF Mi17 Helicopter loss by its own surface to air israeli missile is what almost every Pakistani was saying from Feb 27. It was continius blackening Indian lies. Pakistan never official claimed Mi17 shot down. what it claimed 6 targets in India engaged and 2 IAF Fighter Aircrafts shot down...and it has been proven Pakistanis were truthful and honest.


Whereas these third class Indians were saying MI17 crashed due to "Techincal Failure". These dogs lied through out and continous, media, Indian Govt and the Indian Armed Forces lied and lied to the world....while the world kept on exposing these bastards again n again.

WTF they said, Mi17 crashed due to "Techincal Failure" ???

Apparently, we could have won this war without even using our ammunition.
All we needed to do was hang in there, until evening of 27th Feb. On the contrary we were busy serving tea to aggressor.
This nation is only talk... but when it comes for action against Indian aggression, they take U turn, just like the disciple of pinky Irani.
 
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This IAF Mi17 Helicopter loss by its own surface to air israeli missile is what almost every Pakistani was saying from Feb 27. It was continius blackening Indian lies. Pakistan never official claimed Mi17 shot down. what it claimed 6 targets in India engaged and 2 IAF Fighter Aircrafts shot down...and it has been proven Pakistanis were truthful and honest
Mi-17 was shot down at Badgam which is very close to Srinagar and PAF didn't come that deep which is why they couldn't claim Mi-17. Regarding Su-30, Ghafoor said he had 2 pilots in custody and reverted back to one.

While I neither believe IAF's claim of F-16 nor PAF's claim of Su-30, PAF shot down the Mig-21 while the only aspect IAF could claim is going deeper into Pak's territory while it makes sense why PAF didn't go that deep since it knows IAF's SAMs & fighter jets would be on high alert.

The biggest drawback is IAF's decision to use only 8x Soviet era Mig-21 and we don't know how many Su-30s were there in those 8 to counter 24x PAF jets which consisted a mix of F-16s & JF-17s
 
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"Between 10 and 10:30 am on the morning of February 27, eight Indian Air Force fighters were vectored to intercept upto 24 Pakistan Air Force fighters including a group of F-16s which crossed the Line of Control and fired weapons in the direction of Indian Army positions along the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir."

Why has this article not copy pasted a sentence about f-16 having been shot down by mig 21? Surely any unrelated study that is setting the scene of the fabled 24 Paf jet incursion

Must include mention of the shoot down??
 
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Mi-17 was shot down at Badgam which is very close to Srinagar and PAF didn't come that deep which is why they couldn't claim Mi-17. Regarding Su-30, Ghafoor said he had 2 pilots in custody and reverted back to one.

While I neither believe IAF's claim of F-16 nor PAF's claim of Su-30, PAF won this round by shooting down the Mig-21 while the only aspect IAF could boast is going deeper into Pak's territory while it makes sense why PAF didn't go that deep since it knows IAF's SAMs & fighter jets would be on high alert.

The biggest drawback is IAF's decision to use only 8x Soviet era Mig-21 and we don't know how many Su-30s were there in those 8 to counter 24x PAF jets which consisted a mix of F-16s & JF-17s

In reality it doesn't matter what you believe. Several eye witness videos show 2 planes being shot down and at least 2 parachutes very clearly. Since it wasn't F-16 (check Abhinandan's missiles) it is SU-30 doesn't matter if you believe it.
 
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The biggest drawback is IAF's decision to use only 8x Soviet era Mig-21 and we don't know how many Su-30s were there in those 8 to counter 24x PAF jets which consisted a mix of F-16s & JF-17s

Mig-21 is the one of the best interceptor fighter jet and can take into air within a minute or two, thats why PAF also use F-7/F-7PG for interception.
 
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