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104 to 0: The F-15 Eagle Is The Fighter No Air Force Can Beat

The US has been jamming Russian radars since the 60's. Forgot the U-2 flights? And the US tech used by Israel? The Arabs have yet to destroy more than a handful of the Israeli jets in over 60 years. That's some record. All Arab nations were using Russian radars against the Israelis. The SU-30's radar isn't built on magical wave concept. Same X-band waves whether you talk about BARS or Irbis PESA's.

I believed that Russia posses the best Radar sets in the modern world courtesy of Mr. Carlo Kopp. You mean to say that US can still jam Russian radars? How about the Russians? Can they do the same to US setups?
 
Anyone who's not a participating pilot claiming to know what happened in India-US exercises doesn't know much. Things are complicated and both Su30 and F15 had their share of limelight.

Cope India 2004:

India uses Su30MK, not Su30MKI. This is the basic Su30 without MKI avionics and canards. No AESA, obviously.
Experienced pilots.
F15 didn't have AESA. All pilots weren't experienced.
India outnumbered US, reportedly.
No BVR fired.

Result: Most confirm India won it 9:1.
Colonel Mike Snodgrass, commander of the 3rd Wing: “The outcome of the exercise boils down to (the fact that) they ran tactics that were more advanced than we expected. They could come up with a game plan, but if it wasn’t working they would call an audible and change (tactics in flight).”

Colonel Greg Newbech: “What we’ve seen in the last two weeks is the IAF can stand toe-to-toe with the best air force in the world. I pity the pilot who has to face the IAF and chances the day to underestimate him; because he won’t be going home. They made good decisions about when to bring their strikers in. The MiG-21s would be embedded with a (MiG-27) Flogger for integral protection. There was a data link between the Flankers that was used to pass information. They built a very good (radar) picture of what we were doing and were able to make good decisions about when to roll (their aircraft) in and out.”


Red Flag 2008:

MKI didn't use the radars.
It's understood that India used less experienced pilots this time.

Much less info is available. Most quote a USAF pilot's speech belittling the MKI and Su30 in general. The speech was for an American audience and he also made many factual errors about Indian/Russian aircrafts. So this is widely considered a chest thumping and is also rejected by India.

But his criticism was focused on the Su30 engines and FOD and unnecessary manoeuvring showing off by the inexperienced Indian pilots which all resulted in F15 winning.
He didn't give a kill ratio and sounded like bragging and made factual errors.

But he also said that it'll be hard to beat the MKI when the Indian pilots become more experienced.
 
Anyone who's not a participating pilot claiming to know what happened in India-US exercises is lying. Things are complicated and both Su30 and F15 had their share of limelight.

Cope India 2004:

India uses Su30MK, not Su30MKI. This is the basic Su30 without MKI avionics and canards. No AESA, obviously.
Experienced pilots.
F15 didn't have AESA. All pilots weren't experienced.
India outnumbered US, reportedly.
No BVR fired.

Result: Most confirm India won it 9:1.
Colonel Mike Snodgrass, commander of the 3rd Wing: “The outcome of the exercise boils down to (the fact that) they ran tactics that were more advanced than we expected. They could come up with a game plan, but if it wasn’t working they would call an audible and change (tactics in flight).”

Colonel Greg Newbech: “What we’ve seen in the last two weeks is the IAF can stand toe-to-toe with the best air force in the world. I pity the pilot who has to face the IAF and chances the day to underestimate him; because he won’t be going home. They made good decisions about when to bring their strikers in. The MiG-21s would be embedded with a (MiG-27) Flogger for integral protection. There was a data link between the Flankers that was used to pass information. They built a very good (radar) picture of what we were doing and were able to make good decisions about when to roll (their aircraft) in and out.”


Red Flag 2008:

MKI didn't use the radars.
It's understood that India used less experienced pilots this time.

Much less info is available. Most quote a USAF pilot's speech belittling the MKI and Su30 in general. The speech was for an American audience and he also made many factual errors about Indian/Russian aircrafts. So this is widely considered a chest thumping and is also rejected by India.

But his criticism was focused on the Su30 engines and FOD and unnecessary manoeuvring showing off by the inexperienced Indian pilots which all resulted in F15 winning.
He didn't give a kill ratio and sounded like bragging and made factual errors.

But he also said that it'll be hard to beat the MKI when the Indian pilots become more experienced.
currently it has no AESA but a PAESA radar:p: and where are there source of this crap article some indian news paper/indian blogpost:enjoy: yeah yeah your MKI is out of this universe, 1000000000000 gen god fighter:lol::rofl: evey weapon in india's hand is out of this universe better equipped/ generations ahead than manufacturer:jester::suicide::suicide2::man_in_love::hang2::hang3::omghaha::sarcastic:
 
So you are saying that Allah is being mysterious about how many US fighters got shot down. Got it...
Are You trying to make Fun of the Creator Allah here:o:.

Since you are unable to reply my remaining post so it means you have nothing more to say or to counter the argument
 
Are You trying to make Fun of the Creator Allah here:o:.

Since you are unable to reply my remaining post so it means you have nothing more to say or to counter the argument
He's just being sarcastic with you particularly. I would take his word as he's former USAF and an Eagle driver.....he pretty much knows his stuff well.
 
You'd also hear that they didn't fly either. The F-15's were the only one's flying with AWACS support and were target practicing at parked SU-30's :rofl:. Majority of the time, they were locking onto F-15's, about 50 meters away from the actual fighter. Good luck with that :-). The only few lock-ons that were allowed for feel-better situations for visiting guests were during dog fights when SU-30's used their TVC's. The USAF pilots have 0 reason to dog fight anyone as the game is now played from over 100-150 miles away. You should ask some IAF member on here.

The US has been jamming Russian radars since the 60's. Forgot the U-2 flights? And the US tech used by Israel? The Arabs have yet to destroy more than a handful of the Israeli jets in over 60 years. That's some record. All Arab nations were using Russian radars against the Israelis. The SU-30's radar isn't built on magical wave concept. Same X-band waves whether you talk about BARS or Irbis PESA's.
No one is denying the superior tech USAF enjoys. If there is an official result i'd like to see and of course i heard quite the opposite of what you are saying from Indian members. I have no ways to either verify or deny their claims hence i asked you to share official results, if there are any.
 
He's just being sarcastic with you particularly. I would take his word as he's former USAF and an Eagle driver.....he pretty much knows his stuff well.
Ok.Thanks
I know he is being Sarcastic and dodging the Argument but he could have at least tried :-)
 
Has Anyone Ever Shot Down an F-15 in Air Combat?
Part one
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WIB AIRWIB HISTORY December 29, 2017 Tom Cooper


According to official releases from Boeing and the U.S. Air Force, the F-15 Eagle has a clear-cut win-to-loss ratio of 104 to zero. But in fact, opposing air forces have claimed, in nearly a dozen cases, to have shot down the iconic, twin-engine fighter.

All the claims have one thing in common. The claimants were never able to provide any evidence for their supposed victories.

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The earliest report is mostly unknown to the public. Beginning in 1978, Iraqi sources claimed that an Iraqi air force MiG-23MS from No. 39 Squadron shot down an Israeli F-15 over western Iraq. Former Iraqi air force officers have repeated the claim over the years without ever offering any evidence.

The next supposed F-15 shoot-down, from the spring of 1981, is better-known. Several different versions of the story have circulated over the decades, nearly all of them in Russian media.

In the most frequently cited version, on Feb. 13, 1981, Israeli F-15s ambushed a pair of Syrian MiG-25Ps and shot one down. In revenge, so the story goes, the Syrians set up an ambush on June 29, 1981. The Syrian MiG-25Ps destroyed one F-15 using two R-40/AA-6 Acrid air-to-air missiles fired from the range of 25 miles.

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According to various Russian and Syrian narratives, Syrian MiG-25R reconnaissance aircraft were involved in at least one, more likely two or more clashes with Israeli F-15s. Photo via ACIG.info

There are problems with this story. Neither the Syrians nor the Russians have ever provided any evidence, such as radar tapes or wreckage. Another issue is that the Syrian air force never actually received any MiG-25Ps. Syria acquired several batches of Foxbats, including two of MiG-25PDS interceptors, but no MiG-25Ps.

While frequently described as a downgraded export variant of the Foxbat, the MiG-25PDS was actually much better-equipped than the early interceptor variant was. In addition to the powerful Smerch 2A radar of the MiG-25P, it had an infrared search-and-track system under the forward fuselage, radar warning receivers in blisters on the intakes and big chaff and flare dispensers in place of the wing fences.

Any source citing “Syrian MiG-25Ps” is of dubious quality.

Furthermore, the Foxbat the Israelis shot down in February 1981 was a MiG-25R – a reconnaissance variant – flying over Lebanon all by itself. This is of particular importance because, in contrast to the Russian claims, the Syrians claim that a MiG-25PDS flying alone shot down the F-15 in retaliation.

According to the Syrian version of the story, the MiG-25PDS mimicked a MiG-25R on a reconnaissance sortie by flying very high and fast in the direction of Beirut. When eight Israeli F-15s rose to intercept, the Syrian pilot fired two R-40s at their leader — one from around 37 miles, the other from slightly less than 31 miles, well outside the range of AIM-7F Sparrows, the longest-ranged air-to-air missiles in the Israeli arsenal in 1981.


According to the Syrians, the stricken F-15 crashed into the sea off the coast of Tire. The Israeli pilot supposedly ejected. Recalling the same encounter, the Israelis reported that their F-15s shot down on MiG-25 with a Sparrow missile.

In a well-known case from late afternoon of June 9, 1982, a Syrian MiG-21 pilot struck an F-15D with a single R-60/AA-8 Aphid missile. Despite severe damage, the pilot of the big U.S.-made fighter managed to fly it back to Israel for an emergency landing, and his aircraft was subsequently repaired.

There are a few more claims from this era worth considering. On July 3, 1982, eight Syrian MiG-21s clashed with four each Israeli F-15s and either Mirage IIICJs or Kfirs over Beirut. While admitting the loss of four own fighters, the Syrians claimed to have shot down an Eagle, too.

There is not one known Israeli publication mentioning this aerial battle, although this engagement was witnessed by dozens of people on the ground and widely reported by the Lebanese media.

Finally, several Russian publications have cited no fewer than three further claims against Israeli F-15s – all in 1983. Supposedly, Syrian MiG-23MLs shot down two F-15s on Oct. 4 and another on Dec. 4. The Russian sources provided no evidence in support of these claims, not even the names of the Syrian pilots who were involved.
During Saddam's war on Iran, this guy harassed F-15s that had violated Iranian airspace shooting 1 or 2 of Iran's F-4s :
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I guess it was the only serious confrontation between F-14 and F-15 in which Eagle was defeated and forced to leave the area thanks to AN/AWG-9 long range radars of Phoenix missiles. Note, Saudi F-15s had American pilots. There are rumors that Iranian pilots shot 2 or 3 F-15s killing 2-3 American pilots in revenge of downed F-4s. After this bravery of Iranian pilots, Americans never dared to repeat their stupidity

F-15 is not untouched :D
 
During Saddam's war on Iran, this guy harassed F-15s that had violated Iranian airspace shooting 1 or 2 of Iran's F-4s :
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I guess it was the only serious confrontation between F-14 and F-15 in which Eagle was defeated and forced to leave the area thanks to AN/AWG-9 long range radars of Phoenix missiles. Note, Saudi F-15s had American pilots. There are rumors that Iranian pilots shot 2 or 3 F-15s killing 2-3 American pilots in revenge of downed F-4s. After this bravery of Iranian pilots, Americans never dared to repeat their stupidity

F-15 is not untouched :D
The RSAF had American instructor pilots attached to their squadrons but none were there to conduct operational missions for their air force. Also where are the F-15 wreckages that were supposedly shot down by those "brave" Iranian pilots ?? How come this is the first time it has been brought up. Or is it a make-it, believe-it myth based on local Iranian pride ?? And who was the guy that harassed the F-4s ??

Just asking out of my curiosity, pardon my sarcasm. By the way, here's a link you can read below.
http://www.nytimes.com/1984/06/06/world/2-iranian-fighters-reported-downed-by-saudi-air-force.html
 
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The RSAF had instructor pilots attached to their squadrons but none were there to conduct operational missions for their air force. Also where are the F-15 wreckages that were supposedly shot down by those "brave" Iranian pilots ?? How come this is the first time it has been brought up. Or is it a make-it, believe-it myth based on local Iranian pride ?? And who was the guy that harassed the F-4s ??

Just asking out of my curiosity, pardon my sarcasm. By the way, here's a link you can read below.
http://www.nytimes.com/1984/06/06/world/2-iranian-fighters-reported-downed-by-saudi-air-force.html
I was talking about the same source, Iranian officials haven't said much about this incident.

Iranian AWACS recorded the conversation between F-15s, proved pilots were Americans. Eagles downed 1 or 2 F-4s, some sources say 1 F-4 but there are claims about 2 F-4s too.

When you are at war my friend, you cannot sit and watch foreign fighters are coming to shoot your fighters and leave safely. Americans without a harsh response wouldn't stop their operations. Pilots were surely American, there is no doubt because of the recorded conversations. After downing of the F-4 by them, IRIAF planned different operations to rebuke Americans. As i said there is no 100% proof for what i claimed about downing of F-15s but don't you expect suopa dupa of Murricans to tell you about their losses in confronting with Iranian pilots.

Again, i can surely say that F-14s had harassed F-15s. It's 100% true

There is no Saudi pilot in this story LOL
 
currently it has no AESA but a PAESA radar:p: and where are there source of this crap article some indian news paper/indian blogpost:enjoy: yeah yeah your MKI is out of this universe, 1000000000000 gen god fighter:lol::rofl: evey weapon in india's hand is out of this universe better equipped/ generations ahead than manufacturer:jester::suicide::suicide2::man_in_love::hang2::hang3::omghaha::sarcastic:
When did I say it has AESA!
I said "No AESA, obviously" because neither Su30 nor MKI have it. It's The difference is avionics and canards.
My point was that neither F15 nor Su30 had AESA. I mentioned it because it's important in BVR, which wasn't carried out.

I've clearly mentioned the sources and have added zero personal opinion or blog opinion.
 
When did I say it has AESA!
I said "No AESA, obviously" because neither Su30 nor MKI have it. It's The difference is avionics and canards.
My point was that neither F15 nor Su30 had AESA. I mentioned it because it's important in BVR, which wasn't carried out.

I've clearly mentioned the sources and have added zero personal opinion or blog opinion.
Than why you think that F-15 not have a latest avionics/ AESA radars ever heard a AN/APG-63 V3:p::enjoy: and think that F-15 still using a cold war avionics/radars
 
Than why you think that F-15 not have a latest avionics/ AESA radars ever heard a AN/APG-63 V3:p::enjoy: and think that F-15 still using a cold war avionics/radars
I said none of this.
Only said that neither had AESA and BVR wasn't conducted.
Both have really good passive radars.

Don't argue for the sake of arguing. It was a neutral description of the two exercises.
 

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