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10 captives, Over 20 soldiers, including Commanding Officer killed at Galwan border clash with China

But Modi cann't say the word: CHINA!!
How come Trump had the foresight.
Remember his tweet of "CHINA" maybe he was trolling Surrender MODI who can't say the magic word that tweet of Trump was on May 29th its July 5th and Modi still can't pronounce "CHINA" :lol:
 

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How come Trump had the foresight.
Remember his tweet of "CHINA" maybe he was trolling Surrender MODI who can't say the magic word that tweet of Trump was on May 29th its July 5th and Modi still can't pronounce "CHINA" :lol:
Can't see it. It's a bit too small.
 
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Changa mean china?
The cartoon is a play on Modi's self-proclaimed and publicised role as India's "chowkidar" or "gatekeeper".

He is telling the people whom he is guarding that "all is well, keep sleeping soundly".

This particular cartoonist does good cartoons.
 
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Indian soldiers unarmed and caught by surprise in China clash, families say
Rupam Jain and Sanjeev Miglani
July 5, 2020, 7:31 PM EDT

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Indian soldiers unarmed and caught by surprise in China clash, families say
FILE PHOTO: Demonstrators shout slogans as they burn an effigy depicting Chinese President Xi Jinping during a protest against China, in Kolkata


By Rupam Jain and Sanjeev Miglani

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Indian soldiers who died in close combat with Chinese troops last month were unarmed and surrounded by a larger force on a steep ridge, Indian government sources, two soldiers deployed in the area and families of the fallen men said.

One of the Indian soldiers had his throat slit with metal nails in the darkness, his father told Reuters, saying he had been told by a fellow soldier who was there.

Others fell to their deaths in the freezing waters of the Galwan river in the western Himalayas, relatives have learned from witnesses.

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Twenty Indian soldiers died in the June 15 clash on the de facto border separating the two armies. The soldiers all belonged to the 16th Bihar Regiment deployed in the Galwan region.

No shots were fired, but it was the biggest loss of life in combat between the nuclear-armed neighbours since 1967, when the simmering border dispute flared into deadly battles.

Reuters spoke to relatives of 13 of the men who were killed, and in five cases they produced death certificates listing horrific injuries suffered during the six-hour night-time clash at 14,000 ft (4,267 metres) amid remote, barren mountains.

Reuters contacted the military hospital in India's Ladakh region where the bodies were brought. The hospital declined to comment on the cause of death and said that the bodies were sent to the families along with the death certificates.

Reuters also spoke to two soldiers of the Bihar Regiment deployed in the area, who were among those who accompanied the bodies of fallen colleagues to their homes in the area. They were not directly involved in the melee.

The soldiers cannot be named because of military rules and all the families asked for anonymity because they said they were not supposed to speak about military matters.

The Indian defence ministry did not respond to a request for comment on the fighting on June 15.

In response to a Reuters query, a China foreign ministry spokesperson repeated previous statements blaming the Indian side for crossing the de facto border and provoking the Chinese.

"When Chinese officers and soldiers went there to negotiate, they were suddenly and violently attacked by the Indian troops," the spokesperson said. "The rights and wrongs of the incident are very clear. The responsibility absolutely does not lie with the Chinese."

China has not provided evidence of Indian aggression. China's defence ministry did not respond to a request for comment.

'ARTERIES RUPTURED'

Three of the dead men had their "arteries ruptured in the neck" and two sustained head injuries caused by "sharp or pointed objects", the death certificates seen by Reuters said.

There were visible marks on the neck and forehead, all five documents said.

"It was a free-for-all, they fought with whatever they could lay their hands on - rods, sticks, and even with their bare hands," said a government official in Delhi briefed on the clash.

The Indian government has said that the People's Liberation Army (PLA) acted in a premeditated manner, but it has not provided a full account of the clash that stunned the country and stoked popular anger against China.

China has dismissed an Indian government minister's claim that China had lost 40 soldiers from the PLA's western theatre command deployed in Galwan.

Its envoy to Delhi suggested in remarks to local media and posted on the embassy website that there had been losses on both sides.

"The Indian army suddenly and violently attacked the Chinese officers and soldiers who went for negotiation, causing fierce physical conflicts and casualties between the two sides," Sun Weidong said.

Indian government officials have told Reuters that the conflict began when the commanding officer of the Bihar regiment led a small party to Patrol Point 14 to verify whether the Chinese had made good their promise to withdraw from the disputed site and dismantle structures they had built there.

But instead they came under attack by Chinese soldiers using iron rods and wooden clubs with nails studded in them on a narrow ledge barely four metres wide overlooking the Galwan river.

BODIES FOUND IN RIVER

In recent weeks the world's two most populous countries have mobilised more forces along the 3,488 km Line of Actual Control (LAC), and the renewed hostilities have triggered a diplomatic and commercial spat that threatens to escalate, experts including former Indian military officers say.

The possibility that unarmed Indian soldiers were overrun by a larger force could further fuel resentment against China and raise questions about why Indian soldiers were sent to a tense frontline without being armed.

"How dare China kill our unarmed soldiers. Why were our soldiers sent unarmed to martyrdom?" Rahul Gandhi, leader of the main opposition Congress party wrote in a tweet, demanding the government provide a full account.

A relative of one of the soldiers who accompanied Colonel Santosh Babu, the commanding officer, to the site of two tents erected by the Chinese troops told Reuters that members of the Indian patrol were unarmed.

They were confronted by a small group of Chinese soldiers and an argument ensued over the tents and a small observation tower the relative said, on the basis of conversations with two other soldiers who were present.

Reuters was unable to establish all of the details of what happened, but government officials in New Delhi briefed on the incident said that at some point Indian troops took down the observation post and the tents because they were on India's side of the LAC.

Soon after the Indian side came under attack from a large Chinese force that pelted them with stones and attacked them with sharp-edged weapons, according to the families of three dead Indian soldiers, based on conversations they had with survivors.

Some soldiers retreated to safety on the ridgeline in the darkness, but when they could not find the commanding officer, they re-emerged and came under fresh attack, four family members said.

Babu was among those killed in the fighting, the Indian government said. One of the soldiers deployed in the area that Reuters spoke to said the Indian patrol was outnumbered by the PLA.

"The Chinese side overwhelmed our people by sheer numbers," said the soldier, who overheard radio messages seeking reinforcements being sent to regional headquarters in Ladakh.

Three of the Indian families said they had been told by soldiers who were commissioned to bring the bodies back to them that some combatants pushed each other into the fast-flowing Galwan river.

The government official in Delhi also said bodies of some soldiers were fished out of the river the next morning. Some had succumbed to hypothermia, the official added.

(Additional reporting by Yew Lun Tian and Tony Munroe in Beijing, Fayaz Bukhari in Srinagar, Subrata NagChoudhury in Kolkata, Jatindra Dash in Bhubaneswar, Saurabh Sharma in Lucknow; Editing by Mike Collett-White)
 
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Indian soldiers unarmed and caught by surprise in China clash, families say
Rupam Jain and Sanjeev Miglani
July 5, 2020, 7:31 PM EDT

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Indian soldiers unarmed and caught by surprise in China clash, families say
FILE PHOTO: Demonstrators shout slogans as they burn an effigy depicting Chinese President Xi Jinping during a protest against China, in Kolkata


By Rupam Jain and Sanjeev Miglani

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Indian soldiers who died in close combat with Chinese troops last month were unarmed and surrounded by a larger force on a steep ridge, Indian government sources, two soldiers deployed in the area and families of the fallen men said.

One of the Indian soldiers had his throat slit with metal nails in the darkness, his father told Reuters, saying he had been told by a fellow soldier who was there.

Others fell to their deaths in the freezing waters of the Galwan river in the western Himalayas, relatives have learned from witnesses.

- ADVERTISEMENT -
Twenty Indian soldiers died in the June 15 clash on the de facto border separating the two armies. The soldiers all belonged to the 16th Bihar Regiment deployed in the Galwan region.

No shots were fired, but it was the biggest loss of life in combat between the nuclear-armed neighbours since 1967, when the simmering border dispute flared into deadly battles.

Reuters spoke to relatives of 13 of the men who were killed, and in five cases they produced death certificates listing horrific injuries suffered during the six-hour night-time clash at 14,000 ft (4,267 metres) amid remote, barren mountains.

Reuters contacted the military hospital in India's Ladakh region where the bodies were brought. The hospital declined to comment on the cause of death and said that the bodies were sent to the families along with the death certificates.

Reuters also spoke to two soldiers of the Bihar Regiment deployed in the area, who were among those who accompanied the bodies of fallen colleagues to their homes in the area. They were not directly involved in the melee.

The soldiers cannot be named because of military rules and all the families asked for anonymity because they said they were not supposed to speak about military matters.

The Indian defence ministry did not respond to a request for comment on the fighting on June 15.

In response to a Reuters query, a China foreign ministry spokesperson repeated previous statements blaming the Indian side for crossing the de facto border and provoking the Chinese.

"When Chinese officers and soldiers went there to negotiate, they were suddenly and violently attacked by the Indian troops," the spokesperson said. "The rights and wrongs of the incident are very clear. The responsibility absolutely does not lie with the Chinese."

China has not provided evidence of Indian aggression. China's defence ministry did not respond to a request for comment.

'ARTERIES RUPTURED'

Three of the dead men had their "arteries ruptured in the neck" and two sustained head injuries caused by "sharp or pointed objects", the death certificates seen by Reuters said.

There were visible marks on the neck and forehead, all five documents said.

"It was a free-for-all, they fought with whatever they could lay their hands on - rods, sticks, and even with their bare hands," said a government official in Delhi briefed on the clash.

The Indian government has said that the People's Liberation Army (PLA) acted in a premeditated manner, but it has not provided a full account of the clash that stunned the country and stoked popular anger against China.

China has dismissed an Indian government minister's claim that China had lost 40 soldiers from the PLA's western theatre command deployed in Galwan.

Its envoy to Delhi suggested in remarks to local media and posted on the embassy website that there had been losses on both sides.

"The Indian army suddenly and violently attacked the Chinese officers and soldiers who went for negotiation, causing fierce physical conflicts and casualties between the two sides," Sun Weidong said.

Indian government officials have told Reuters that the conflict began when the commanding officer of the Bihar regiment led a small party to Patrol Point 14 to verify whether the Chinese had made good their promise to withdraw from the disputed site and dismantle structures they had built there.

But instead they came under attack by Chinese soldiers using iron rods and wooden clubs with nails studded in them on a narrow ledge barely four metres wide overlooking the Galwan river.

BODIES FOUND IN RIVER

In recent weeks the world's two most populous countries have mobilised more forces along the 3,488 km Line of Actual Control (LAC), and the renewed hostilities have triggered a diplomatic and commercial spat that threatens to escalate, experts including former Indian military officers say.

The possibility that unarmed Indian soldiers were overrun by a larger force could further fuel resentment against China and raise questions about why Indian soldiers were sent to a tense frontline without being armed.

"How dare China kill our unarmed soldiers. Why were our soldiers sent unarmed to martyrdom?" Rahul Gandhi, leader of the main opposition Congress party wrote in a tweet, demanding the government provide a full account.

A relative of one of the soldiers who accompanied Colonel Santosh Babu, the commanding officer, to the site of two tents erected by the Chinese troops told Reuters that members of the Indian patrol were unarmed.

They were confronted by a small group of Chinese soldiers and an argument ensued over the tents and a small observation tower the relative said, on the basis of conversations with two other soldiers who were present.

Reuters was unable to establish all of the details of what happened, but government officials in New Delhi briefed on the incident said that at some point Indian troops took down the observation post and the tents because they were on India's side of the LAC.

Soon after the Indian side came under attack from a large Chinese force that pelted them with stones and attacked them with sharp-edged weapons, according to the families of three dead Indian soldiers, based on conversations they had with survivors.

Some soldiers retreated to safety on the ridgeline in the darkness, but when they could not find the commanding officer, they re-emerged and came under fresh attack, four family members said.

Babu was among those killed in the fighting, the Indian government said. One of the soldiers deployed in the area that Reuters spoke to said the Indian patrol was outnumbered by the PLA.

"The Chinese side overwhelmed our people by sheer numbers," said the soldier, who overheard radio messages seeking reinforcements being sent to regional headquarters in Ladakh.

Three of the Indian families said they had been told by soldiers who were commissioned to bring the bodies back to them that some combatants pushed each other into the fast-flowing Galwan river.

The government official in Delhi also said bodies of some soldiers were fished out of the river the next morning. Some had succumbed to hypothermia, the official added.

(Additional reporting by Yew Lun Tian and Tony Munroe in Beijing, Fayaz Bukhari in Srinagar, Subrata NagChoudhury in Kolkata, Jatindra Dash in Bhubaneswar, Saurabh Sharma in Lucknow; Editing by Mike Collett-White)
So just because the Indians said their soldiers were unarmed means they were actually unarmed? And also doesn't the authors being Indian themselves hurt the credibility of the article? Surely if an article was written by Chinese authors on the Chinese version of events the Indians would already be scrambling to destroy their credibility.
 
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India has mastered the art of isolation.

7 front war through isolation warfare?
@Joe Shearer can you enlighten us whats going on?What kind of war doctrine is this? The new cold isolation start?
Are you guys going to war? On serious note next 72 hours are very very crucial.


 
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India has mastered the art of isolation.

7 front war through isolation warfare?
@Joe Shearer can you enlighten us whats going on?What kind of war doctrine is this? The new cold isolation start?
Are you guys going to war? On serious note next 72 hours are very very crucial.



First, you are running a serious risk of irreversible brain damage watching this or any other Indian media except NDTV and The Hindu.

Second, nobody can isolate China; that ship has sailed, it sailed roughly in the 70s of the previous century. In 1967, China had exactly one other nation supporting it, and that was Albania, whose slogan was 'We and the Chinese are 600 million strong'.

Third, that remark about cold isolation start was very witty. Very droll. You display unexpected variation in your style and writing craft, and ought to be given your place in the Sun. Perhaps the appropriate literary prize committees are already seized of the matter.

Fourth, it seems that the Chinese came into this with the intention of fighting, but somewhere something did not go according their original plan - whatever that was. They seem to have suffered unexpectedly large casualties, judging by their uncertain actions; external sources indicate fairly heavy casualties. So we have to see if they keep to their original plan, or change it. There is no point in discussing this; the Chinese released theircasalt

Fifth, the understanding in the joint meetings of the senior commanders is that every step is to be verified by those senior officers, and nothing will be left to the officers on the spot to claim or to rebut. If there is progress, it will be verifiable, if there is failure, there will either be conflict or further negotiations. The dispute at Sumdorong Chu took seven months to settle; we have all seen how long it took at Doklam. Nothing useful will happen in a day or two.

Sixth, there will have been many conquests and re-conquests of India by then, especially on PDF. It is advisable to stockpile ammunition, in case you want to see that, and want to be a victor in the Battle of the Ether Waves.

"I wish you good fortune in the wars that are to come".
 
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Fourth, it seems that the Chinese came into this with the intention of fighting, but somewhere something did not go according their original plan - whatever that was. They seem to have suffered unexpectedly large casualties, judging by their uncertain actions; external sources indicate fairly heavy casualties. So we have to see if they keep to their original plan, or change it. There is no point in discussing this; the Chinese released theircasalt

If you think "unexpecteedly large casualties" would deter China from accomplishing their original calculted strategic plan, you would be mistaken, very Indianness. CPC always measures its casualty in "thousands" not in "tens" .
 
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If you think "unexpecteedly large casualties" would deter China from accomplishing their original calculted strategic plan, you would be mistaken, very Indianness. Chinese measures casualty in "thousands" not in "tens" .

You must be right. My 'Indianness' betrays me every time. The intention was not to suggest that China would be deterred, but to share information. However, inadvertently, it betrayed to the sharp-eyed observer the South Asian nature of the intention.

Congratulations on an insightful and very useful post.

So just because the Indians said their soldiers were unarmed means they were actually unarmed? And also doesn't the authors being Indian themselves hurt the credibility of the article? Surely if an article was written by Chinese authors on the Chinese version of events the Indians would already be scrambling to destroy their credibility.

Your very dignified decision to scramble slowly, in sharp contrast to Indians, is noted.
 
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You must be right. My 'Indianness' betrays me every time. The intention was not to suggest that China would be deterred, but to share information. However, inadvertently, it betrayed to the sharp-eyed observer the South Asian nature of the intention.

Congratulations on an insightful and very useful post.



Your very dignified decision to scramble slowly, in sharp contrast to Indians, is noted.


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