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    Creating Turkmen entity in Mesopotamia?

    You guys are speaking about different things. Armstrong makes a very important point and should not be disparaged for it. At the same time, Atatwolf is making another point, which is more nuanced than one might think. For starters, Turkey had full legal right to intervene in Cyprus under the...
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    Turkic speaking countries might create free trade zone

    Kazakhs are not "turkicised mongols", nor are Uzbeks. Surely, both have Mongol ancestry due to intermarriages for centuries, but that works both ways. Turks in Turkey, the Anatolian Turks as they are known to other Turkic people, are of Oghuz Turkic stock, like Azerbaijani Turks, Ahiska...
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    Turkic speaking countries might create free trade zone

    I am yet to see a single Kirgiz with red hair. Kirgiz and Kazakhs are essentially the same people, just two different tribes (the Kazakh's are Kara Kirgiz). It's very rare to see red hair among Turkic people - it happens, but it can't be more than 5% of the population, whether Kirgiz or Kazakh...
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    Turkey’s $50-billion jet program in question

    Here's another good read for everyone to have realistic and factual understanding and opinions, not just gung-ho patriotism: "According to Undersecretary Murad BAYAR, as of June 2010 the total value of ongoing TüBiTAK-funded Defence and Aerospace R&D projects is US$ 242 million, and the total...
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    Top 3 best and worst Ottoman/Turkish generals

    That's indeed important to consider. Typically, Turkic military leaders won their battles and wars inspite of being themselves outnumbered 3:1 - this was true of Sultan Fatih Mehmet the Conqueror, for example, or Shah Ismail Safavi and his Qizilbash.
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    Creating Turkmen entity in Mesopotamia?

    1) What's the remaining Turcoman population in Iraq, and how many are in Turkey? 2) What is the current size and equipment of their self-defense forces in Kirkuk and around? 3) Why isn't Turkey educating their officers in its military colleges?
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    Turkey’s $50-billion jet program in question

    What exactly was I "wrong" about? I never said the $50 billion is for 1, 5 or 10 years - I just used the figure that was presented in this thread above, and which is from the media reports. And no, Turkey can't "find" such funds for a project like this - do you know Turkey's GDP and its massive...
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    Turkey’s $50-billion jet program in question

    Turkey is not there technologically, nor does it have $50 billion USD to pay for anything now or in 5 years for that matter. Participating in the F-35 project was a very smart idea, which raises Turkey's profile and attractiveness for the entire world, as well as increases its scientific...
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    Top 3 best and worst Ottoman/Turkish generals

    I think lists for Ottoman/Turkish vs. Turkic/Turk/Turkish should be separate, despite being essentially all one people, as it's hard to compare modern generals like Ataturk, Evren, Kivrikoglu, etc., to Alp Arslan, Bilgi Kagan, etc., and there are just too many great military hero's in the...
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    Turkic speaking countries might create free trade zone

    Ahiska is right - 50% of the problem was that Turkey was a paper tiger, didn't have enough economic and financial might to be able to project (nor military might, really). Today it is different. But then the Turkic world is different too - Kazakhstan, for example, has the highest per capita GDP...
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    Turkic speaking countries might create free trade zone

    Actually, that's not precise. The more distant dialect are Kazakh and Kyrgiz. The Uzbek can be understood around 50% - provided that the speaker speaks slowly and is from countryside (north, east and west). If the speaker is from south or from Tashkent (the capital), then indeed you won't...
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    Altay & Turkish Main Battle Tank Programs

    Actually, Altay is in Russia since 1756. The geographic term "Altay" is of Turkic origin, and the autochtonous Turkic people live in that region of Russian Federation to this day, making up majority of population. Altay was the central region of the First Turkic Khaganate, and thus has a very...
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    Azerbaijan Defence Programs & Military Development

    Azerbaijan purchases 3 anti-tank missile complexes from Ukraine [ 18 July 2013 16:31 ] Baku. Rashad Suleymanov – APA. Azerbaijan purchased 3 anti-tank guided missiles from Ukraine in 2012. APA reports that it was reflected in the report of Ukrainian State Service of Export Control...
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    Current Numbers of the NAVY and the Coast Guard

    US, UK, France and Germany do not need to protect their own homelands as much as Turkey - and their armies (land forces) are still bigger than all of their neighbors. Thus, such comparison is not proper. Also, they don't have such large airforces or Navies - for example, France is not known...
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    Current Numbers of the NAVY and the Coast Guard

    You certainly have a point, and there is no dispute that the nuclear option is only the last resort and in the most desperate circumstances, which everyone hopes won't come even if Russia and Turkey would ever fight another war. But my point was that provided that Russia has a clear...
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    Current Numbers of the NAVY and the Coast Guard

    You are right about the stupidity of having a "base" in Gyumri - it's just for show, although they do have 5,000 mostly contract soldiers and officers there. Still, if they are the first to fire from Iskander's, and have their at least 3 batallions of S-300's protect them from Turkish...
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    Current Numbers of the NAVY and the Coast Guard

    The Georgia example might not be so good - Russia has learned lessons from then, and quietly fired and replaced all generals from that operation. Their main problem back then was lack of communications gear and basic ability to communicate in the theater. They have resolved this. Also, they...
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    Current Numbers of the NAVY and the Coast Guard

    Thank you, but most of your comments are not really a response to my post, despite quoting it. My post was simple: Turkey doesn't seem to need such a large (and thus expensive) Navy, whilst it does need a very large Army and Airforce. Whoever disagreed with me, I've asked to prove their point...
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    Current Numbers of the NAVY and the Coast Guard

    The Army (Land Forces) are not that well equipped. They have a lot of outdated equipment. And the domestically produced equipment is not proven in combat, untested in real military scenario's and is mostly heavily-borrowed from or reverse-engineered of the previous-generation (or...
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    Current Numbers of the NAVY and the Coast Guard

    It's hard to agree with this. As U.S. and NATO have found out, there is a severe limit on the "non-contact" and otherwise air warfare, as well as on what UAV's can do. At the end of the day, power of any state and nation depends on its sovereignty over territory - preferably as large territory...
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