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The disagreement on Pakistan's stance has as much to do with leverage as it does with right or wrong. Negotiations take place on a playing field leveled based on the underlying leverage of each party; thanks to your real world experience, I'm sure you'd understand this better than me. The...

I find that interesting. Generally we, Pakistanis, love to blame external influences for the terrible reputation we have globally. Yet, when the bad reputation of Israel is brought up, it is seen as a deserved punishment for being a nation of evil. Maybe if Pakistanis are misunderstood, the...

Well put Mr. MastanKhan. This has always been my bone of contention. On its own, the jf-17 is a great aircraft. A great achievement from a people ravaged by war and corruption. I owe my interest in these military forums to the jf-17s. It is hard to be Pakistani and not be proud of this...

Ahh...clearly I need to read more closely. My apologies to soccerhero.

In the end, it is the creativity and resourcefulness that has to be congratulated. In the developing world, where funding is often little to nonexistent for R&D in most sectors; people who are able to use next to nothing to create anything of value deserve a great amount of appreciation. If this...

What about the fear of meaningful change? All powerful entities never give up power without a struggle, often destroying the very things they are trying to hold on to. If change comes, the Generals may put it down in the most grand and historic military tradition of all: a massacre of the very...

Your point about the military is spot on in my opinion, but I am assuming I am in the minority on this one. But in my opinion, you are confusing cause and affect as far as Islam is concerned. Pakistan was corrupt long before General Zia turned it into a pseudo Islamic state. Corruption has...

That is very relevant, but the problem arises when we look at the static state of Pakistani politics since the 1970s. The same players rule the nation, feudalism still influences the political landscape and the poor and illiterate still vote for those who make empty promises to improve their...

Anyone who says we don't need this aid is not looking at the facts. As much as we wish, we could throw foreign aid back at the US in a fit of bravado, we are in no position to do so. Pakistan is more aid reliant than most Pakistanis are willing to admit. Cutting the aid removes one of the only...

If this debate is factoring in economic considerations than there is no debate at all. Pakistan, in its current situation, cannot afford the su-35 or the eurofighter or the j-10 or even the jf-17. People greatly underestimate the gravity of our economic decay. Pakistan, today, is in no position...

Er, I was not trying to score points. Pakistan is, by most leading indicators of economic growth very well placed for an economic boom over the last 50 years. As I said, it has not happened, I was just presenting some reasons why that is the case and I wonder myself why we have continuously...

Pakistan's constant presence on such lists is the most ominous sign of all when it comes to economic prosperity. From the 1960s till today, Pakistan has been expected by economists with diverse view points, to be part of the next group of emerging nations. Looked at, from a purely statistical...

How is this not the best case scenario for Pakistan? The advantage of Indian investment is manifold, the most important being the similarity in culture. With an acute understanding of the bureaucratic, political, and social dynamics of the wider subcontinent, Indian companies are better placed...

Interesting thread, with people expressing a wide spectrum of views. If I may add a few, largely inconsequential, points to attempt to repair a bond that was destroyed a mere half century ago. All of us, whether we are Pakistani or Indian, face the same problems in life, have the same fears...

The Israelis will obviously try to avoid direct conflict, because unlike the "I'm going to destroy you because I'm stronger" rants that people from all nationalities give on this forum; real scenarios are analyzed for Geo-political ramifications and strategic goals ,before decisions are made. An...

The article comes across as decidedly biased, but in it's claim, it has a great amount of truth. The optimists who see the American withdrawal as the last obstacle to a prosperous and peaceful Pakistan fail to see the bigger picture. Who are these terrorist going to kill once the Americans are...

The Iranian air force decimated the Iraqis employing the long range phoenix missile; often times the Iraqi pilots wouldn't know they were locked on, until the missile hit. The superiority of Iranian equipment was a major reason so it has limited relation to our scenario, but the f-14 had a...

If I may disagree with you here, I think the period in question is the early part of the 2000s. Though the window was small, it provided the PAF the unprecedented opportunity to pick the platform it liked, without letting funding being the sole deterrent. Obviously, buying large number of...

Your points are totally valid, I only disagree in relation to the relative strength of both forces. PAF has increased its capabilities greatly over the last decade due to the peripheral purchases you mentioned. But the IAF has done so at an even greater rate. The economy, quite rightly is not...

Common guys, the point, both, Mr. MastanKhan and Mr. Donatello are making is a legitimate issue. No one is saying the jf-17 is a bad aircraft; no one is even making the claim that it is not a good fighter. The problem arises in our strength relative to our main adversary. Our military...