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    PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

    Actually, j16s up to this point have not been used in strike role either. As we have seen in the Ukraine conflict, stand off weapons and pgms are very important. Not having them have been quite costly for the Russians. Now that j20 has taken over the role as the primary air superiority...
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    PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

    There is a huge difference between flying J-10C against a couple of non-NATO or Turkish air forces vs what you were proposing. What level of access to you think America would demand in return for essentially giving upgraded F-16Vs to Pakistan for very little? In terms of radar signature, even...
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    PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

    Will you stop saying things like J-10C is not a frontline fighter for PLAAF? J-10C and J-16 are the same generation fighter. The only reason J-16 will get a longer production run is the same reason F-15EX is still getting produced. PLAAF needs a long range bomb truck and EW platform long...
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    PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

    Just wonderful, china gives paf advanced weaponry on the cheap, so Pakistan can sell them out. All these years that china helped Pakistan with making jf17 the aircraft that it is, what kind of access do you think china got on f16s?
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    PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

    It's really amusing to me how such a heated debate ruptured in Deino's twitter thread for just posting size comparisons. I mean they are obviously about the same size despite one having 2 engines. Total thrust is also quite comparable. As for all the arguments about number of T/R modules and...
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    Has the poor performance of Russian Aircraft in Ukraine impacted Pak-India airforce balance?

    It's definitely going to effect them in the export market. Who is going to want to buy Russian weapons when they put up this kind of display? On the Indian front, I'd say there has to be some serious questions in the upper echelons of IAF whether or not they want any Russian involvement in the...
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    PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

    No, you are simply wrong on this. The timeline does not work at all. It's core was designed based on the core of CFM56. All Chinese sources have said this. Keep in mind, the same sources have also said WS-13 was copied from RD-93. There is no reason for them to admit to one and not the...
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    PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

    There is a huge difference between security and non-security relationship. China's largest partners are America and the EU. There are a lot of desires in business community on both sides to keep the tight relationship going. But when it comes to security and geopolitics, there is a lot of...
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    PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

    You need a wakeup call. China regards you as iron brothers. America regards you as the place that harbors terrorists. I'm not trying to be mean here. Just telling you how things are as someone who has lived in America for many years. You can act like you don't need to chose, but America...
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    JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

    Yes it is ready and it's offered. Up to this point, no reason for paf to take it unless Russian option is cut off or Chinese option is vastly better. Neither has been the case, so paf has said no to china's offer. This is clearly a case where china's reluctance to induct jf17 has hurt their...
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    SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate

    nobody is selling Iran anything. China can get what it wants from Iran for a lot less than exporting FC-31.
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    PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

    You have to determine the internal layout of an aircraft very early on in the process. For J-10B/C, this would've had to been determined back in mid 2000s. So all the electronics we have on J-10C today would've been some version of things CAC determined was needed back then. There is just not...
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    Pakistan - Turkey (PAC-TAI) Collaboration for NGFA-TFX 5th Gen Aircraft l Updates, News & Discussion

    I don't think we know the exact designations yet. It's also not important to know that. We have a naval 5th gen aircraft in development and testing. There will be a land based one too. The two will be very similar (like f35a vs f35c). The export version will be f35a with possible changes...
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    PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

    On the topic of learning AESA and unlearning mechanically scanned radar, one also has to remember there is an EW suite version of this. Remember when Pakistan bought F-16 and how DFRM talked about glowingly here...
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    PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

    I was mostly referring to regular J-16s. Since the article highlighted F-15/F-35 EW suites, I'm thinking they are mostly referring to fighter jet radar technology that PLAAF currently employs. I'm sure Y-8 special missions aircraft would have radar technology at similar levels too. What they...
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    PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

    btw, for those who might be concerned that J-10C's electronics isn't good enough, you might want to read this comment from USAF about China's current radar and EW technology Dominating the Spectrum - Air Force Magazine I'd assume most of this is from Japan/Taiwan's experience against J-16s...
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    Pakistan - Turkey (PAC-TAI) Collaboration for NGFA-TFX 5th Gen Aircraft l Updates, News & Discussion

    How much resource do you think China pumped into WS-10 development? How many years do you think it took them to get to a point where they can reliably mass produce WS-10? You really want to compare China's industrial capability to Turkey? Good luck to Turkey trying to get as much funding for...
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    Pakistan - Turkey (PAC-TAI) Collaboration for NGFA-TFX 5th Gen Aircraft l Updates, News & Discussion

    do you have an idea how hard it is to "mimic" F-110 engine. India has also never had a problem with license producing fighter jet and engine. How are they doing on the self development front? I don't think people have quite an appreciation of how hard it is to mass produce something at...
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    Pakistan - Turkey (PAC-TAI) Collaboration for NGFA-TFX 5th Gen Aircraft l Updates, News & Discussion

    The hardest thing to do in a real 5th generation aircraft is stealth. It takes tremendous amount of industrial strength to first develop a 5th generation aircraft that can maneuver like one and not be overweight while also making it extremely hard to track. You need serious level of...
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    JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

    Russia is having trouble developing even 1 real 5th generation aircraft. I don't think China is worried about a second light weight one. J-35 prototype is most likely using WS-21 (upgraded WS-13). I can completely understand why PAF would not want to use it. But China has learnt its lesson...
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