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    TURNING POINT IN THE HISTORY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT

    My own perspective is that you have a right over that heritage that is a living part your own life. Thus I do accept that America has a claim over the heritage of Greece and Rome: Their language and laws, which are a part of their lives, are derived from that history. As regards the Vedic...
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    TURNING POINT IN THE HISTORY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT

    Well, Pakistan was created on the basis of motivations that had nothing to do with pre-Islamic India.
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    TURNING POINT IN THE HISTORY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT

    It depends on to what extent the IVC was Vedic. The Vedic settlements on the banks of the Saraswati were certainly contemporaries of the IVC. I am prepared to believe that as the Vedic peoples expanded westwards, there was a certain degree of cultural mingling. Thus the IVC may have had Vedic...
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    TURNING POINT IN THE HISTORY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT

    India was not our name for ourselves, but it was the name used by outsiders for the entire subcontinent (see ancient Greek maps, for example). So yes, it is a shared name, and if Pakistan were to call itself "Western India", for example, I do not think we would have a right to object.
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    Bal Thackeray tags Sushilkumar Shinde 'Nishan-e-Pakistan'

    There are many Mumtaz Quadri type people running around.
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    Bal Thackeray tags Sushilkumar Shinde 'Nishan-e-Pakistan'

    Which makes it all the more ironic that one of the places that was targeted on 26/11 was a hospital. Let us not generalize, there are good people like Marvi Sirmed and others who are doing good work.
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    'Sare Jahan Se Achcha' poet Mohammed Iqbal remains pariah in India

    Here is a letter written by Iqbal in which he seems to dissociate himself from the idea of Pakistan. This is from a set of nine letters from Iqbal to the Oxford University professor Edward Thomas. They are part of the book "The Idea of Pakistan and Iqbal - A Disclaimer". Anyway, I don't know...
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    TURNING POINT IN THE HISTORY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT

    The Vedic literature can give us evidence, without having to take the texts at face value. Subjects like the chronology of the books of the Rig Veda, and correlating it with place and river names, are quite well studied. We can also compare the Rig Veda with the Avesta, focusing in particular on...
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    TURNING POINT IN THE HISTORY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT

    The potential certainly exists but the leadership of the past 65 years has been appalling and criminal.
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    TURNING POINT IN THE HISTORY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT

    A healthy society needs to preemptively and flexibly react to emerging scenarios. The Persian incursion around 500 BC was already a symptom of deficiency.
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    TURNING POINT IN THE HISTORY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT

    Actually the situation as regards education was not so bad as it is often made out to be. There is seminal work by Dharampal, titled "The Beautiful Tree: Indigenous Indian Education in the Eighteenth Century", published I believe in the mid-1980's. Although this is about the pre-colonial period...
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    TURNING POINT IN THE HISTORY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT

    When one talks about the decline of a civilization, it is a complex thing. Why did the Romans or Egyptians decline. In India political power was generally not in the hands of Brahmins, though they probably did misuse their position of respect to inhibit social social mobility and foster...
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    TURNING POINT IN THE HISTORY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT

    The period around 500 AD was a dark age in many locations. India was in the grip of social evils which were hollowing out the strength of the civilization. The Romans were in trouble and Europe would also go through a dark age of misery and superstition. In the middle east an aggressive new...
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    TURNING POINT IN THE HISTORY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT

    Great. The "Brahminical empire" strikes back.
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    TURNING POINT IN THE HISTORY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT

    (sigh) ... try a search for academic papers talking about "proto-Indo-European" haplogroups. You may even find data about distributions in Adivasi groups, including South Indian Adivasi groups.
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    TURNING POINT IN THE HISTORY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT

    Vacuous personal remarks ignored. We're talking evolved kingdoms with centuries or perhaps millenia of history, mentioned in the Mahabharata and Ramayana, which were part of a larger civilization with a strong sense of self-identity, very distinct from marauding Mlechhas.
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    TURNING POINT IN THE HISTORY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT

    Whether you take Saraswati archeology, the Vedic literature, or genetic studies (diversity of markers) - they all point to a direction that invalidates your theory. (BTW, in genetic studies, diversity does strongly suggest the direction of population movements.)
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    TURNING POINT IN THE HISTORY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT

    Ultimately everybody is from Africa, it is said.
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    TURNING POINT IN THE HISTORY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT

    As far as I am concerned my motivation for looking at the subject is to get at the facts, on the basis of credible evidence. Yes there were two races, but as per genetic studies the ANIs and ASIs have been around for many millenia.
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    TURNING POINT IN THE HISTORY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT

    Even in that case you would not have diversity of "Aryan" markers in India being higher than in the alleged homelands. Besides the mountain of other evidence.
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