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    Saudi envoy denies Pakistani mediation in Gulf row

    Quite the contrary, at least as far as ME goes, Pakistan exercises significant clout and this snub is a result of the fact that Pakistan failed to place its weight behind the KSA as they had anticipated and desired. Instead, Pakistan hosted the Qatari delegation, met with their prince, assured...
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    As far as my recommendation goes, I think we can open the thread after clean up, but it will...

    As far as my recommendation goes, I think we can open the thread after clean up, but it will have to be constantly policed.
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    I understand that the spirit behind the thread was in good sense. The problems with Karachi are...

    I understand that the spirit behind the thread was in good sense. The problems with Karachi are very real, but unfortunately we lack the wisdom to discuss those problems before surrendering ourselves to our most primitive selves. These kind of threads always degenerate into mudslinging fests but...
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    BREAKING: Arab Nations List of Demnands Handed to Qatar by Kuwait

    There's no way Qatar is going to accept these terms. They might as well ask Qatar to lower the flag and raise the Saudi one in its stead because these demands are effectively an instrument of accession anyway.
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    How Karachi has been discriminated

    @Horus @Slav Defence @WebMaster I've done some clean up, will leave the rest of the thread to your wise discretion. On-Topic: I've always stated the same. The Federation exists to represent the people and not the other way around. If you feel that the federation no longer represents you, if...
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    Commander Kulbushan Jadhav second confessional video released by ISPR

    Of course they don't. They don't back terrorists either. They also don't use state machinery to carry out systematic human rights abuses in Kashmir. Do tell me though, if that visa was indeed forged by Pakistan, how did the Iranians issue a valid visa onto it with the same details? And further...
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    Commander Kulbushan Jadhav second confessional video released by ISPR

    Even if I agree to your concerns, it was still a fake passport with a valid visa. He surely wasn't there to distribute sweets to orphans.
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    Commander Kulbushan Jadhav second confessional video released by ISPR

    In Iran he was travelling to the settled areas and was travelling independently, in Pakistan he was travelling to unsettled areas and was escorted by Baloch insurgents. Basically, to make it easier for you to comprehend. That's like you complaining about the fact that you have to carry ID all...
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    PAF JF-17 Shoots Down UAV from Iran

    Please don't play the lack of precision positioning system card, your country just launched precision missile strikes in Syria the same week. Even with physical instruments, missing your mark by 45km is impossible. The reason that Russia/USA don't shoot down each other's drones or aircraft is...
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    Clerics thrash news crew for drinking water in Ramadhan

    The mosque is also built on illegally occupied land. Yes from dusk till dawn, drinking water is also forbidden. And yes, temperatures often hit 50 degrees Celsius in parts of the country and are almost always over 40 degrees Celsius.
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    PAF JF-17 Shoots Down UAV from Iran

    Seeing as KB was nabbed sometime in mid-March, we could never really have had the heads up of informing Rouhani, seeing as he was in Iran and not Pakistan at the time.
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    PAF JF-17 Shoots Down UAV from Iran

    Link Please?
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    PAF JF-17 Shoots Down UAV from Iran

    Parachinar is a very complex case study. The situation there is a product of Saudi/Iranian proxy war compounded by several generation's old tribal rivalries. Others are bound to take advantage when we show them weakness.
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    PAF JF-17 Shoots Down UAV from Iran

    But if the US has been able to breach Pakistani airspace, does that mean that we should just give a free pass to whoever wants a swing? Well since Pakistan was interrogating him, they certainly could not release classified information just so that it can be placed on the President's agenda...
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    PAF JF-17 Shoots Down UAV from Iran

    Okay, let's say Uzair's Iranian passport is fake. Baba Ladla's Iranian passport is fake. Was Kalbhushan Jhadev flying from Mumbai to the Iran-Pakistan border and then entering, if he was not living in Iran? I am not saying that Iran is complicit in hosting Jhadev, its very likely that he...
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    PAF JF-17 Shoots Down UAV from Iran

    And despite these concerns Pakistan has continued to engage with Iran. They have continued to snub key partners in policies that were targeted against Iran, policies that, mind you, carried a significant financial reward for Pakistan. Throughout, Pakistan has tried to pacify Iran's concerns and...
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    PAF JF-17 Shoots Down UAV from Iran

    Pakistan has already been giving a lot of ground to Iran for that very reason. Despite several valid concerns such as Iranian passports servicing members of the Lyari gangs, Kalbhushan Jhadev operating from Iran, Casualties due to Iranian mortars and irresponsible statements by key officials...
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    PAF JF-17 Shoots Down UAV from Iran

    @jacklord @DESERT FIGHTER Drop the side discussion. Stay on topic.
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    PAF JF-17 Shoots Down UAV from Iran

    Yemen? The only reason their outreach is limited is because of their lack of ability to project military strength. That's where the IMA comes in.
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    PAF JF-17 Shoots Down UAV from Iran

    That is the overwhelming consensus in how Pakistan sees both Iran and KSA. The opposite sides of the same coin. Two very myopic, sectarian, toxic theocracies that are unfortunately, both quite essential to Pakistan's security calculus.
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