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Sorry friend, just busy with work. Haven't had a chance to look at things too closely. Also, all we have seen is models, so I don't even know if a prototype has been built or not. And if you say "but they are offering for export", I know many things that haven't completed development being...

Yes, if they have the vision to let this program run, despite the inevitable hiccups. No, otherwise.

As you said, something with those specs appears to be called Faaz-2. This is why I said Faaz cannot be expected to reach those specs because why else have Faaz-2 then? Furthermore, I view Faaz as a learning opportunity so let's not expect it to be magic right out of the box. When you actually...

As far as I know, this is more a reverse-engineering attempt and less a ToT. So It's anybody's guess what's inside the actual missile (seeker, motor, whatever). I see it as a good learning opportunity for our people if the program is allowed to continue and not canned because the first version...

1. AWC 2. Yes 3. Stupid marketing 4. let's see if it works reliably 5. No. 6. No. We have sufficient stockpiles of SD-10A, which are arguably more reliable than an in-development product (and yes it's not ready, I don't know why they are displaying it like its ready. We do like to jump the gun...

Don't be mistaken to think that the Turks will fix Pakistan. Their interest is only their national interest. Same as any other country. Only Pakistanis can fix Pakistan. We need to stop looking for abbus everywhere.

I know it sounds like a lazy argument but the more I've thought about it, the more it has made sense. ALL of this is explained by two words: colonial hangover. Our ruling elite slid into the shoes left by the British. Everything makes sense once you think along those lines. The Turks understand...

You have no idea how spot on you are. This is agenda number one on most interactions. It's amazing how bhooka our PAF people are even after living the best lives in Pakistan. On topic: This is garbage news. As hurtful as it is to this forum's members, Pakistan has little to no capacity/ability...

The thing is that Turkey operates in a very different ITAR environment than Pakistan. This means a lot of their inputs are ITAR, however innocuous. But to be able to continue to buy them for themselves, they can't get sanctioned in order to do a few Ozgurs for Pakistan. The same issue would...

The Ozgur may be a Turkish program but Turkey is still a NATO member and enjoys the ability to import and use a lot of things that the US will simply block for Pakistan. With that being said I'm sure we are pushing them for an ITAR free Ozgur.

I think it's just that we're seeing an actual missile in anything but a video shot by a potato. But I'm sure they've improved build quality over so many years. The seeker is the most interesting bit. And something that we'll know the least about, unfortunately.

This is probably the most detailed picture of any type of Ra'ad that we've ever seen. This does NOT appear to be the mockups seen on 23rd March parades. @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

Fair enough. Well that's all we have. We don't have access to the design data so this picture is all we have to go on. If the assumption is that we view view everything as "scary looking whatever rendition" then we have nothing to go on and nothing to discuss. IF that is the missile, what...

Lol. They have these poorly made models are all over NASTP. Every corner has a different vision for Azm. Mukhtar baady maker had a field day making these models.

Some thoughts on the Faaz-2 picture: 1. The most obvious thing that I notice is the ratio of the length to the diameter. This is called the fineness ratio. For Faaz-2 this is roughly 10 - that is the length is 10 times the diameter. For comparison the AIM-120 has a fineness ratio of roughly 20...

This isn't under project Azm. It's an SPD org product (obviously), that has been in development hell for many years. Honestly, I have no idea if this is just a CAD model or an actual product. Range: As you know, range for a BVR missile is an extremely imprecise number. It could be the range of...

Is it possible that you are mistaken? Fact: The radome IS different - but its the material that's different to account for the presence of the AESA radar. It literally has to be. Maybe you heard the radome is different and took it to mean that it has the slant. Furthermore, we've seen all...

Also, room for future expansion. The plans are constantly being evolved to include more and more things on future blocks. Even if half of those things become true, block 30 is going to be a very juicy plane.

Believe it or not, this is a to-scale comparison. The all moving elevator is almost as big as the wing of the F-16 - which is something that is joked about a lot.

Unfortunately, aerospace was initially dominated by the USA so it is very common to use those units in aerospace. It's annoying but every aerospace engineer learns to live with it.