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  1. iLION12345_1

    Views of ex-COAS on army’s ‘combat worthiness’ quoted ‘out of context’: ISPR

    Note the word: optimized. They can run with other lubricant oils, but the one from Ukraine is the best for them. Increases reliability and service life, considerably in some cases. Ukraine has had trouble delivering said oil, among many other things, far before this war started, something PA...
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    Views of ex-COAS on army’s ‘combat worthiness’ quoted ‘out of context’: ISPR

    All PA MBTs sans Type 59 and 69 use Multi-fuel engines. The remaining two use Diesel only.
  3. iLION12345_1

    Pakistan Army has 570 VT 4 on order and with TOT

    no offense, but until you get the basics down, there is no point in me replying to all that’s wrong with this. Sorry. Half the time your contradicting yourself, half the time you’re going back on what you said before. And half of it is just factually wrong.
  4. iLION12345_1

    Pakistan Army has 570 VT 4 on order and with TOT

    All of the things I’ve said have several references already posted by me and other members in the AK information pool threads. But if you’re not convinced, tell me what exactly you need a source for? The Autolaoder in both the VT4 and AK is of the exact same carousel design as in T90 and T72...
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    Pakistan Army has 570 VT 4 on order and with TOT

    “you could say the Same”, no you couldn’t. Whatever I said is backed up by what we know, what you said has no source or proof. I won’t hear arguments that can’t be backed up. Al Zarrar has no spaced armor, that’s not how spaced armor works, that’s another myth. It did not survive multiple RPG...
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    Al-Zarrar MBT | News,Updates & Discussions.

    Similar composite composition to AK series, of course the layout is different because it’s thinner and differently shaped, but the composition is likely of the same steel-based composite AK series uses, because that’s what HIT is familiar with. You can find photos of AZ Hull upgrades for both...
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    Pakistan Army has 570 VT 4 on order and with TOT

    There are plenty of disadvantages with Chinese tanks, not just “side armor”, I already mentioned a few (design). I can think of plenty others. And the side armor figures are wrong anyways.… You say Chinese made improvements after tests, what such tests or improvements can you quote or provide a...
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    Pakistan Army has 570 VT 4 on order and with TOT

    Please stop using Syria, Ukraine and Armenia as examples for the Indo-Pak theatre, they could not be more different. Where were the SHORADs in all three of those theaters? Was there any proper Air-war at all except for individual sorties? Were tanks deployed with proper doctrine and infantry...
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    Pakistan Army has 570 VT 4 on order and with TOT

    Vice versa too. That’s why I always say that infantry with a modern ATGM is the biggest threat to tanks. Forget ATGMs, even the RPG7 can achieve upwards of 500MM of penetration with a Tandem warhead, that’s enough to go through the sides and rear of any tank in the subcontinent and the front of...
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    Pakistan Army has 570 VT 4 on order and with TOT

    Yes, significantly better protected. I don’t know why people think T72 and T90S are the same thing. T72B and early T90 were similar yet, it is an upgrade of the former after all, but T90A and S are entirely different moving forward. Anyone who thinks so otherwise is just bashing Russian armor...
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    Pakistan Army has 570 VT 4 on order and with TOT

    Current Gen Chinese APFSDS (BTA-4 and DTC-10-125) are in fact tested against modern ERA and have proved effective. Sejjel is definitely not BTA-4, but it does look to be very similar to DTC-10-125, it could be a localized version of that with some changes, but as long as the penetrator is...
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    Pakistan Army has 570 VT 4 on order and with TOT

    PA: BM-42 (small number from Ukraine) and APFSDS/T (Local production of Chinese 125-1 APFSDS) in late 90s, Both rated at 460MM/0 degrees at 2000M. Naiza DU (APFSDS/T with indigenous DU penetrator) in early 2000s, 550-570MM/0 degrees at 2000M. Both were standard PA APFSDS until late 2010s...
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    Pakistan Army has 570 VT 4 on order and with TOT

    It would have seemed so yes, but as PK said, that was only because Surveillance UAVs are easier to make and acquire. With Shahpar 2, TB2, WL2 and especially Akinci, such is no longer the case. For now yes. Until local production is established. T90S is significantly better protected than...
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    Second Batch of SH-15 Ready To Be Delivered To Pakistan Army.

    VT4 and AK-1 have digital camo patterns but sparsely.
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    Pakistan Army has 570 VT 4 on order and with TOT

    Bad examples. Armenia lacked any SHORADs to begin with (not the case in Indo-Pak) and Russia displayed extremely poor tank doctrine by sending its SHORADs and tanks into battles separately. Drones are extremely vulnerable to any kind of MANPAD, SHORAD or fighter jet and can only be used in an...
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    Pakistan Army has 570 VT 4 on order and with TOT

    Anyone who thinks drones have made tanks outdated does not understand the first thing about combined arms warfare. And anyone who tries to apply Ukrainian and Armenian examples to the india-Pakistan theatre doesn’t know the first thing about India-Pakistan battle orders. It’s useless to argue...
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    Second Batch of SH-15 Ready To Be Delivered To Pakistan Army.

    Apparently The first batch was delivered directly from PLA stocks to speed up delivery, hence why it’s using a different camo. While these are new built.
  18. iLION12345_1

    Pakistan Army has 570 VT 4 on order and with TOT

    “Equivalent to RHA” is outdated, since RHA is not the standard for tank armor anymore. Even if we know that said material has armor equivalent to “700MM of RHA”. It doesn’t really tell us how the armor will fare against modern ammo, who’s penetration figures might have been tested on different...
  19. iLION12345_1

    Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

    Not at the moment. I’ll remember to take one next time I see a soldier with a G3. As for the AKs, you can find plenty online, it’s the same setup we’ve been seeing for years, just now also being applied to Type 56-1s instead of just Type 56-IIs (the visible difference here being that the 1s...
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    Pakistan Army has 570 VT 4 on order and with TOT

    I am not arguing with anyone brother, was just giving some interesting numbers. T84 and T80UD can reverse at 32 KM/h, which is governed by its transmission, Al Khalid can reach the same speed in reverse as it shares a transmission with the T80 series. This has actually been displayed in testing...
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