Should Russia buy J-10B from China to copy DSI technology

I think should. DSI is really cool.

Russian aircraft tech is superior to that of China, so long as they can, they will produce their own systems.

Now is that a joke they have the MiG-35 why should go for J-10b yes it's a good fighter but I don't think it's any better than the MiG-35.

It's Russia's money, so they can do what they want. If it were my money, I would not. DSI dates to the 90s, with F-16 research. It produced a marginal benefit. Not enough to retrofit the fleet. Enough that it was incorporated into the F-35 (but not the F-22?? not sure).

If Russia couldn't steal or self-develop the technology in that time, they are too unmotivated to buy it, so I expect they will not.

Edit: An aircraft is more than a single piece of tech. VTOL was all the thing for a while. Maybe it will come back, but right now it has very special use-cases (small carriers). Everyone else has moved on. DSI is ok, but it isn't really a game changer. No one is going to buy a plane for a single piece of tech that has to be designed into the aircraft anyhow. The principles are well known. The application and its efficiency will depend on the particular implementation. So, I don't see it as much of an advantage to anyone to buy a DSI-equipped plane for the purpose of understanding DSI. Better off spending the money on wind-tunnel experiments with your own designs.

nvKyleBrown said:

It's Russia's money, so they can do what they want. If it were my money, I would not. DSI dates to the 90s, with F-16 research. It produced a marginal benefit. Not enough to retrofit the fleet. Enough that it was incorporated into the F-35 (but not the F-22?? not sure).

If Russia couldn't steal or self-develop the technology in that time, they are too unmotivated to buy it, so I expect they will not.

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When F-22 was developed in the 1990s, there was no DSI technology.

Both countries are ready for joint project especially in aviation.
That will make a further progress in plane industry.

Well done PAF. Your Thunder has DSI.

Thank you...At least i laugh after mentally busy day in office................... and About DSI..... please not again

Superboy said:

When F-22 was developed in the 1990s, there was no DSI technology.

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Really?

• Research into the DSI was done by LMCO in the early 1990s. The first DSI was flown on 11 December 1996, installed on F-16 block 30
• In 1981 the U.S. Air Force developed a requirement for an Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF).
• A request for proposals (RFP) was issued in July 1986 and two contractor teams, Lockheed/Boeing/General Dynamics and Northrop/McDonnell Douglas, were selected on 31 October 1986 to undertake a 50-month demonstration phase, culminating in the flight test of two technology demonstrator prototypes, YF-22 and YF-23.
• After a 90-day flight test validation of the prototypes, on 23 April 1991, SecUSAF Donald Rice announced the YF-22 as the winner of the ATF competition.
• The USAF had originally envisioned ordering 750 ATFs at a cost of $26.2 billion, with production beginning in 1994. The 1990 Major Aircraft Review led by SecDef Dick Cheney reduced the number to 648 aircraft beginning in 1996.
• The first F-22, an engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) aircraft named Raptor 4001, was unveiled at Marietta, Georgia on 9 April 1997, and first flew on 7 September 1997.

You think with 6 years between prototype YF-22 and first production F-22, it would be possible to apply some of the lessons learned from research?

All it takes is to run dozen of simulations in fluid dynamics to accumulate proper data on DSI to implement it on any platform.

nvKyleBrown said:

VTOL was all the thing for a while.

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SVTOL is still a thing. It ruined the F 35 program all thanks to your USMC.

SipahSalar said:

SVTOL is still a thing. It ruined the F 35 program all thanks to your USMC.

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Indeed! But it isn't fully VTOL, and no one but the Marines want it - special case! I think they should put some money into A-10s instead, but... oh well.

Penguin said:

Really?

• Research into the DSI was done by LMCO in the early 1990s. The first DSI was flown on 11 December 1996, installed on F-16 block 30
• In 1981 the U.S. Air Force developed a requirement for an Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF).
• A request for proposals (RFP) was issued in July 1986 and two contractor teams, Lockheed/Boeing/General Dynamics and Northrop/McDonnell Douglas, were selected on 31 October 1986 to undertake a 50-month demonstration phase, culminating in the flight test of two technology demonstrator prototypes, YF-22 and YF-23.
• After a 90-day flight test validation of the prototypes, on 23 April 1991, SecUSAF Donald Rice announced the YF-22 as the winner of the ATF competition.
• The USAF had originally envisioned ordering 750 ATFs at a cost of $26.2 billion, with production beginning in 1994. The 1990 Major Aircraft Review led by SecDef Dick Cheney reduced the number to 648 aircraft beginning in 1996.
• The first F-22, an engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) aircraft named Raptor 4001, was unveiled at Marietta, Georgia on 9 April 1997, and first flew on 7 September 1997.

You think with 6 years between prototype YF-22 and first production F-22, it would be possible to apply some of the lessons learned from research?

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I think F-22B was supposed to have DSI had Obama not killed off F-22 program at F-22A.

Superboy said:

I think F-22B was supposed to have DSI had Obama not killed off F-22 program at F-22A.

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Well they should have copied it from indians.Here we fly kites with DSI technology.

nvKyleBrown said:

Indeed! But it isn't fully VTOL, and no one but the Marines want it - special case! I think they should put some money into A-10s instead, but... oh well.

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You might find this an interesting read:
7 Things The Marines Have To Do To Make The F-35B Worth The Huge Cost