Turkish Defence Projects from the past

[-SINAN-]

There are works but at this rate we will see a Turkish engine in 2030.

Yeah.. performance of the SSM sucks these days... Tenders taking years to conclude. Projects taking years to finish.....
National PowerPack Development Project has been iniated by SSM in year 2011. Now we are entering 2015, they still couldn't finalize the tender. 4 Years for a tender....it's insane.

And @xxxKULxxx talking about producing a TurboFan engine.

 

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And @xxxKULxxx talking about producing a TurboFan engine.

 

[T-123456]

Yeah.. performance of the SSM sucks these days... Tenders taking years to conclude. Projects taking years to finish.....
National PowerPack Development Project has been iniated by SSM in year 2011. Now we are entering 2015, they still couldn't finalize the tender. 4 Years for a tender....it's insane.

And @xxxKULxxx talking about producing a TurboFan engine.

I like @xxxKULxxx s way of looking at things,he is always hopeful and positive.

 

[-SINAN-]

I like @xxxKULxxx s way of looking at things,he is always hopeful and positive.

I prefer being realistic.

 

[xxxKULxxx]

I like @xxxKULxxx s way of looking at things,he is always hopeful and positive.

I prefer being realistic.

Guys this is hard science indeed.... This is not gambling... Even gambling has a hope but this is hard science... This is more then hope... If you have a will, money, scientists/engineers and time you can achieve engines no matter what, inevitably... Step by step, sooner or later...

We achieved so many platforms, systems & subsystems... And all of these have same logic with producing engine... Ok, it is harder but it is not like a 1 year old baby trying to lift up 1.000 tons by using her/his one hand only... To overcome hardness we need some time(& patience) & money only... Then success is inevitable...

And this is realistic, isn't it ?.. And Sinan, mate your thoughts are pessimistic...

 

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Guys this is hard science indeed.... This is not gambling... Even gambling has a hope but this is hard science... This is more then hope... If you have a will, money, scientists/engineers and time you can achieve engines no matter what, inevitably... Step by step, sooner or later...

We achieved so many platforms, systems & subsystems... And all of these have same logic with producing engine... Ok, it is harder but it is not like a 1 year old baby trying to lift up 1.000 tons by using her/his one hand only... To overcome hardness we need some time(& patience) & money only... Then success is inevitable...

And this is realistic, isn't it ?.. And Sinan, mate your thoughts are pessimistic...

Mate just look at the superpowers with decades of experince in manufacturing jet engines having struggles with latest technologies and spending billions, Turkey simply doesnt have such ressources, be it money, workforce or the know-how, even the economically strong European powers could only build a fighter by cooperating with eachother.

 

[xxxKULxxx]

Mate just look at the superpowers with decades of experince in manufacturing jet engines having struggles with latest technologies and spending billions, Turkey simply doesnt have such ressources, be it money, workforce or the know-how, even the economically strong European powers could only build a fighter by cooperating with eachother.

Yes but those guys are 'inventing' technologies and because of that it takes much more money & time...

 

[-SINAN-]

And this is realistic, isn't it ?.. And Sinan, mate your thoughts are pessimistic...

Brother did you have a look at my post here ?

Turkish engine thread | Page 8

 

[Hakan]

M8 Buford Armored Gun System (AGS) Light Tank:

Late in 1997, FNSS Defense Systems of Turkey and United Defense LP, teamed to offer the M8 AGS to the Turkish Land Forces Command (TLFC).

In September 1997, the second of the six prototype M8 AGS built with the highest protection Level III was demonstrated in Turkey during which it undertook firepower and mobility demonstrations for the TLFC.

According to United Defense LP, the M8 AGS is well suited to peacekeeping operations, such as Bosnia, where the TLFC has been deployed, as well as being used in traditional roles of reconnaissance.

As well as being less expensive to procure than an MBT, the M8 AGS has a much lower life cycle cost. According to United Defense, the fuel cost of the M8 AGS is US$0.60 per km compared to US$5.35 per km of a MBT with spare parts per km being US$35 and US$137 respectively.

The M8 is armed with a 105 mm M35 rifled gun, fed by an automatic loader, which fires the same natures of ammunition as all of the MBTs (Leopard 1, M48 and M60 series) currently in service with the TLFC.

If selected by Turkey, the M8 would be manufactured under licence by FNSS Defense Systems which is a joint venture company established to build 1,698 Armoured Infantry Fighting Vehicles.

The existing Turkish AIFV machinery, tooling and fixtures could be reconfigured for the M8 AGS with a minimum of investment according to United Defense.

Army Guide - LP M8 AGS, Light tank

We will have to,by the time we decide on a system(T-Lorimads),it will be obsolete.
The TFX project,what good is it when we dont have a decent engine with enough power and when the fighter is not even comparable with other 5th gen fighters?
Just take a look at the available engines(if they would sell us).
By the time we start production,the rest will have 6th gen.

Gotta start somewhere. There are basically 3 options. Buy, join someone elses program, or make your own. If south korea gave turkey equal partnership in k-fx program things would go smoothly. They are expecting kfx to be ready in 2025. Idk how tfx will be ready in 2023.

The good thing is that a significant # of f-35s will come into service and none of the neighbors will have anything like that by the time tfx is ready assuming it ever does become ready.

Good thing none of the neighbors are a serious threat.We can take our time with tfx.

 

[flamer84]

RN 94 APC

The RN-94 6x6 armoured personnel carrier (APC) was developed in the mid-1990s as a private venture between the Turkish Nurol Machinery and Industry Company and Romarm of Romania.

The first prototype was completed in 1995 and the Turkish Land Forces Command subsequently purchased a batch of five pre-production vehicles for extensive trials. So far no firm orders have been placed for the RN-94.

To reduce overall life-cycle costs, standard and proven subsystems have been used in the design of the RN-94, including the diesel engine and automatic transmission.

The baseline RN-94 is fully amphibious: two water jets that are located one either side of the hull at the back propel the vehicle through water at a speed of 8km/h.

Fortriailing, the RN-94 has been fitted with a number of weapon stations, including the French Giat Industries Dragar turret, which has already been manufactured under licence in Turkey for the FNSS Turkish infantry fighting vehicle. This is fitted with a stabilised Giat Industries 25mm M811 dual-feed cannon and a 7.62mm coaxial machine gun.

Other weapon fits are marketed, including a one-person turret armed with a 12.7mm and 7.62mm machine gun as well as various remote-controlled weapons armed with similar systems.

Standard equipment includes powered steering on the front four wheels, central tyre-pressure regulation system, night-vision devices, firing ports and associated vision devices.

Some prototypes of a number of RN-94 specialised variants have also been built. These include a 120mm self-propelled mortar carrier and a battlefield surveillance vehicle. The latter contains a scissors-type mast with a battlefield surveillance radar mounted on top for increased coverage.

Army Guide - RN-94, Wheeled armoured personnel carrier

 

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RN 94 APC



Army Guide - RN-94, Wheeled armoured personnel carrier

Interesting, thx for sharing.

 

[Hakan]

Interesting, thx for sharing.

6x6 Wheeled armored vehicle was being looked in the 90's and still there aren't any in the inventory as of 2014. Technology has been around for years though.

I saw this online and I though it was interested:

a 10-ton M113 Gavin hull of thick aluminum is far more protective than a road-bound Stryker truck with a thin steel box at twice the weight; this means superior armor layering can be added that coupled with v-hull shaping makes the Gavin not only more air-transportable for 3D maneuvers by C-130; it is superior in armor protection than a flat-bottom Bradley that is supersized carrying a turret armoring dead air. 27-ton FCS has turret inefficiency and cannot fly by C-130s nor drive through closed, vegetated terrain and cannot swim like Gavins can to strike at where enemies hide. High technology Gavins with land-mine resistant armoring, band-tracks, hybrid-electric drive are stealthy for 60-mph speeds. M113 Gavins can be reduced in size to roll-on/off from inside Army operated CH-47s and C-27Js to air-mech now by either airdrop or airland and should be Engineer Cavalry Troops able to breach mines with probing and towed-rocket line charges. Modularity LBCTs don't need or get 27-ton FCS or 20-ton Stryker trucks; they air-maneuver into closed terrains; it's high time they be equipped with M113 Gavin light tracks needed to fight better than M16 versus AK47 and RPG at a foot-slog.

U.S. Army employs light tanks but doesn't admit it

 

[Stimpy75]

plz don't share this link!!!
it's known through out the whole internet that the author is a lunatic
the M113 was never called Gavin!!only the author calls it Gavin!!!

 

[deadmau5e]

Turkey first decided to buy the Chinese Missile system but then it was rethinking. I'm not sure about the recent update on this matter.

 

[-SINAN-]

Turkey first decided to buy the Chinese Missile system but then it was rethinking. I'm not sure about the recent update on this matter.

We will find out in the next two weeks.