Khilafah in simple words

[R2D2]

Ottoman Empire
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@Contrarian l I've been reading Hindu texts for quite a while, just like i read the Torah, the Bible even the Book of Morman.

Biggest give away of these Islamofascist, pseudo Islamic thugs is that they will ALWAYS refer to the Books of Ahadi'th, which were compiled much after the Prophet PUBH has passed.

Quran was revealed completely in 23 years and is the only authentic source of law. If Sharia is sourced from the Quran instead of the Ahadith, it would look much like modern democracy. Islamofascists take Ahadith as the main source of Sharia as it allows them the grey areas to establish the tyranny they so desire.

7 days before His passing the Prophet PBUH, stated 'Today your system/way of life has been completed and so has Allah's blessings been bestowed completely'.

No book of Hadith existed at that time. Islamofascists can go and smoke bong as their apartheid can simply be rejected for the source of their lawd wasn't ratified by the Prophet PBUH, which makes it non binding!

The first constitution of the Islamic state was written based on the Quran not the Ahadith.

@Hyperion @Armstrong

The texts you are referring to were taught to Qadiani preachers in India so that they could convert the muslims to Qadiyaniyat and sow doubts in the minds of people.

Hadith is an authentic source of Islamic law and the Sahabah erected the structure of Khailafah through Ijmah. The first attack on Islam is attack on personality of Prophet PBUH and Hadith. It is a well known fact. At the second stage they attack the Quran. The body of Hadith is well preserved and authentic. Khilafah is ijmah of Sahabah R.A and Ulema as well as Muslims for 1300 years.

Are you prepared to enforce the first constitution of the Islamic State Medina?

 

[R2D2]

Ottoman Airforce in WWI - Are these cavemen?

 

[Alienoz_TR]

@r2t2

Many Pakistanis fail to analyze the Ottoman Caliphate properly. Copy-paste images, conquests (or futuhat as we call it) may look attractive, but in reality it ended in disaster.

1) Cultural and ethnic and religious heterogenity was main cause of inter-ethnic clashes which are still continuing. Ottoman Empire favored non-Turks in order to balance political parties, which alienated Turks. Turks caused rebellions throughout the history.

2) Many dont see the role of Crimean Khanate. Without the umbrella of Crimean Khanate, Ottomans would have collapsed 2-3 centuries before. Many look at Ottoman miracle, but in reality from late 16th century, Crimean Khanate was main figure of Ottoman campaigns.

3) conservative thought caused ulama and sheikhs to take over the control of the society. Science was almost pushed to marginals from 16th century.

4) Sunni-Shia rivalry (which is Ottoman-Iran wars) exhausted Ottoman sources, causing multiple battle fronts, which then caused retreats from all fronts.

5) Without proper education system, at the end of caliphate, rural communities were almost at middle ages ruled by aghas and sheikhs. Education level was lower than 10%.

 

[R2D2]

@r2t2

Many Pakistanis fail to analyze the Ottoman Caliphate properly. Copy-paste images, conquests (or futuhat as we call it) may look attractive, but in reality it ended in disaster.

1) Cultural and ethnic and religious heterogenity was main cause of inter-ethnic clashes which are still continuing. Ottoman Empire favored non-Turks in order to balance political parties, which alienated Turks. Turks caused rebellions throughout the history.

2) Many dont see the role of Crimean Khanate. Without the umbrella of Crimean Khanate, Ottomans would have collapsed 2-3 centuries before. Many look at Ottoman miracle, but in reality from late 16th century, Crimean Khanate was main figure of Ottoman campaigns.

3) conservative thought caused ulama and sheikhs to take over the control of the society. Science was almost pushed to marginals from 16th century.

4) Sunni-Shia rivalry (which is Ottoman-Iran wars) exhausted Ottoman sources, causing multiple battle fronts, which then caused retreats from all fronts.

5) Without proper education system, at the end of caliphate, rural communities were almost at middle ages ruled by aghas and sheikhs. Education level was lower than 10%.

Well! We should not make the old mistakes now. The whole Muslim world is a disaster now with our father figure gone. I agree with your post. We have a lot to learn.

 

[Kompromat]

Ottoman Empire
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The texts you are referring to were taught to Qadiani preachers in India so that they could convert the muslims to Qadiyaniyat and sow doubts in the minds of people.

Hadith is an authentic source of Islamic law and the Sahabah erected the structure of Khailafah through Ijmah. The first attack on Islam is attack on personality of Prophet PBUH and Hadith. It is a well known fact. At the second stage they attack the Quran. The body of Hadith is well preserved and authentic. Khilafah is ijmah of Sahabah R.A and Ulema as well as Muslims for 1300 years.

Are you prepared to enforce the first constitution of the Islamic State Medina?

I don't give rats paws about mirza maloon, he shouldn't be brought into any Islamic debate as he was an imposter of the highest order.

You have failed to answer ANY of my questions. Moreover the Sahaba were human beings and were prone to mistakes and human weaknesses.

No book of Hadith is ratified by the prophet himself, not even one. I'm not saying that they are not authentic, i'm just saying that they are not ratified!

Huzoor, FYI, Ottoman Empire was NOT a Khilafa but 'Malookiat'. Out romanticised ottoman caliphs (not all) indulged vigorously in Zina through herems and traded slaves.

There is NO Islamic law that calls for the transfer of power to the bloodline. Islam calls for 'competent rulers' not rulers from one freaking family!

Lastly, the Quranic Sharia will not allow the likes of you to establish the pagan class system you so desire. In order to establish your little wahabi apartheid, you'd have to stick to the stock of Hadith and its twisted, politically motivated tafaseer done by sell out takfeeri mllahs!

 

[R2D2]

I don't give rats paws about mirza maloon, he shouldn't be brought into any Islamic debate as he was an imposter of the highest order.

You have failed to answer ANY of my questions. Moreover the Sahaba were human beings and were prone to mistakes and human weaknesses.

No book of Hadith is ratified by the prophet himself, not even one. I'm not saying that they are not authentic, i'm just saying that they are not ratified!

Huzoor, FYI, Ottoman Empire was NOT a Khilafa but 'Malookiat'. Out romanticised ottoman caliphs (not all) indulged vigorously in Zina through herems and traded slaves.

There is NO Islamic law that calls for the transfer of power to the bloodline. Islam calls for 'competent rulers' not rulers from one freaking family!

Lastly, the Quranic Sharia will not allow the likes of you to establish the pagan class system you so desire. In order to establish your little wahabi apartheid, you'd have to stick to the stock of Hadith and its twisted, politically motivated tafaseer done by sell out takfeeri mllahs!

1- I am not Wahabi. neither it is a pagan class. It is the most advanced system of governance the world has ever and will ever know. (For ref. read the first post of this thread)

2- Only the system of succession became malookiat. The legal justice system remained Islamic. You are not a bigger scholar that Maulan Muhammad Ali Jauher and Maulana Mahmood ul Hassan of Deoband.

3- It is allowed under Islamic law to have sex with female slaves. So they did not commit adultery legally.

4- All 4 schools of thought accept Hadith as a sources of Islamic Law. This work against Hadith has been done by jewish scholars and other such elements. As I said earlier it is part of attack on Islam. Please get over this propaganda. this is not the place for debate on hadith.

5- Khilafah was established by Ijmah of Sahabah and Ulema and they accept it to this day. Tell me do you also don't accept Ijmah as well as hadith.

6- I asked you are you prepared to accept Mithaq i Medina as a constitution?

 

[The SC]

after the first four Caliphs or Khaliphas... Muslims descended into a civil war .. the name was adapted for convenience otherwise they were no different to a Sultan, Maharaja, warchief, or Caesar

regarding the murder of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH, the Sunni population as a whole in pakistan has been targeted by the wahabis into distancing it from the Ahl Bait. and the event of Karbala is played down or even mocked by few who consider themselves to be enlightened and moderate sunnis. the founder of the leading Sectarian outfit held an open gathering and gave a speech where he openly praised Yazid and justified the murder of Imam Hussain and his family and termed them traitors of Islam... thats back in the 80s when halal dollars had started to have extra effect which was hidden in the small writing of the Afghan Jihad.

before this open hatred and shia targeting, sunni participation in the Moharam days of mourning was a norm and no big deal Sunnis attended gatherings (majalis) and offered food and drinks to the mourners although didnt engage in chest beating but avoided laughter and music out of respect.because as we knew it... Hussain and Ali were for all Muslims... not just shias...

but slowly we sunnis have been moved away from shias through a slow poisoning of wahabism.
I have mixed family members from both sects so I have seen it all how it went over time. the killing started in the name of protecting the honor of Sahaba r.a but it was later clear that in the eyes of takfiris the definition narrowed down to only those individuals who brought civil war upon Muslims and were directly involved in the killing of Muhammad PBUH's family. now organisations like ISIS and Al Qaeda deem it important to desecrate and destroy the tombs of the Muhmammad PBUH's family in the name of restoring honor.



re the quote you highlighted... well you cant engage in a logical debate with someone who bases his argument on theological and sectarian prejudice.

this 3rd point is universally agreed upon all takfiris who justify the killing of shia sect. currently they are busy killing everyone who is not Muslim enough for them so rest of the Sunnis are collateral for them and shia are deliberate targets. so expecting them to accommodate a shia caliph is impossible.

finally I dare to comment that petro dollar funding of global Jihad has pretty much finished the Islam.. what we have is a bunch of few sects some are very strong and some are weak and the strong ones are cannibalizing the weaker sects.

now something controversial
those that are converting to "Islam " in the west are mostly for wrong reasons.. they re attracted to its violence appeal. take nation of Islam and some Black gangs of the America who have converted who think its cool.

now the obvious question
which sect is "right"? well it depends who you ask..


oh come on thats not fair
let me catch you this way, can we play process of elimination? how about we decide that who is the wrse sect? so its the whabis right? because everyone is saying that and majority of "Muslims" and "everyone" in the world says it wahabis?

well.. erm NO

What? why?

well, just because "everyone" says wahabis are douche bags doesnt make them douche bags... such opinions are not decided by voting.. majority of people also said the earth was flat.. its the actions of people that count. the cult with different names that shares the same takfiri ideology across the globe and has been killing in the name of Islam is the worse one. (takfiri is a term used for those who claim to be Muslims and declare everyone else a kafir if he or she doesnt agree with them and doesnt fall in their criteria.. )

regarding the murder of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH

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[R2D2]

Medina Charter

1. This is a document from Muhammad the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace), governing relations between the Believers i.e. Muslims of Quraysh and Yathrib and those who followed them and worked hard with them. They form one nation -- Ummah.
2. The Quraysh Mohajireen will continue to pay blood money, according to their present custom.
   
3. In case of war with any body they will redeem their prisoners with kindness and justice common among Believers. (Not according to pre-Islamic nations where the rich and the poor were treated differently).
   
4. The Bani Awf will decide the blood money, within themselves, according to their existing custom.
   
5. In case of war with anybody all parties other than Muslims will redeem their prisoners with kindness and justice according to practice among Believers and not in accordance with pre-Islamic notions.
   
6. The Bani Saeeda, the Bani Harith, the Bani Jusham and the Bani Najjar will be governed on the lines of the above (principles)
   
7. The Bani Amr, Bani Awf, Bani Al-Nabeet, and Bani Al-Aws will be governed in the same manner.
   
8. Believers will not fail to redeem their prisoners they will pay blood money on their behalf. It will be a common responsibility of the Ummat and not of the family of the prisoners to pay blood money.
   
9. A Believer will not make the freedman of another Believer as his ally against the wishes of the other Believers.
   
10. The Believers, who fear Allah, will oppose the rebellious elements and those that encourage injustice or sin, or enmity or corruption among Believers.
    
11. If anyone is guilty of any such act all the Believers will oppose him even if he be the son of any one of them.
    
12. A Believer will not kill another Believer, for the sake of an un-Believer. (i.e. even though the un-Believer is his close relative).
    
13. No Believer will help an un-Believer against a Believer.
    
14. Protection (when given) in the Name of Allah will be common. The weakest among Believers may give protection (In the Name of Allah) and it will be binding on all Believers.
    
15. Believers are all friends to each other to the exclusion of all others.
    
16. Those Jews who follow the Believers will be helped and will be treated with equality. (Social, legal and economic equality is promised to all loyal citizens of the State).
    
17. No Jew will be wronged for being a Jew.
    
18. The enemies of the Jews who follow us will not be helped.
    
19. The peace of the Believers (of the State of Madinah) cannot be divided. (it is either peace or war for all. It cannot be that a part of the population is at war with the outsiders and a part is at peace).
    
20. No separate peace will be made by anyone in Madinah when Believers are fighting in the Path of Allah.
    
21. Conditions of peace and war and the accompanying ease or hardships must be fair and equitable to all citizens alike.
    
22. When going out on expeditions a rider must take his fellow member of the Army-share his ride.
    
23. The Believers must avenge the blood of one another when fighting in the Path of Allah (This clause was to remind those in front of whom there may be less severe fighting that the cause was common to all. This also meant that although each battle appeared a separate entity it was in fact a part of the War, which affected all Muslims equally).
    
24. The Believers (because they fear Allah) are better in showing steadfastness and as a result receive guidance from Allah in this respect. Others must also aspire to come up to the same standard of steadfastness.
    
25. No un-Believer will be permitted to take the property of the Quraysh (the enemy) under his protection. Enemy property must be surrendered to the State.
    
26. No un-Believer will intervene in favour of a Quraysh, (because the Quraysh having declared war are the enemy).
    
27. If any un-believer kills a Believer, without good cause, he shall be killed in return, unless the next of kin are satisfied (as it creates law and order problems and weakens the defence of the State). All Believers shall be against such a wrong-doer. No Believer will be allowed to shelter such a man.
    
28. When you differ on anything (regarding this Document) the matter shall be referred to Allah and Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace).
    
29. The Jews will contribute towards the war when fighting alongside the Believers.
    
30. The Jews of Bani Awf will be treated as one community with the Believers. The Jews have their religion. This will also apply to their freedmen. The exception will be those who act unjustly and sinfully. By so doing they wrong themselves and their families.
    
31. The same applies to Jews of Bani Al-Najjar, Bani Al Harith, Bani Saeeda, Bani Jusham, Bani Al Aws, Thaalba, and the Jaffna, (a clan of the Bani Thaalba) and the Bani Al Shutayba.
    
32. Loyalty gives protection against treachery. (loyal people are protected by their friends against treachery. As long as a person remains loyal to the State he is not likely to succumb to the ideas of being treacherous. He protects himself against weakness).
    
33. The freedmen of Thaalba will be afforded the same status as Thaalba themselves. This status is for fair dealings and full justice as a right and equal responsibility for military service.
    
34. Those in alliance with the Jews will be given the same treatment as the Jews.
    
35. No one (no tribe which is party to the Pact) shall go to war except with the permission of Muhammed (may Allah bless him and grant him peace). If any wrong has been done to any person or party it may be avenged.
    
36. Any one who kills another without warning (there being no just cause for it) amounts to his slaying himself and his household, unless the killing was done due to a wrong being done to him.
    
37. The Jews must bear their own expenses (in War) and the Muslims bear their expenses.
    
38. If anyone attacks anyone who is a party to this Pact the other must come to his help.
    
39. They (parties to this Pact) must seek mutual advice and consultation.
    
40. Loyalty gives protection against treachery. Those who avoid mutual consultation do so because of lack of sincerity and loyalty.
    
41. A man will not be made liable for misdeeds of his ally.
    
42. Anyone (any individual or party) who is wronged must be helped.
    
43. The Jews must pay (for war) with the Muslims. (this clause appears to be for occasions when Jews are not taking part in the war. Clause 37 deals with occasions when they are taking part in war).
    
44. Yathrib will be Sanctuary for the people of this Pact.
    
45. A stranger (individual) who has been given protection (by anyone party to this Pact) will be treated as his host (who has given him protection) while (he is) doing no harm and is not committing any crime. Those given protection but indulging in anti-state activities will be liable to punishment.
    
46. A woman will be given protection only with the consent of her family (Guardian). (a good precaution to avoid inter-tribal conflicts).
    
47. In case of any dispute or controversy, which may result in trouble the matter must be referred to Allah and Muhammed (may Allah bless him and grant him peace), The Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) of Allah will accept anything in this document, which is for (bringing about) piety and goodness.
    
48. Quraysh and their allies will not be given protection.
    
49. The parties to this Pact are bound to help each other in the event of an attack on Yathrib.
    
50. If they (the parties to the Pact other than the Muslims) are called upon to make and maintain peace (within the State) they must do so. If a similar demand (of making and maintaining peace) is made on the Muslims, it must be carried out, except when the Muslims are already engaged in a war in the Path of Allah. (so that no secret ally of the enemy can aid the enemy by calling upon Muslims to end hostilities under this clause).
    
51. Everyone (individual) will have his share (of treatment) in accordance with what party he belongs to. Individuals must benefit or suffer for the good or bad deed of the group they belong to. Without such a rule party affiliations and discipline cannot be maintained.
    
52. The Jews of al-Aws, including their freedmen, have the same standing, as other parties to the Pact, as long as they are loyal to the Pact. Loyalty is a protection against treachery.
    
53. Anyone who acts loyally or otherwise does it for his own good (or loss).
    
54. Allah approves this Document.
    
55. This document will not (be employed to) protect one who is unjust or commits a crime (against other parties of the Pact).
    
56. Whether an individual goes out to fight (in accordance with the terms of this Pact) or remains in his home, he will be safe unless he has committed a crime or is a sinner. (i.e. No one will be punished in his individual capacity for not having gone out to fight in accordance with the terms of this Pact).
    
57. Allah is the Protector of the good people and those who fear Allah, and Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) is the Messenger of Allah (He guarantees protection for those who are good and fear Allah).

Full Text of Medina Charter

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means family i.e Hussain RA

 

[Irfan Baloch]

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thanks.. added the word "family of"

 

[Irfan Baloch]

@Contrarian l I've been reading Hindu texts for quite a while, just like i read the Torah, the Bible even the Book of Morman.

Biggest give away of these Islamofascist, pseudo Islamic thugs is that they will ALWAYS refer to the Books of Ahadi'th, which were compiled much after the Prophet PUBH has passed.

Quran was revealed completely in 23 years and is the only authentic source of law. If Sharia is sourced from the Quran instead of the Ahadith, it would look much like modern democracy. Islamofascists take Ahadith as the main source of Sharia as it allows them the grey areas to establish the tyranny they so desire.

7 days before His passing the Prophet PBUH, stated 'Today your system/way of life has been completed and so has Allah's blessings been bestowed completely'.

No book of Hadith existed at that time. Islamofascists can go and smoke bong as their apartheid can simply be rejected for the source of their lawd wasn't ratified by the Prophet PBUH, which makes it non binding!

The first constitution of the Islamic state was written based on the Quran not the Ahadith.

@Hyperion @Armstrong

in essence I agree with you but while studying Islamic jurisprudence I learnt that sources of Shariah are Quran and Sunnah..
and the Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH left us with an advice saying that if any Hadith attributed to him appears to be contradictory to Quran and Islamic tenets then throw that Hadith to the wall (meaning his name is wrongly attributed to a saying to suit a certain group or ruler).

without being disrespectful all I can say is that the some of the Hadiths attributed to the Holy Prophet Muhmmad PBUH are really pushing the limits and remind me of a Hadith e Qudsi about someone swearing in the name of Allah and Allah says," that this man didnt find anyone else but Me to falsely swear?"

 

[R2D2]

Ottoman Qadi - islamic justice based on Islam i.e Quran, Sunnah, Ijmah, Qiyas

in essence I agree with you but while studying Islamic jurisprudence I learnt that sources of Shariah are Quran and Sunnah..
and the Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH left us with an advice saying that if any Hadith attributed to him appears to be contradictory to Quran and Islamic tenets then throw that Hadith to the wall (meaning his name is wrongly attributed to a saying to suit a certain group or ruler).

without being disrespectful all I can say is that the some of the Hadiths attributed to the Holy Prophet Muhmmad PBUH are really pushing the limits and remind me of a Hadith e Qudsi about someone swearing in the name of Allah and Allah says," that this man didnt find anyone else but Me to falsely swear?"

there are sahih, Mohsin and Zaeef Ahadeeth and used at different levels

 

[rockstar08]

* What will the Khilafa do to our Non Muslim minorities, their religious freedom and way of life?

* How would an interest free economic system function. Please give one example.

* Who gets to be the Khalifa, a Salafi, a Sufi, a Shia, a Sunni, a Deobandi or an Ahl-Hadith?

* Would women be included in the Govt?

Please give specific answeres.

1. All Human are subjects to any leader ... there is no exceptions of Law to any muslim or non muslim .. lots of non muslims Arabs live in Arab land , even at the time of Caliphate Rule by Omar ibn Khattab ..

2. You have to bring back the trading of Gold , and a strong Bait ul maal and Zakat system into your country in order to revolve money ..

3. there is no sects in new islam ..
(let me tell you a very small story , once there was a king , he decide to arrange a dialog between Shia and Sunni Scholars , so he called very highly educated Shia and sunni scholars , Shia' scholar come and they come with so many books and stuff to prove their points , but from Sunni side , one old guy comes forward. before he enter the palace of King , he took off his shoes and put them in his underarms ,some peoples ask him why are you holding you shoes in underarms ? he said that at the time of Prophet Muhammad , i heard that Shia peoples stole shoes from mosques , so i decide to hold my shoes , so one of the Shia scholar say , at that time of Prophet Muhammad pbuh there is no Shia and they all laugh , than the old guy said " If there is no Shia at the time Prophet Muhammad pbuh so than where do they come from now ? "
moral of story , there is no sect in islam .. One God, One prophet , One Quran and One and Only one islam ..

4. Women were considered very high in every islamic society , at the time of Hazart Omar Ra he appointed a women to watch over the Market issues , in order to watch traders , Women fights along side with mens in several battles , Womens are allowed to go pray in Mosques , Womens are allowed to study and work , but one things what differ from womens of that time and today , is their outfits , and this caused by society ..
so there is no rule in islam or Quran that women are not allowed in Islamic Govts. .

let me know if i miss any of your point

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Ottoman Airforce in WWI - Are these cavemen?

the opening scenes of Lawrence of Arabia , a Turkish monoplane is shown bombing and staffing the Arabian Bedouin rebels.

 

[Cherokee]

This guy surely love ottomans

the opening scenes of Lawrence of Arabia , a Turkish monoplane is shown bombing and staffing the Arabian Bedouin rebels.

The irony . Also lawrence of arabia is a very important figure which many people overlook . He is one of the main factors in shaping the ME of today .

 

[Cherokee]

Lawrence was caught by the Turk police in Arabia and rogered by them. He writes about it and whipping by the Turks longingly in his memoirs. But the Turks made a mistake of letting him go.

so what was your point here ?