Russian Nuclear Sub Sailed off U.S. Coast Undetected for Weeks

[Arzamas 16]

A Russian nuclear attack submarine sailed undetected in the Gulf of Mexico for weeks, a report said Tuesday, its travel in strategic U.S. waters discovered only after it left.

The Washington Free Beacon, citing unnamed sources, said the voyage was only the second time since 2009 that a Russian attack sub has ventured so close to U.S. shores.

“The stealth underwater incursion in the Gulf took place at the same time Russian strategic bombers made incursions into restricted U.S. airspace near Alaska and California in June and July, and highlights a growing military assertiveness by Moscow,” the publication reported on its Web site.

The Russian patrol managed to expose deficiencies in U.S. anti-submarine warfare capabilities, American officials said, according to the report. Some of those forces responsible for anti-submarine warfare and detection are targeted for cuts over the Obama administration’s plan to slice nearly $500 billion from the Pentagon’s budget over the next 10 years.

The Navy is responsible for detecting and tracking foreign submarines. The service uses undersea sensors and satellites to locate and track them, the Beacon reported.

The report said the Russian submarine was an Akula class, a nuclear-powered attack vessel initially developed by the former Soviet Union in the 1980s to counter the U.S. Navy’s Los Angeles class subs.

“The Akula class is the follow on to the Victor III and remains the most capable Russian attack submarine until the newer Yasen class is commissioned,” said a description from the Web site WeaponSystems.net.

According to the Beacon, one U.S. official said the Russian submarine operated off the U.S. coast for a month.

“The Akula was built for one reason and one reason only: To kill U.S. Navy ballistic missile submarines and their crews,” one U.S. official told the Beacon. “It’s a very stealthy boat so it can sneak around and avoid detection and hope to get past any protective screen a boomer might have in place.”

A “boomer” is Navy vernacular for a strategic nuclear submarine.

“Sending a nuclear-propelled submarine into the Gulf of Mexico-Caribbean region is another manifestation of President Putin demonstrating that Russia is still a player on the world’s political-military stage,” said Normal Polmar, a naval analyst and submarine warfare specialist.

“Like the recent deployment of a task force led by a nuclear cruiser into the Caribbean, the Russian Navy provides him with a means of ‘showing the flag’ that is not possible with Russian air and ground forces,” he said.

Navy officials had no comment on the report, said the Beacon.


Russian Nuclear Sub Sailed off U.S. Coast Undetected for Weeks | The Moral Liberal


If US Navy had problems detecting our Akula class, our new Yasen class when commissioned
is going to be a nightmare for them

 

[PteX]

Any credible sources? "The Moral Liberal" speaks for itself, you know.
Tried googling but all i got was one Pakistani site reporting it and a bunch of blogs and unknown newspapers.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

It was enjoying in U.S waters until detected.
Just wondering how many U.S submarines are in Russian waters and still undetected.

 

[Oldman1]

Umm how would they know it was operating there for a month if it was undetected?

 

[Gessler]

“The Akula was built for one reason and one reason only: To kill U.S. Navy ballistic missile submarines and their crews,” one U.S. official told the Beacon. “It’s a very stealthy boat so it can sneak around and avoid detection and hope to get past any protective screen a boomer might have in place.”

What if the Indian Navy's Akula-II in patrolling South china sea right now?

 

[gambit]

The US Navy, specifically the submariners, have no problems with being reputed as incompetents and inferior to anyone else's submarine force. Sling away, guys...

 

[vK_man]

A Russian nuclear attack submarine sailed undetected in the Gulf of Mexico for weeks, a report said Tuesday, its travel in strategic U.S. waters discovered only after it left.

The Washington Free Beacon, citing unnamed sources, said the voyage was only the second time since 2009 that a Russian attack sub has ventured so close to U.S. shores.

“The stealth underwater incursion in the Gulf took place at the same time Russian strategic bombers made incursions into restricted U.S. airspace near Alaska and California in June and July, and highlights a growing military assertiveness by Moscow,” the publication reported on its Web site.

The Russian patrol managed to expose deficiencies in U.S. anti-submarine warfare capabilities, American officials said, according to the report. Some of those forces responsible for anti-submarine warfare and detection are targeted for cuts over the Obama administration’s plan to slice nearly $500 billion from the Pentagon’s budget over the next 10 years.

The Navy is responsible for detecting and tracking foreign submarines. The service uses undersea sensors and satellites to locate and track them, the Beacon reported.

The report said the Russian submarine was an Akula class, a nuclear-powered attack vessel initially developed by the former Soviet Union in the 1980s to counter the U.S. Navy’s Los Angeles class subs.

“The Akula class is the follow on to the Victor III and remains the most capable Russian attack submarine until the newer Yasen class is commissioned,” said a description from the Web site WeaponSystems.net.

According to the Beacon, one U.S. official said the Russian submarine operated off the U.S. coast for a month.

“The Akula was built for one reason and one reason only: To kill U.S. Navy ballistic missile submarines and their crews,” one U.S. official told the Beacon. “It’s a very stealthy boat so it can sneak around and avoid detection and hope to get past any protective screen a boomer might have in place.”

A “boomer” is Navy vernacular for a strategic nuclear submarine.

“Sending a nuclear-propelled submarine into the Gulf of Mexico-Caribbean region is another manifestation of President Putin demonstrating that Russia is still a player on the world’s political-military stage,” said Normal Polmar, a naval analyst and submarine warfare specialist.

“Like the recent deployment of a task force led by a nuclear cruiser into the Caribbean, the Russian Navy provides him with a means of ‘showing the flag’ that is not possible with Russian air and ground forces,” he said.

Navy officials had no comment on the report, said the Beacon.


Russian Nuclear Sub Sailed off U.S. Coast Undetected for Weeks | The Moral Liberal


If US Navy had problems detecting our Akula class, our new Yasen class when commissioned
is going to be a nightmare for them

It is said that russians have satellite based heat bloom and wake detection system since the 80's which can track US subs?

 

[gambit]

It was enjoying in U.S waters until detected.
Just wondering how many U.S submarines are in Russian waters and still undetected.

The original article had 'unnamed source' and that should have been a flag for anyone who is capable of critical thinking.

Take the word 'undetected'.

There are two ways to be 'undetected':

1) No sensors. Obviously, you would not be detected at all if there are no sensors, live or unmanned.

2) Inadequate sensors. In this case, it could be either sensors that are of inferior technology, degraded sensors due to age or whatever, or poorly trained sonar operators because if you are poorly trained you would not be able to fully exploit the capabilities of what you have.

We have no other information about this alleged event. But of course, logical and critical thinking skills are often tossed out the window when it comes to the US.

 

[Obambam]

The Russians searching for potential buyers again?

 

[gambit]

It is said that russians have satellite based heat bloom...

Dubious.

...and wake detection system since the 80's which can track US subs?

What is a 'wake'? It is a displacement usually regarding water. A submerged sub does displaced water when it is moving, however, the visual cue for that displacement depends on the depth and to some extent the body's size. But basically, the deeper the sub, the less visible that cue.

Non-audio signatures do not reveal the origin of the sub, as in whose property is it.

 

[vK_man]

Dubious.


What is a 'wake'? It is a displacement usually regarding water. A submerged sub does displaced water when it is moving, however, the visual cue for that displacement depends on the depth and to some extent the body's size. But basically, the deeper the sub, the less visible that cue.

Non-audio signatures do not reveal the origin of the sub, as in whose property is it.

Did anyone ask for your spam ,pindostaniy?

 

[gambit]

Did anyone ask for your spam ,pindostaniy?

Did anyone asked for yours? Another kid who does not like to be challenged.

 

[vK_man]

Did anyone asked for yours? Another kid who does not like to be challenged.

kiddo,I was asking arzamas about a system like that ,because there were details about such an operational system under the thumb of the soviet general staff in the 80's.check the book Cold War Submarines: The Design and Construction of U.S. and Soviet Submarines page 185 and also one of russian ulternationalists Maxim Kalashnikov's claims related to this is that russians can direct ICBM's to take out american SSBN's in event of war with such system. Also there were some Segdonaya newspaper in 1998 related to this.

I want confirmation in relation to these claims so I am asking a russian about further explanation on how a system like this could work.So don't spam me with your nonsense pindostaniy.

 

[anon45]

The original article had 'unnamed source' and that should have been a flag for anyone who is capable of critical thinking.

Take the word 'undetected'.

There are two ways to be 'undetected':

1) No sensors. Obviously, you would not be detected at all if there are no sensors, live or unmanned.

2) Inadequate sensors. In this case, it could be either sensors that are of inferior technology, degraded sensors due to age or whatever, or poorly trained sonar operators because if you are poorly trained you would not be able to fully exploit the capabilities of what you have.

We have no other information about this alleged event. But of course, logical and critical thinking skills are often tossed out the window when it comes to the US.

Plus the article becomes weirdly specific on mentioning the budget. Its also just as likely the sub was detected and the military didn't say anything, its not like the sub was going to launch nukes or anything, so it wasn't a big threat.

 

[gambit]

kiddo,...

Am probably old enough to be your father.

...I was asking arzamas about a system like that ,because there were details about such an operational system under the thumb of the soviet general staff in the 80's.check the book Cold War Submarines: The Design and Construction of U.S. and Soviet Submarines page 185 and also one of russian ulternationalists Maxim Kalashnikov's claims related to this is that russians can direct ICBM's to take out american SSBN's in event of war with such system. Also there were some Segdonaya newspaper in 1998 related to this.

I want confirmation in relation to these claims so I am asking a russian about further explanation on how a system like this could work.So don't spam me with your nonsense pindostaniy.

This is a publicly available forum and that mean your posts are opened for anyone to see and respond. Get it? You do not like it? Stay off the Internet.