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No control over operations of Army, ISI: govt | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

ISLAMABAD: All eyes are focussed on the Supreme Court as it is set to take up the memo case again on Thursday.

In a late night development on Wednesday which added yet another twist to the memo scandal, the federal government, through the Ministry of Defence, conceded before the Supreme Court that it had no operational control over the armed forces as well as the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).

A one-page reply by the defence ministry said it was not in a position to submit any reply on behalf of the armed forces and the ISI.

Earlier on Dec 15, the government had submitted its reply on behalf of the ministries of interior and foreign affairs. It requested the court to dismiss the petitions over memo scandal.

The filing of the reply by the defence ministry has heightened apprehensions, with many interpreting it as a telltale sign of friction between the civilian arm of the government and the military over the memo matter.

Lt Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the ISI chief, also submitted to the court his sworn affidavit through the office of Attorney General Maulvi Anwarul Haq late on Wednesday night. He virtually repeated the stand he had taken in his reply filed earlier in the court.

Earlier during the day, army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani submitted a sworn affidavit acknowledging the existence of the memorandum while PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif submitted a rejoinder.

The affidavits of President Asif Ali Zardari and former ambassador to the US Husain Haqqani had not arrived.

Not satisfied with the replies, the court had on Dec 19 asked the petitioners as well as the respondents to submit affidavits on oath as well as paragraph-wise comments denying or accepting whatever was levelled or stated in the petitions or the replies.

The court felt the need for seeking sworn affidavits and rejoinders to clear cobwebs in different stands taken by the petitioners and the respondents and to ascertain whether a question of public importance is involved to exercise jurisdiction under Article 184(3) of the Constitution by the court.

However, despite clear directives President Zardari chose to remain silent by not filing any reply. Realising the importance of the reply on part of the president, the Supreme Court at the last hearing had pointed out that allegations not rebutted would always be considered correct, implicitly asking the president to submit his point of view on the memo scandal.

“I am not aware of the status. However, it is a legal and constitutional issue which will appropriately be addressed in accordance with the law and the Constitution,” presidential spokesman Farhatullah Babar told Dawn when asked whether or not the president would file the reply.

NAWAZ SEES SERIOUS THREAT

In his rejoinder, Nawaz Sharif expressed his surprise over not filing of any reply by the president. “Mr Zardari now has an ample and clear opportunity through this petition to clear the name of the allegation internationally levelled against him, but reluctance to take benefit of this opportunity is not understandable,” the rejoinder said.

If the allegations levelled by Mansoor Ijaz are even half true, Mr Sharif feared, the very foundations of the country were under a serious threat.


The rejoinder said: “If the entire state and the indispensable institutions defending its integrity and sovereignty are rocked, then how are the fundamental rights of the people not aggressed upon?

“The question which might, however, still require determination is whether Mansoor Ijaz, by creating the memo and then ensuring its communication to one of the highest and one of the most important functionaries of the US, is only playing a joke just to tease his friend Husain Haqqani or is it a track-II back channel diplomacy.

“Needless to say that even former US national security adviser James Logan Jones confirmed through his affidavit that the memo was authorised by the highest authority within the Pakistan government. Should not it be the anxiety of Haqqani whose name is being publicly sullied both nationally and internationally, to ask for a determination of actual facts to clear his name and would not he have in fact joined the petitioner’s prayer if he is innocent.”

The rejoinder reiterated that the disclosure made and evidence in possession of Ijaz did warrant a proper judicial scrutiny and determination in the larger public and national interest.

Referring to the allegation that the petition was conceived by those who wished to destroy the democratic system, the rejoinder said it would be the anxiety of any “normal, reasonable patriotic citizen” to ensure that the perpetrators of such crime against their motherland are identified and brought to book.

On the parliamentary committee seized with the matter, the rejoinder said it did not oust the jurisdiction of the court to discharge its obligations the Constitution had placed on it. In his affidavit, the army chief repeated whatever he had submitted in his earlier reply.

The affidavit said: “The memo episode has an impact on national security and lowers the morale of the Pakistan Army, whose young officers and soldiers are laying down their lives for the security and defence of territorial integrity and political independence and sovereignty of Pakistan.

“Nonetheless, Pakistan Army is in high spirits and fully determined to defend its homeland against all challenges.

“There is nothing denying the fact that the memo exists and it is also admitted to have been delivered and received by the US authorities. Therefore, there may be a need to fully examine the fact and circumstances leading to the conception and issuance of the memo.

“The ISI DG briefed the army chief on Oct 24 about his meeting with Mansoor Ijaz. In his (ISI DG) opinion there was sufficient material available on the existence of the memo and that it had been passed to Admiral Mullen and that Ijaz remained in touch with Haqqani from May 9 to 11.

“As per ISI DG’s assessment, the sequence and contents of the text messages and telephone calls created a reasonable doubt regarding Haqqani’s association with the memo.”

In his rejoinder and affidavit, Barrister Zafarullah said he had filed the petition to ensure security, liberty and freedom of Pakistan .
 
One of the biggest reason for having turmoil in Pakistan.
and From when u are expert in Pakistani politics.

We are better off ,we have seen what this democracy can do for us.

It totally better for us that Army and esp ISI stay awy from GOVT. coz corrupt bastards are going to bring things down as well.

All this noise is just coz of ISI doing its JOB perfectly well.
 
and From when u are expert in Pakistani politics.

We are better off ,we have seen what this democracy can do for us.

It totally better for us that Army and esp ISI stay awy from GOVT. coz corrupt bastards are going to bring things down as well.

All this noise is just coz of ISI doing its JOB perfectly well.

:lol: ISI and army are holy cow...who hold the veto power on almost every decision and all the blames go to Govt. Cool
 
Federal government, through the Ministry of Defence, conceded before the Supreme Court that it had no operational control over the armed forces as well as the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).
A State within a State? Gestapo? Who's in charge in Pakistan? The Establishment seems to be pulling in different directions with one hand not knowing what the other is doing. Looks like a recipe for disaster and mayhem. Zardari and Co are acting like clowns in a three ring circus!

I think the Pak Army should take over complete control even if it is for a limited period and set things in order. Otherwise, with a lame duck government at the helm, things can only get worse.
 
A State within a State? Gestapo? Who's in charge in Pakistan? The Establishment seems to be pulling in different directions with one hand not knowing what the other is doing. Looks like a recipe for disaster and mayhem. Zardari and Co are acting like clowns in a three ring circus!

I think the Pak Army should take over complete control even if it is for a limited period and set things in order. Otherwise, with a lame duck government at the helm, things can only get worse.

as a lay person i would agree what you said about taking over of Govt ......... but with this stretched setup as a wise cheif of army i would rather love to reject your idea ............... keeping an eye on both border then controling the turmoil which is happening rapidly would make army suffer and we being a pakistani just get tired of very fast of anything either it is democracy or army ruling the country
 
No control over operations of Army, ISI: Pak Govt

The govt has admitted that it has no control over Army and ISI-

Memo case is half proved against the government-

The rest will be when they admit they did send a memo to amrika stating the same asking for foreign interference--
 
National security committee summons army, ISI chiefs

ISLAMABAD:It’s a bold move, but the parliamentary committee on national security will soon find out if it has acted “too big for its boots”.


The committee decided on Wednesday to summon Pakistan’s military and spy chiefs to explain their stance on the Memogate, in an apparent bid to dispel the impression that the all-party body was too weak to probe such a high-profile criminal case.

Chaired by Senator Raza Rabbani, the panel also decided to call Husain Haqqani, Pakistan’s former ambassador to the US, who is at the heart of the bitter controversy which has engulfed national politics over the past two months.

A couple of the meeting’s participants told The Express Tribune that the panel was unanimous in its view that any individual and institution, irrespective of their power or position, could be summoned.

It was not immediately decided when Chief of Army Staff Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and Director General Inter-Services Intelligence Ahmed Shuja Pasha should appear before the committee.

The all-party and bicameral panel was assigned by Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani to investigate the memo allegedly sent to then-top US military commander by Haqqani to seek help against a possible military coup in Pakistan in May.


Haqqani denied any role in sending the request through Pakistani-American businessman Mansoor Ijaz, whose article in the Financial Times in October triggered the controversy.

Rabbani told the media that the attorney general had been asked to send the panel all documentation submitted to the Supreme Court by military authorities and Haqqani.

The Supreme Court is holding a parallel investigation into the scandal on several petitions, one of them filed by Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) President Nawaz Sharif.

There had been criticism from some quarters that the parliamentary committee did not have technical expertise to probe a case involving criminal investigations. But Rabbani said the panel would go ahead with its investigations, irrespective of the Supreme Court’s decision.

“Nothing can stop us…we will complete our task, it doesn’t matter who else is doing the same,” he said.


PML-N boycott rejected

According to Rabbani, members from the PML-N offered to abstain from the committee because the party was a petitioner in the Supreme Court. The panel’s chairman, however, said the committee unanimously turned down the offer from Senator Ishaq Dar and MNA Sardar Mehtab Abbasi.

Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan said on Tuesday that his party might boycott the committee because it was irrelevant.

Published in The Express Tribune, December 22nd, 2011.
 
A State within a State? Gestapo? Who's in charge in Pakistan? The Establishment seems to be pulling in different directions with one hand not knowing what the other is doing. Looks like a recipe for disaster and mayhem. Zardari and Co are acting like clowns in a three ring circus!

I think the Pak Army should take over complete control even if it is for a limited period and set things in order. Otherwise, with a lame duck government at the helm, things can only get worse.

The Army has taken over repeatedly for un limited periods , nothing was ' set in order".

Every organ has a definite role, multi tasking is the root of the problem.

GOP ( Islamabad ) & GOP ( Rawalpindi) are forever clashing in their zones of jurisdiction.
 
At some point this has to happen however, given the subservience this government shows to the US, its good it hasn't happened.
 
as a lay person i would agree what you said about taking over of Govt ......... but with this stretched setup as a wise cheif of army i would rather love to reject your idea ............... keeping an eye on both border then controling the turmoil which is happening rapidly would make army suffer and we being a pakistani just get tired of very fast of anything either it is democracy or army ruling the country

This, unfortunately is a case of wielding power without assuming the responsibility that comes with it. The civilian government is talking the flak for every problem faced by the country while not being in a position to execute any plans that they may have without it being subject to a veto. Forget genuine civilian issues like power supply, railways & so on (where budgetary constraints because of the share allocated to the military play a part)..even in military failures like the raid on the OBL compound, the military has deftly managed to put the civilian government in the dock rather than be held accountable for its failure ( both for supposedly not knowing of OBL's presence as well as being unable to stop the raid). You have a recipe for disaster & economic/governmental gridlock. A clear & defined centre of power must exist (whether civilian or military) for a country to have any chance of progress. This may be a convenient fig leaf for the Pakistani generals but it spells very bad news for the country as a whole. You are essentially blaming the civilian government (this or any other) for matters that are simply not under their control while those who actually hold the reigns of power have no accountability whatsoever.
 
The Army has taken over repeatedly for un limited periods , nothing was ' set in order".

Every organ has a definite role, multi tasking is the root of the problem.

GOP ( Islamabad ) & GOP ( Rawalpindi) are forever clashing in their zones of jurisdiction.

Nah..Even i believe PA should take over..
 
and From when u are expert in Pakistani politics.

We are better off ,we have seen what this democracy can do for us.

It totally better for us that Army and esp ISI stay awy from GOVT. coz corrupt bastards are going to bring things down as well.

All this noise is just coz of ISI doing its JOB perfectly well.

Sometimes you cant see things from the inside, the perception from outside may more wide and insightful.
 

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