'Won't control my men' : Backer of Hathras rape / torture accused threatens violence

[jamahir]

‘Won’t Control My Men’: Hathras Accused-Backer Threatens Violence

Asmita Nandy
7 October 2020, 11:49 am

One of the supporters of the accused in the Hathras case, who was seen threatening Bhim Army chief Chandrashekhar Azad in front of police in a viral video, has issued an open threat. On a call with The Quint, this local leader of an anti-reservation, upper caste outfit said:

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“So far I have addressed over 5,000 people at gatherings but if the political leaders don’t stop visiting the Dalit victim’s family, I won’t be able to control my karyakartas or members of the Savarna samaj. Because my followers, my workers, my community is out of control.”​

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Pankaj Dhavrayya, a former member of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), is the founder of Rashtriya Savarna Sangathan, an anti-reservation upper-caste outfit in Uttar Pradesh. Dhavrayya has been leading huge crowds of people in support of the four Thakurs accused of rape and murder of a 19-year-old Dalit girl.

‘Come Meet Your Elder Brother’: Threat to Bhim Army Chief

On 4 October, he posted a video on his own Facebook profile where he can be seen threatening Bhim Army Chief Chandrashekhar Azad who had gone to meet the victim family. In the background, policemen can be seen standing as bystanders even as he issued threats.
In the video, he can be heard saying:

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“Does he not trust the CBI or the SIT? Does he not have faith in the law? Meet us once, we will make you have faith. The kind of politics that you are doing...Dhavrayya will ensure you have faith (in law). Come here, your elder brother wants to meet you.”​

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Speaking to The Quint, he said, “If I had to threaten him, I have hundreds of people who could have beaten him up inside the village. Who would have stopped us, tell me? I also don't want any violence but if politicians are not stopped, then violence will happen. I will then point at the police administration too. Then I will also not stop my karyakartas.”
"“I have addressed 12 sabhas of 5,000 people each. If I give them one go ahead, there won’t be any delay for violence to break out.”"‘We Don’t Discriminate Over Caste’: Police Files FIR

After the phone call, The Quint immediately informed the Uttar Pradesh DGP and IG Aligarh who assured that appropriate action will be taken against him. “Anyone who tries to create a gulf between communities and disrupt peace will be punished. It does not matter which caste the person belongs to.”

On 6 October, an FIR was filed against Dhavrayya under IPC Sections 188 (Disobedience to order duly promulgated by public servant) and 506 (criminal intimidation).

So far, 19 FIRs have been filed related to the case against “unknown” people with charges of sedition and conspiracy.

Who is Pankaj Dhavrayya?

“I am a Brahmin yet I am fighting for justice for Thakurs. Caste does not matter, but the truth should come out.”

Pankaj Dhavrayya, a resident of Hathras, said his ‘Rashtriya Savarna Sangathan’ is spread across 22 districts of Uttar Pradesh. As per his Facebook profile, he was a former member of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and left the right-wing organisation in 2016. “I split from the RSS after I protested against the BJP over their stand on the SC/ST act and reservation. That is an old tale,” he told The Quint.

"“My main motive is campaigning against reservation and SC/ST Act. I stand for all Savarnas. For me ‘savarna’ means anyone who believes in his own hard work and does not depend on anyone.”"

“Running this organisation is my only job right now. I go to difference places to help people from any caste groups,” Pankaj said.

Dhavrayya said he has been prohibited by the police to hold any further gatherings over the Hathras case.

 

[xeuss]

India - only country where people support the rapists and not the victims

 

[hussain0216]

H.I.N.D.U.T.V.A

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

‘Won’t Control My Men’: Hathras Accused-Backer Threatens Violence

Asmita Nandy
7 October 2020, 11:49 am

One of the supporters of the accused in the Hathras case, who was seen threatening Bhim Army chief Chandrashekhar Azad in front of police in a viral video, has issued an open threat. On a call with The Quint, this local leader of an anti-reservation, upper caste outfit said:

​

“So far I have addressed over 5,000 people at gatherings but if the political leaders don’t stop visiting the Dalit victim’s family, I won’t be able to control my karyakartas or members of the Savarna samaj. Because my followers, my workers, my community is out of control.”​

​

Pankaj Dhavrayya, a former member of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), is the founder of Rashtriya Savarna Sangathan, an anti-reservation upper-caste outfit in Uttar Pradesh. Dhavrayya has been leading huge crowds of people in support of the four Thakurs accused of rape and murder of a 19-year-old Dalit girl.

‘Come Meet Your Elder Brother’: Threat to Bhim Army Chief

On 4 October, he posted a video on his own Facebook profile where he can be seen threatening Bhim Army Chief Chandrashekhar Azad who had gone to meet the victim family. In the background, policemen can be seen standing as bystanders even as he issued threats.
In the video, he can be heard saying:

​

“Does he not trust the CBI or the SIT? Does he not have faith in the law? Meet us once, we will make you have faith. The kind of politics that you are doing...Dhavrayya will ensure you have faith (in law). Come here, your elder brother wants to meet you.”​

​

Speaking to The Quint, he said, “If I had to threaten him, I have hundreds of people who could have beaten him up inside the village. Who would have stopped us, tell me? I also don't want any violence but if politicians are not stopped, then violence will happen. I will then point at the police administration too. Then I will also not stop my karyakartas.”
"“I have addressed 12 sabhas of 5,000 people each. If I give them one go ahead, there won’t be any delay for violence to break out.”"‘We Don’t Discriminate Over Caste’: Police Files FIR

After the phone call, The Quint immediately informed the Uttar Pradesh DGP and IG Aligarh who assured that appropriate action will be taken against him. “Anyone who tries to create a gulf between communities and disrupt peace will be punished. It does not matter which caste the person belongs to.”

On 6 October, an FIR was filed against Dhavrayya under IPC Sections 188 (Disobedience to order duly promulgated by public servant) and 506 (criminal intimidation).

So far, 19 FIRs have been filed related to the case against “unknown” people with charges of sedition and conspiracy.

Who is Pankaj Dhavrayya?

“I am a Brahmin yet I am fighting for justice for Thakurs. Caste does not matter, but the truth should come out.”

Pankaj Dhavrayya, a resident of Hathras, said his ‘Rashtriya Savarna Sangathan’ is spread across 22 districts of Uttar Pradesh. As per his Facebook profile, he was a former member of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and left the right-wing organisation in 2016. “I split from the RSS after I protested against the BJP over their stand on the SC/ST act and reservation. That is an old tale,” he told The Quint.

"“My main motive is campaigning against reservation and SC/ST Act. I stand for all Savarnas. For me ‘savarna’ means anyone who believes in his own hard work and does not depend on anyone.”"

“Running this organisation is my only job right now. I go to difference places to help people from any caste groups,” Pankaj said.

Dhavrayya said he has been prohibited by the police to hold any further gatherings over the Hathras case.

I don't understand. Does this person claim the accused are being wrongfully accused, or the victim is lying about being raped or accepts the accused are so but supports them for other reasons?

 

[jamahir]

Salaam





I don't understand. Does this person claim the accused are being wrongfully accused, or the victim is lying about being raped or accepts the accused are so but supports them for other reasons?

Salaam bhai, I think he knows that the four accused have done the crime but wants to see a situation where the CBI and SIT ( police Special Investigation Team ) are in some days forced to forget the case. I quote from the OP :

“I am a Brahmin yet I am fighting for justice for Thakurs. Caste does not matter, but the truth should come out.”

Dhavrayya has been leading huge crowds of people in support of the four Thakurs accused of rape and murder of a 19-year-old Dalit girl.

He is a former member of the original RSS and has founded another group also called RSS and seems confident that UP state's BJP Chief Minister will provide him with political and legal cover for these purposes.

As for the victim, she is dead and has been cremated by the police without permission or participation of her family. The family was locked up in their house while the police did this.

The state government basically will dismiss or suspend a few police officials and will want a situation where the four accused will be let off.

 

[Gadkari]

Salaam

I don't understand. Does this person claim the accused are being wrongfully accused, or the victim is lying about being raped or accepts the accused are so but supports them for other reasons?

Truth is often the First causality of POLITICS.


The "victim" and the "rapist" were lovers and the relationship was frowned upon by BOTH their families.

The boy's family sent him away to break the relationship but the foolish boy brought a new mobile and gifted it to the girl so that they could keep in touch.

This was discovered by the gir's "bhabhi" i.e. brothers wife and she told her husband and mother in law about it.

So when the couple was meeting in the field the brother caught them, the boy ran and the girl got jerked around by the neck and beaten and ended up with a broken neck.

This was witnessed by another boy "luvkush" of the same village when he came running to provide water to the injured girl after hearing her mothers cries.

This boy is also now an "accused" and is accused of "gang rape".

Girl died and politicians jumped in and asked the family to claim "rape" so that they got Govt. Job, Rs. 25 Lakh as compensation, new house and escape from criminal conviction.


The clincher was the fact that both the lover and the girls brother have the same name "Sandeep", so when the girl said "Sandeep" tried to strangle me, guess who she meant.



Just another day in Indian politics.

 

[jamahir]

Truth is often the First causality of POLITICS.


The "victim" and the "rapist" were lovers and the relationship was frowned upon by BOTH their families.

The boy's family sent him away to break the relationship but the foolish boy brought a new mobile and gifted it to the girl so that they could keep in touch.

This was discovered by the gir's "bhabhi" i.e. brothers wife and she told her husband and mother in law about it.

So when the couple was meeting in the field the brother caught them, the boy ran and the girl got jerked around by the neck and beaten and ended up with a broken neck.

This was witnessed by another boy "luvkush" of the same village when he came running to provide water to the injured girl after hearing her mothers cries.

This boy is also now an "accused" and is accused of "gang rape".

Girl died and politicians jumped in and asked the family to claim "rape" so that they got Govt. Job, Rs. 25 Lakh as compensation, new house and escape from criminal conviction.


The clincher was the fact that both the lover and the girls brother have the same name "Sandeep", so when the girl said "Sandeep" tried to strangle me, guess who she meant.



Just another day in Indian politics.

Wonderful. You are now accusing the Dalit victim's family of honor killing. Where did you get this fantasy from ?

1. Why are there four accused instead of the single one you are saying ?

2. What about the girl's bitten off tongue ?

3. Why isn't your story known to Chandrashekhar Azad, Rahul Gandhi, Priyanka Gandhi and other non-BJP leaders ?

This is not Hindu culture.

Unfortunately North Indians Hindus have obtain this thing from the Muslim invaders who have a policy/custom of taking opponent's women as sex slaves.

Right, a parrot eats a mango in someone's garden and you will blame Muslims.

You are doing here what some others did after the Hyderabad gangrape and murder case :

Attempt to communalise

According to the police, among the four accused, three were Hindus and one was Muslim. Members of the right-wing Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party MLA Raja Singh, BJP's IT Cell chief Amit Malviya and some party supporters made posts on social media that gave the incident a false communal spin by selectively focusing on the Muslim suspect. Cyberabad Police stated that it will take action against people trying to communalise the incident, and the DCP stated "It is absolutely not communal in nature as the accused are of all communities so it is incorrect to say it is anything related to religion." Many tweets were reported for "inciting communal hatred", and Twitter locked Payal Rohatgi's account after her tweets were reported.

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

Salaam bhai, I think he knows that the four accused have done the crime but wants to see a situation where the CBI and SIT ( police Special Investigation Team ) are in some days forced to forget the case. I quote from the OP :




He is a former member of the original RSS and has founded another group also called RSS and seems confident that UP state's BJP Chief Minister will provide him with political and legal cover for these purposes.

As for the victim, she is dead and has been cremated by the police without permission or participation of her family. The family was locked up in their house while the police did this.

The state government basically will dismiss or suspend a few police officials and will want a situation where the four accused will be let off.

If that is indeed the case, it is very saddening.

What is your opinion on what @Gadkari said below?


Which caste is thakkur? Are they lower caste?

I read somewhere that brahmins are a minority - so doesn't this politics hurt RSS's vote bank? Wouldn't it make sense to not divide your powerbase in a such a way that leaves you in a minority?

I remember there were some sort of riots going on between some castes. The issue there was also reserved seats as well. This seems like an issue that could get exacerbated by the likely worsening of the economic situation due to covid and the ongoing crisis.

Truth is often the First causality of POLITICS.


The "victim" and the "rapist" were lovers and the relationship was frowned upon by BOTH their families.

The boy's family sent him away to break the relationship but the foolish boy brought a new mobile and gifted it to the girl so that they could keep in touch.

This was discovered by the gir's "bhabhi" i.e. brothers wife and she told her husband and mother in law about it.

So when the couple was meeting in the field the brother caught them, the boy ran and the girl got jerked around by the neck and beaten and ended up with a broken neck.

This was witnessed by another boy "luvkush" of the same village when he came running to provide water to the injured girl after hearing her mothers cries.

This boy is also now an "accused" and is accused of "gang rape".

Girl died and politicians jumped in and asked the family to claim "rape" so that they got Govt. Job, Rs. 25 Lakh as compensation, new house and escape from criminal conviction.


The clincher was the fact that both the lover and the girls brother have the same name "Sandeep", so when the girl said "Sandeep" tried to strangle me, guess who she meant.



Just another day in Indian politics.

That seems like a fantastical story. How do you know which one is true?

 

[Gadkari]

Wonderful. You are now accusing the Dalit victim's family of honor killing. Where did you get this fantasy from ?

1. Why are there four accused instead of the one you are saying ?

2. What about the girl's bitten off tongue ?

3. Why isn't your story known to Chandrashekhar Azad, Rahul Gandhi, Priyanka Gandhi and other non-BJP leaders ?

It was not Honor killing, it was an accidental killing.

Pretty much everybody in the village knows this truth. The boy and the girl was also brought before the panchayat a few months back and they suggested that the couple get married, which was objected by both the families. It was after this the boy was sent away to his uncle's house.

You would have know the truth if you were searching for it, but all you are interested in is propaganda for your cheap political thrills.

There is also an old history of enmity between the two families and they had fought a court case in 2001 and the dalit family had settled the matter after collecting 2 lakh from the thakur family. This too is on the record.

The girl bit her own tongue when she was being strangled. Biting tongue is a common occurrence in strangulation victims.



LOL at your suggestion that politicians do not know the real story

Politicians do not care for the truth, they care about communal divide, vote back and winning elections.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Right, a parrot eats a mango in someone's private garden and you will blame Muslims.

You are doing here what some others did after the Hyderabad gangrape and murder case :

Islamic rulers had the custom of taking windows and daughters of the opponents as sex slaves.

Raja Dahir's daughters were taken as sex slaves to Syria.

Rajput women started committing suicides (Jauhar) to avoid being taken as sex slaves by the Muslim armies.

This is all very well documented history but you just want to ignore because of your biases.

 

[hussain0216]

Truth is often the First causality of POLITICS.


The "victim" and the "rapist" were lovers and the relationship was frowned upon by BOTH their families.

The boy's family sent him away to break the relationship but the foolish boy brought a new mobile and gifted it to the girl so that they could keep in touch.

This was discovered by the gir's "bhabhi" i.e. brothers wife and she told her husband and mother in law about it.

So when the couple was meeting in the field the brother caught them, the boy ran and the girl got jerked around by the neck and beaten and ended up with a broken neck.

This was witnessed by another boy "luvkush" of the same village when he came running to provide water to the injured girl after hearing her mothers cries.

This boy is also now an "accused" and is accused of "gang rape".

Girl died and politicians jumped in and asked the family to claim "rape" so that they got Govt. Job, Rs. 25 Lakh as compensation, new house and escape from criminal conviction.


The clincher was the fact that both the lover and the girls brother have the same name "Sandeep", so when the girl said "Sandeep" tried to strangle me, guess who she meant.



Just another day in Indian politics.

I am speechless at how Indian Hindus will try to justify this rather then simply give justice to a poor murdered and brutalized girl.


Remember this those hindutva rapists are among you

 

[hussain0216]

This is not Hindu culture.

Unfortunately North Indians Hindus have obtain this thing from the Muslim invaders who have a policy/custom of taking opponent's women as sex slaves.

Sure it's not because Hindus are animals

 

[Gadkari]

Salaam

If that is indeed the case, it is very saddening.

What is your opinion on what @Gadkari said below?


Which caste is thakkur? Are they lower caste?

I read somewhere that brahmins are a minority - so doesn't this politics hurt RSS's vote bank? Wouldn't it make sense to not divide your powerbase in a such a way that leaves you in a minority?

I remember there were some sort of riots going on between some castes. The issue there was also reserved seats as well. This seems like an issue that could get exacerbated by the likely worsening of the economic situation due to covid and the ongoing crisis.


That seems like a fantastical story. How do you know which one is true?

One will NEVER know the truth because the whole thing has been politicized and anyone who will tell the truth will now be an "agent" or "anti dalit" or BJP Sanghi or "upper caste thug" etc.

You can watch this same circus in pdf too. Just wait till they call me names. Or have they done it already ?


In this particular case, the thakur family is POORER than the "dalit" family.

They are begging for CBI inquiry which the "dalit victims" family is saying NO to.Have you ever heard of the victims family saying NO to a more professional investigation ?

 

[jamahir]

What is your opinion on what @Gadkari said below?

I have replied to him in post# 8.

Which caste is thakkur? Are they lower caste?

Thakurs are upper caste former-time zamindars I think. Feudal landlords.

I read somewhere that brahmins are a minority - so doesn't this politics hurt RSS's vote bank? Wouldn't it make sense to not divide your powerbase in a such a way that leaves you in a minority?

Yes, Brahmins are a minority but there are other upper castes like Thakurs and Rajputs. And them seem not bothered by all these cases of injustices that are done by them.

I remember there were some sort of riots going on between some castes. The issue there was also reserved seats as well. This seems like an issue that could get exacerbated by the likely worsening of the economic situation due to covid and the ongoing crisis.

There were the protests in the 1990s against the Mandal Commission. The commission brought to light the non-representation of Dalits and other lower castes in educational institutes. The Brahmin and other upper caste students protested violently.

And as per the OP in this thread, this leader also does not like reservation in any institution :

Pankaj Dhavrayya, a former member of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), is the founder of Rashtriya Savarna Sangathan, an anti-reservation upper-caste outfit in Uttar Pradesh.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Truth is often the First causality of POLITICS.


The "victim" and the "rapist" were lovers and the relationship was frowned upon by BOTH their families.

The boy's family sent him away to break the relationship but the foolish boy brought a new mobile and gifted it to the girl so that they could keep in touch.

This was discovered by the gir's "bhabhi" i.e. brothers wife and she told her husband and mother in law about it.

So when the couple was meeting in the field the brother caught them, the boy ran and the girl got jerked around by the neck and beaten and ended up with a broken neck.

This was witnessed by another boy "luvkush" of the same village when he came running to provide water to the injured girl after hearing her mothers cries.

This boy is also now an "accused" and is accused of "gang rape".

Girl died and politicians jumped in and asked the family to claim "rape" so that they got Govt. Job, Rs. 25 Lakh as compensation, new house and escape from criminal conviction.


The clincher was the fact that both the lover and the girls brother have the same name "Sandeep", so when the girl said "Sandeep" tried to strangle me, guess who she meant.



Just another day in Indian politics.

You disgust me.