History of Genocide of Muslims in India

[El Sidd]

Aaah...here we have a wise old guy, for whom the suffering of Muslims is simply a game that will "play out" on some forum.

Tell you something buddy - Pakistanis are far more sympathetic to us than you will ever, ever, ever be.

do you live somewhere in abject minority?

There is no taboo. Either you want to taken seriously by Indians or Pakistanis. You cannot be both.

Did you come up with the slogan Graveyard or Pakistan?

 

[xeuss]

I do not have power to change anyone's opinion and I do not want to do it either.

@xeuss is a mature and educated man. He should decide what he wants to be.

I can only say @xeuss is currently a god's gift for the ultra right on both sides.

"Both sides" is a tired old argument.

I just have a question - what did I say that bothers you so much?

I have only thanked the Pakistanis for their kind words on our plight. I would thank you as well if you had expressed the same. But sadly, you cannot bring yourself to say anything on our behalf.

Why doesn't it occur to you and all your brethren - we would never look elsewhere if we had got justice in our own country. We are not asking for anything more than justice - punish those who wreak havoc on us.

Yes they are. They demonstrated it (en masse) aptly on the Bengalis...forget what they merely "thought" and "declared" and "forumed" during that time.

All neatly put in a package away from conscience and memory now as required.

But you keep being you pal.

Well you have had more than several opportunities to speak on our behalf and drown out the voices of those that you detest, who speak on our behalf.

But your Saravana Brahmin upbringing will probably never allow you to do that.

You will instead just tell us how we should live and die and how we should speak.

 

[Silverblaze]

Pakistanis need to understand one thing.

The hindu is a genetically hostile entity to muslmans.

All this crap of pyar and aman is unreal. Sadly, many Pakistanis post videos and blogs about how much pyar mila hindus and sikhs ko in Pakistan.

A real event.

After killing more than 1 millions muslims in 1947 and continuing on and giving Pakistan a moth eaten territory which was not viable, stopped waters in 1948 and in early 1950, india decided to attack the young Pakistan on both fronts under the pretext of anti hindu riots in East Pakistan and an exaggerated number of refugees. Same refugee excuse was used later in 1971.

Anyways, Hindus lead by pandit nehru warned of 'other methods' if Pakistan doesnt 'stop' its atrocities.
Liaquat had no choice to go to india and sign the nehru - liaquat pact. Thats why Pakistan went for the US alliance to save itself from hindus.

The problem is Pakistanis even today fail to recognize the magnitude of hindu hatred for Pakistan and muslmans.

Now anyone who comes up with this BS of pyar milta hai or says Pakistan was just a british ploy, declare them murtad or at least strip them off any human decency.

 

[MayaBazar]

"Both sides" is a tired old argument.

I just have a question - what did I say that bothers you so much?

I have only thanked the Pakistanis for their kind words on our plight. I would thank you as well if you had expressed the same. But sadly, you cannot bring yourself to say anything on our behalf.

Why doesn't it occur to you and all your brethren - we would never look elsewhere if we had got justice in our own country. We are not asking for anything more than justice - punish those who wreak havoc on us.

No. I do not have any issues at all. Everyone is entitled to their opinion based on their experiences in life. Personally if you have any grievances, I can surely try to help as I come from a bureaucratic family.

I was only highlighting the consequences of your actions which I am sure you are very well aware of.

 

[xeuss]

No. I do not have any issues at all. Everyone is entitled to their opinion based on their experiences in life. Personally if you have any grievances, I can surely try to help as I come from a bureaucratic family.

I was only highlighting the consequences of your actions which I am sure you are very well aware of.

Would you care to clarify the "consequences of my actions"?

 

[Nilgiri]

Well you have had more than several opportunities to speak on our behalf and drown out the voices of those that you detest, who speak on our behalf.

Yes yes you are some great arbiter for all of this. You have obviously read the full volume of appropriate discourse on this forum and fully accounted for everyone's personal weariness or continued indulgence at whatever topic holds your attention the most in whichever way its manifested in your conscious.

Not to mention what the relevance of a forum even is in the first place.

If there is further effort to be made by anyone feeling weary about it....simply they can choose a time, place and method for it themselves.

If others want to jibber-jabber the same one line blab for back pats and fist pumps from same gangs and coteries that form in these places, thats also up to them.

But who are you exactly to pass conclusive judgement this early on anyone here as to who have and haven't had several opportunities to speak on some behalf the way you shape and dictate it to begin with?

But your Saravana Brahmin upbringing will probably never allow you to do that.

Ah upbringings.... maybe I should assert how your upbringing was on the basis of someone like Mohammed Atta who shared same faith?

Keep walking down that slope buddy....feigning balance while you slip. You only prove my point the more you do.

You will instead just tell us how we should live and die and how we should speak.

Yes I somehow am telling you all that....by saying "please continue as you wish...and learn what lessons you learn from it in due course".

Sounds plenty intrusive and dictatorial.

Or are you personally reading into some perceived intent of mine here?...which strangely or not so strangely is a sudden no-no when concerning others who's even blatant intent get a free pass.

Subjective tribalism is warm. I understand and empathise...for its cold out in the objective neutrality.

 

[xeuss]

Yes yes you are some great arbiter for all of this. You have obviously read the full volume of appropriate discourse on this forum and fully accounted for everyone's personal weariness or continued indulgence at whatever topic holds your attention the most in whichever way its manifested in your conscious.

Not to mention what the relevance of a forum even is in the first place.

If there is further effort to be made by anyone feeling weary about it....simply they can choose a time, place and method for it themselves.

If others want to jibber-jabber the same one line blab for back pats and fist pumps from same gangs and coteries that form in these places, thats also up to them.

But who are you exactly to pass conclusive judgement this early on anyone here as to who have and haven't had several opportunities to speak on some behalf the way you shape and dictate it to begin with?



Ah upbringings.... maybe I should assert how your upbringing was on the basis of someone like Mohammed Atta who shared same faith?

Keep walking down that slope buddy....feigning balance while you slip. You only prove my point the more you do.



Yes I somehow am telling you all that....by saying "please continue as you wish...and learn what lessons you learn from it in due course".

Sounds plenty intrusive and dictatorial.

Or are you personally reading into some perceived intent of mine here?...which strangely or not so strangely is a sudden no-no when concerning others who's even blatant intent get a free pass.

Subjective tribalism is warm. I understand and empathise...for its cold out in the objective neutrality.

You will type up a thousand words to say how and why I am wrong. But cannot bring it to yourself to say a few words of support to Indian Muslims in a thread titled "History of Genocide of Muslims of India".

With friends like these, who needs enemies

 

[MayaBazar]

Would you care to clarify the "consequences of my actions"?

If I want to be taken seriously then I have to earn the trust of my fellow citizens. It is not limited to me alone. It is applicable to each and every one of us on the internet, as it anonymous.

How do you know if I am a Hindu or an Indian? There is nothing that proves my identify. My identify is just a collection of posts that I make here and not the flags that I carry in my user profile.

How do I know if you are a Muslim? You might just be a right wing Hindu posting things to sway the opinion of secular Hindus to hate Muslims or you might be a Pakistani postings to sway the opinion of Indian Hindus to hate Indian Muslims or you may indeed be an Indian Muslim with valid grievances. There is simply no way for me to be certain about your identify as you are not in front of me physically with your identity document.

PDF rules may protect people from judging publicly but the question is how will one gain trust, if at all one cares.

 

[xeuss]

If I want to be taken seriously then I have to earn the trust of my fellow citizens. It is not limited to me alone. It is applicable to each and every one of us on the internet, as it anonymous.

How do you know if I am a Hindu or an Indian? There is nothing that proves my identify. My identify is just a collection of posts that I make here and not the flags that I carry in my user profile.

How do I know if you are a Muslim? You might just be a right wing Hindu posting things to sway the opinion of secular Hindus to hate Muslims or you might be a Pakistani postings to sway the opinion of Indian Hindus to hate Indian Muslims or you may indeed be an Indian Muslim with valid grievances. There is simply no way for me to be certain about your identify as you are not in front of me physically with your identity document.

PDF rules may protect people from judging publicly but the question is how will one gain trust, if at all one cares.

I am not sure what you are trying to say here.

So you aren't going to take me seriously because I appreciated some words from Pakistanis?

 

[MayaBazar]

thread titled "History of Genocide of Muslims of India".

The problem is with the title of this thread itself. This is nothing but a pure propaganda thread to malign India.

There was never a genocide of Muslims in India.

What India has from time to time are communal riots in why people belonging to all faiths have died equally.

I am not sure what you are trying to say here.

So you aren't going to take me seriously because I appreciated some words from Pakistanis?

Read my response above.

So you aren't going to take me seriously because I appreciated some words from Pakistanis?

This is an disingenuous thread opened by a Pakistani to malign India.

The question is :

did you appreciate because your were naive and did not understand the motive of the OP?

or

did you seriously appreciated his effort knowing fully that he was trying to malign India?

 

[Nilgiri]

You will type up a thousand words to say how and why I am wrong. But cannot bring it to yourself to say a few words of support to Indian Muslims in a thread titled "History of Genocide of Muslims of India".

With friends like these, who needs enemies

I see no need, not even one bit to be part of your charade...of who is a friend and who is not a friend....by simply typing a "few words of support" in some specific way you want....that you will then further scuttle away later anyway.

I'd rather make friends with Muslims (Indians or others) outside of here and do and share things of greater and better relevance, consequence and endeavour. It goes for people in general I suppose. If the forum helps with that (and it has), I am thankful for it that way....don't really care for its other time-pass activities.

This place is only to let off some steam for me as I want (and maybe see what some knowledgeable friends are up to), rather than indulge in more emotionally-driven identity politics that is out there in the world plenty.

If this place can somehow change all that (to actually retain and sustain my interest on it now) "out there", it bears proving first. But its futile place for it....it can't and it won't. I let it atrophy where it needs to atrophy.

 

[Thamizh Puli]

Sadly, you only count as a loyal Indian when you are validated as such by Hindus. If you dare speak as though you have a right over your own destiny in your own land, you will be regarded as an upstart (at best). This is because you are a "guest" to the nation state of India. Herein lies the true nature of Indian "secularism".

Any Indian is more than welcome to correct my psychometric analysis if they so wish.

you are wrong. so there you stand corrected.

 

[xeuss]

The problem is with the title of this thread itself. This is nothing but a pure propaganda thread to malign India.

There was never a genocide of Muslims in India.

What India has from time to time are communal riots in why people belonging to all faiths have died equally.

So another of those "both sides" argument.

I would be fine with even you stating this (all of the statement), instead of questioning my credentials as well us those who choose to speak on our behalf.

Anyway, you object to the title of this thread. Fine. But do you disagree that any of the events listed were anything other than pogroms where Muslims were singled out and killed? Was any justice provided to the victims?

You can choose to turn a blind eye to these, because ultimately, we are the "others" in your society.

 

[Naofumi]

when Pakistan cane into being the total population of Muslims in whole Indian subcontinent was 92 million .. today Pakistan’s population alone is 220 Million .. (excluding then East Pakistan) .. it today’s Pakistan can feed 220 Million people it was not difficult to house 90 odd Muslims in East and West Pakistan or evening only in west Pakistan .. you declined Hijrat once .. you are Muhajir and damned forever .. you rejected Pakistan once .. you are rejected in your own country forever .. period!!!

Most of the Muslims live in Ghettoes in India where they don’t have any facilities .. from electricity to education .. they are already alienated .. they are already the poorest of the communities of India .. what economic benefit you are talking about?

Bwahahahahahahahahaha, there's something called a brain which you clearly lack. Resources grow with the pace of population, not with a quantum jump. Also, your national fertility rate is even greater than the most highest and backward of communities in India and was even greater than in past, what would you have done? Stop having babies to make space for us?
Secondly, Ghetto don't have electricity? Go and google what a ghetto means.

 

[xeuss]

I see no need, not even one bit to be part of your charade...of who is a friend and who is not a friend....by simply typing a "few words of support" in some specific way you want....that you will then further scuttle away later anyway.

I'd rather make friends with Muslims (Indians or others) outside of here and do and share things of greater and better relevance, consequence and endeavour. It goes for people in general I suppose. If the forum helps with that (and it has), I am thankful for it that way....don't really care for its other time-pass activities.

This place is only to let off some steam for me as I want (and maybe see what some knowledgeable friends are up to), rather than indulge in more emotionally-driven identity politics that is out there in the world plenty.

If this place can somehow change all that (to actually retain and sustain my interest on it now) "out there", it bears proving first. But its futile place for it....it can't and it won't. I let it atrophy where it needs to atrophy.

So if this is just "letting off steam" for you. then why are you taking all the time in the world to criticize me, my actions, and wax endless eloquence about who should I get support from or not? How is that letting off steam? Why am I the object of your "letting off steam"? Get a girl if you want to let off steam for crying out loud.

The fact of the matter is, you cannot get yourself to even, offer some words of support. Even if those words are just to "let off steam"?