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UAE interested in installing oil refinery in Pakistan: Qureshi

Local refineries are crying foul over cheaper LNG imports: https://www.dawn.com/news/1441674/govt-assures-local-producers-of-regulating-lpg-imports . Is there even a business case for more refineries if imported refined products are cheaper? We should let the Arabs specialize in this business and simply import what we need. We can do other things with our limited capital.

Wishful thinking... Stats don't back that claim.

Lots of developed countries like the UK have stated that ICE cars will be banned in a few decades time. After that all new cars will have to be hybrids or EVs. This is the way the world is moving and Pakistanis will have get with the program. Our policies are set in Washington DC, Tokyo and London after all. They enforce them as conditions for loans and market access. Besides it is in our interest too. We are already suffering from climate change.
 
Good news, but until the work does not start from KSA & the deal is not sealed with UAE I won’t be happy.
 
tow mega oil refinery projects were planned during Musharaf era with the initial planning of Gawadar city, If I am not wrong UAE was to establish oil refinery in Hub, Balochistan.

Yes, it's the same one at Khalifa Point (near Hub). It used to be called Khalifa Coastal Refinery (in Musharraf's days) and was re-branded as PARCO Coastal Refinery (last year). Abu Dhabi owned financial company (IPIC) was the reason behind it's delay since 2007. UAE seems to dangle this for our every new government, who doesn't fail to fall for it. IMO we should stick with KSA.

Question: Why are we planning so many refineries? KPK government is planning to install two refineries (Falcon Oil, 100k bpd and recently licensed Khyber Refinery, 20k bpd) and are planning to increase provincial refining capacity to 200k bpd eventually (they have another refinery planned with Russians & KPOGCL ~20k bpd, but was not issued a construction license yet).

So, now we have;
1. KSA (Gwader Refinery) ~ 500k bpd (Planned) - Balochistan
2. UAE (Cosatal Refinery) ~ 250k bpd (Planned) - Balochistan
3. Khybery Refinery (Pakistan's private investor & UAE based US consortium, construction license awarded 2018) - KPK
4. Falcon Oil ~100k bpd (Pakistan's private investor and Chinese group, construction license awarded 2017) - KPK
5. KPOGCL & Russian consortium (Kohat Refinery) ~20k bpd (Planned, conducting feasibility) - KPK

Are these not too many for our requirements? For these to work, IK hopefully can convince China to import from these refineries and invest actively in Gwader - Kashgar rail and pipeline links, in his upcoming visit.
 
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who is going to pay for the oil ?


There is plenty of oil and gas available and the infrastructure is already in place.

Peak oil has been debunked.


For EVs the bigger concern is regarding cancer risks of having to sit on a giant Electro Magnetic Field (EMF) all day.

Lots of developed countries like the UK have stated that ICE cars will be banned in a few decades time.


I'll believe it when I see it.

Hybrid and electric cars may be cancer-causing as they emit extremely low frequency (ELF) electromagnetic fields (EMF). Recent studies of the EMF emitted by these automobiles have claimed either that they pose a cancer risk for the vehicles' occupants or that they are safe.
 
How many oil refineries do we need :what: unless it will be either the Saudis or UAE?

The Saudi one is supposed to be one of the largest in the world. Surely that would be enough?
we import half of refined oil. We need atlesst 2 immediately ..Pakistan doesnt even have A SINGLE MODERN refineries ..all are scrapped second gand junk.which produxes old grade fuel..a tax was placed to build a new refinery for 10 years but PMLN ate the money for budget support

Yes, it's the same one at Khalifa Point (near Hub). It used to be called Khalifa Coastal Refinery (in Musharraf's days) and was re-branded as PARCO Coastal Refinery (last year). Abu Dhabi owned financial company (IPIC) was the reason behind it's delay since 2007. UAE seems to dangle this for our every new government, who doesn't fail to fall for it. IMO we should stick with KSA.

Question: Why are we planning so many refineries? KPK government is planning to install two refineries (Falcon Oil, 100k bpd and recently licensed Khyber Refinery, 20k bpd) and are planning to increase provincial refining capacity to 200k bpd eventually (they have another refinery planned with Russians & KPOGCL ~20k bpd, but was not issued a construction license yet).

So, now we have;
1. KSA (Gwader Refinery) ~ 500k bpd (Planned) - Balochistan
2. UAE (Cosatal Refinery) ~ 250k bpd (Planned) - Balochistan
3. Khybery Refinery (Pakistan's private investor & UAE based US consortium, construction license awarded 2018) - KPK
4. Falcon Oil ~100k bpd (Pakistan's private investor and Chinese group, construction license awarded 2017) - KPK
5. KPOGCL & Russian consortium (Kohat Refinery) ~20k bpd (Planned, conducting feasibility) - KPK

Are these not too many for our requirements? For these to work, IK hopefully can convince China to import from these refineries and invest actively in Gwader - Kashgar rail and pipeline links, in his upcoming visit.
Smaller older design refineries with limited cracking ability should not be given license unless they can handle there own products sale
 
There is plenty of oil and gas available and the infrastructure is already in place.

Peak oil has been debunked.


For EVs the bigger concern is regarding cancer risks of having to sit on a giant Electro Magnetic Field (EMF) all day.




I'll believe it when I see it.

Hybrid and electric cars may be cancer-causing as they emit extremely low frequency (ELF) electromagnetic fields (EMF). Recent studies of the EMF emitted by these automobiles have claimed either that they pose a cancer risk for the vehicles' occupants or that they are safe.

i will take electric vehicles any day over IC powered vehicles
 
i will take electric vehicles any day over IC powered vehicles


Sure. However... ICE isn't going away anytime soon. I predict another 30 years of ICE market domination.
 
What about the desanilation plant in Karachi? There was a talk about that project with UAE.

What about? May be you should order your food as well from UAE!

Good news, but until the work does not start from KSA & the deal is not sealed with UAE I won’t be happy.

DEAL!
What is on offer from Pakistan? Shouldn't we know, what is our pitch in the deal?
 
Yes, it's the same one at Khalifa Point (near Hub). It used to be called Khalifa Coastal Refinery (in Musharraf's days) and was re-branded as PARCO Coastal Refinery (last year). Abu Dhabi owned financial company (IPIC) was the reason behind it's delay since 2007. UAE seems to dangle this for our every new government, who doesn't fail to fall for it. IMO we should stick with KSA.

Question: Why are we planning so many refineries? KPK government is planning to install two refineries (Falcon Oil, 100k bpd and recently licensed Khyber Refinery, 20k bpd) and are planning to increase provincial refining capacity to 200k bpd eventually (they have another refinery planned with Russians & KPOGCL ~20k bpd, but was not issued a construction license yet).

So, now we have;
1. KSA (Gwader Refinery) ~ 500k bpd (Planned) - Balochistan
2. UAE (Cosatal Refinery) ~ 250k bpd (Planned) - Balochistan
3. Khybery Refinery (Pakistan's private investor & UAE based US consortium, construction license awarded 2018) - KPK
4. Falcon Oil ~100k bpd (Pakistan's private investor and Chinese group, construction license awarded 2017) - KPK
5. KPOGCL & Russian consortium (Kohat Refinery) ~20k bpd (Planned, conducting feasibility) - KPK

Are these not too many for our requirements? For these to work, IK hopefully can convince China to import from these refineries and invest actively in Gwader - Kashgar rail and pipeline links, in his upcoming visit.

I'm been hearing about UAE and SA refinery for years now. Hopefully they finally come with investment this time.
 
Sure. However... ICE isn't going away anytime soon. I predict another 30 years of ICE market domination.

it looks like it - not to mention electric vehicles still means electric energy has to be generated
 
UAE has no oil it has gas and none petro economy
 
How will exporting crude and refining it in pakistan be profitable to uae n saudia than exporting refined high end products? I think all these refinery projects are only limited to mou n making each other happy.
@niaz can expain it better.

Or may be saufia n uae want pakistan dependent on them.
 
UAE has no oil it has gas and none petro economy
UAE has proven reserves of 97 billion bbl. They produce 3 million bbl/day, and import 62% of it. Their own consumption is around 800k bbl/day.

https://www.opec.org/opec_web/en/about_us/170.htm

How will exporting crude and refining it in pakistan be profitable to uae n saudia than exporting refined high end products? I think all these refinery projects are only limited to mou n making each other happy.
@niaz can expain it better.

Or may be saufia n uae want pakistan dependent on them.

UAE already has a functional model in terms of PARCO Mid Country Refinery. This, PARCO Coastal Refinery, will likely be modeled on the same - in terms of investments, profit sharing and crude oil (Murban and Das) supply chain.

we import half of refined oil. We need atlesst 2 immediately ..Pakistan doesnt even have A SINGLE MODERN refineries ..all are scrapped second gand junk.which produxes old grade fuel..a tax was placed to build a new refinery for 10 years but PMLN ate the money for budget support

Smaller older design refineries with limited cracking ability should not be given license unless they can handle there own products sale

Thanks for the reply, appreciate it. It makes sense not to give out licenses but they are. These ~20kbpd refineries do have plans to expand to ~40 and ~60kbpd eventually. Byco when established, had humble beginnings (~15-18 kbpd), today it has the largest capacity in Pakistan.

Our consumption, as of Dec 31, 2017 was ~600k bpd, this should have incorporated our efficiency and yield challenges.

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We have ~400 kbpd refining capacity which results in an imbalance of ~200 kbpd equivalent imports. Now, KPK is planning to increase its capacity by ~200 kbpd [divided among its 3 new refineries, Falcon ~100 kbpd, Khyber ~20 kbpd (eventually planned to be increased to ~40k), Karak (KPOGDCL refinery) ~20 kbpd (eventually to be increased to 60k)]. With KSA & UAE, GOP is planning a combined increase of ~950k bpd, and a total of ~1.350 mmbpd refining capacity, say in next 10 years. Regardless of whether we can achieve it or not, we have an intent, this intent should have some basis. This particular refinery (Coastal) when was planned in 2007, was intended to cater our needs 5-10 years down the line, that is today and would have catered to our refining woes and that ~200k bpd equivalents effectively.

Our, oil demand should be going down, we are actively converting our power generation to gas fired plants, this is one of the largest areas for our consumption. So, where are we expecting increase in our demand over next 10 years, and that too from ~600k to 1.35 mmbpd, and how are we planning to support it? Our oil production is at around ~84k bpd and is expected to decline.

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So, we will be relying on foreign crude imports of about ~1.25 mmbpd or 456.25 mmbbl/year. Having current prices of $76.47 for Arab Light locked, we are looking at a price tag of ~$34.8 Billion/year. This doesn't look like a very well thought out plan, or we are missing a very important variable in the equation. Maybe we are not the only intended target for the products, and the GOP has envisaged another player to pick some of that ~34.8B cheque. They did offer an ROI of 16% to KSA, that is atleast 6% more of the going rate, some may even say twice - our economy alone will not be able to support this. That's why I said IK needs to convince China in investing on rail and pipeline links between Gwader and Kashgar in his upcoming visit, and focus on China's energy security paradigm with Pakistan being in central and pivotal role.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1436385

"Sources told Dawn Riyadh was expected to be allocated a large piece of land at Gwadar for setting up a 500,000 barrels per day (BPD) refinery worth over $9 billion besides an oil storage facility for 2-3 million tonnes as part of its plan to secure its export supplies. They said Pakistan promised 16 per cent return on investment in the oil refinery."
 
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Base on the current situation, 250K bbl per day UAE refinery at Khalifa point, would eliminate dependence on product imports. Since this refinery would also have a share of the Pakistani public; in addition to providing job opportunities, GOP will save some foreign exchange.

I am not sure how beneficial Saudi Gwadar refinery would be for the Pakistan economy. UAE refinery would suffice for the time being and once the demand increases, only then some product from the Gwadar refinery could be consumed in Pakistan. However, I don't believe it is for the Chinses Xinjiang, at least not in the foreseeable future.

Its location is quite far from the consumption centres of the country and transportation by road is costly. Arguably, it would provide jobs to Pakistanis but the benefits of an export refinery to the country’s economy are always limited. One reality, however, cannot be denied. Once the refinery has been built; it is physically in Pakistan and being wholly owned by the Saudi’s and away from the main cities; it is quite possible that in case of hostilities, facilities at Gwadar may escape bombardment. At the end of the day, benefits, no matter how insignificant, should be welcome.

Finally, I agree with Honourable Kabira that the talk has been going for a long time without anything happening. I would also only believe it if & when the construction actually starts.
 
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