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Zulfiquar Class Frigate vs Ada Class Corvette

If these Ada are for costal defense then it os a waste of money. You dont need ships with SAMs for costal defense. The way to do this is by FAC amd Maritime defense forces like coast guard . You are building Azmat class followed by Type 022 FAC which are far better suited to coastal and litoral defense. They carry as much Antiship fire power and with their CIWS can repel attacks of 2-3 missiles each, let alone of operating in groups. They are cheaper and smaller and require less manpower. Additionally, blockade breaking is the realm of the 11 subs the PN will be fielding and can be as well accomplished with larger FAC as it could with corvettes. The Ada and F22p are meant for guarding sea lanes from opposing navies to keep supply chains for things like oil, running. For a force like the PN, these ships will need to operate independently of each other and will likely not opperate in Battle Groups. If they do, it will be 1 or 2 ships. As such they need to have high survivability against saturation style attacks. The Milgem block 1 does NOT have that capacity nor does the F-22P. PN needs to field a ship that can carry a moderate to large number (32 - 96+) of medium ranged missiles (40-60km), in VLS fashion. These need to be backed by 2 tiers of ciws (missiles like RAM or FL-3000N AND gun based like type 730). It should work with Turkey, China and South Africa to get systems in place for a ship that is tailor made for their use. ~3200-3500 would be ideal. It should be focused on net centric capabilities such that a few ships spread out could watch and observe the entire Arabian Sea (ie 250km radius for tracking like Smart S mk ii) with strong c4i capabilities. It will cost a bit but a HPF, C28A or even type 054A based frigate with Turkish systems and possible chinese/turkish/south african or even European (CAMM) weapons. Avoid using US systems and weapond like ESSM OR RAM as u will face a crunch in any escalation with India.
 
First of all, I've seen many people involved in this debate but one of the most important things that members insist on is that by simply putting a VLS tube and a medium ranged SAM turns a Corvette into anything they wish to have.

Regardless how similiar they seem, it's like comparing apples to oranges. Probably F-22P is designed as a multirole ship. If you want to compare it, try Barbaros-class (MEKO-200 Track IIA) frigates. Ada class is specifically designed for the needs of the Turkish Navy (DZKK). Ada is specialized on a littoral environment with a main focus on Anti Submarine Warfare. From my experiences on F-511 TCG Heybeliada, this ship is highly agile compared to it's competitors and very effective detecting submarines in the deeps of the Mediterranean when used in a combination with S-70B Seahawks and CN-235MPA.

But don't forget that one Ada class corvette had taken a tour of Africa from all the way from Casablanca to Suez. Plus, it also successfully evacuated and hosted many Turkish nationals from the war thorn Yemen. So if the user wishes to push it's limits, it already has been done. It's just how you define the ship's role in your Navy's doctrine.

I don't know the Zulfikar class frigate in details but I believe so far in the areas below, Ada is respectively expected to perform better than F-22P. But don't forget that comparing these two are a mistake from the very beginning.

Radar.. Ada comes with a Thales SMART-S Mk2 and the Aselsan made electronic warfare suite Ares-2N

Anti-ship missile choice. The C-802 has a traditional flight path on it's own which I can't draw that up here in mobile. But it's not as hard as it used to be to counter missiles with similar flight path and speed (close to mach 1)

Ada comes with RGM-84L Block II Harpoon. Besides it's impressive updates on software and guidance, due to the end product's status and specs it is by far the most suitable and effective antiship missile available on use at littoral waters and near the coast which is the area of operations for Ada. In addition to that, Block II features land attack capability. (Example: Imagine Turkish Type-209/1400 submarines are firing Harpoon missiles from subsurface to destroy Greek SAMs in Rhodes or Syrian SAM installations near the coast. But of course it will require cooperative engagement capability, namely eyes from above. But with that range your choice of targets will be limited. I am not sure if the missile is available for Pakistan but probably you could opt for Atmaca missile. Lets see.

As for the ship defense systems and SAMs, I don't have credible information on Pakistani systems on use so I pass them.
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As for the ship defense systems and SAMs, I don't have credible information on Pakistani systems on use so I pass them.
Well, there is data on R440 Crotale, from which FM80/FM90 are developments and there is info on the latter as well.
You know there is a difference in that F22P has 2 big 30mm gatlings to back up its HQ7 SAM (8 ready rounds, 15km). RAM is at present shorter ranged (9km unless block 2) but has more ready missiles (21).
 
First of all, I've seen many people involved in this debate but one of the most important things that members insist on is that by simply putting a VLS tube and a medium ranged SAM turns a Corvette into anything they wish to have.

Regardless how similiar they seem, it's like comparing apples to oranges. Probably F-22P is designed as a multirole ship. If you want to compare it, try Barbaros-class (MEKO-200 Track IIA) frigates. Ada class is specifically designed for the needs of the Turkish Navy (DZKK). Ada is specialized on a littoral environment with a main focus on Anti Submarine Warfare. From my experiences on F-511 TCG Heybeliada, this ship is highly agile compared to it's competitors and very effective detecting submarines in the deeps of the Mediterranean when used in a combination with S-70B Seahawks and CN-235MPA.

But don't forget that one Ada class corvette had taken a tour of Africa from all the way from Casablanca to Suez. Plus, it also successfully evacuated and hosted many Turkish nationals from the war thorn Yemen. So if the user wishes to push it's limits, it already has been done. It's just how you define the ship's role in your Navy's doctrine.

I don't know the Zulfikar class frigate in details but I believe so far in the areas below, Ada is respectively expected to perform better than F-22P. But don't forget that comparing these two are a mistake from the very beginning.

Radar.. Ada comes with a Thales SMART-S Mk2 and the Aselsan made electronic warfare suite Ares-2N

Anti-ship missile choice. The C-802 has a traditional flight path on it's own which I can't draw that up here in mobile. But it's not as hard as it used to be to counter missiles with similar flight path and speed (close to mach 1)

Ada comes with RGM-84L Block II Harpoon. Besides it's impressive updates on software and guidance, due to the end product's status and specs it is by far the most suitable and effective antiship missile available on use at littoral waters and near the coast which is the area of operations for Ada. In addition to that, Block II features land attack capability. (Example: Imagine Turkish Type-209/1400 submarines are firing Harpoon missiles from subsurface to destroy Greek SAMs in Rhodes or Syrian SAM installations near the coast. But of course it will require cooperative engagement capability, namely eyes from above. But with that range your choice of targets will be limited. I am not sure if the missile is available for Pakistan but probably you could opt for Atmaca missile. Lets see.

As for the ship defense systems and SAMs, I don't have credible information on Pakistani systems on use so I pass them.

I think the reason that members here are fixated on VLS and medium range sams is because there is a glaring hole in the PN with respect to anti-air defense. That is the reason they arent satisfied with the current setup of the F-22P or Milgem block I. This hole doesnt really exist in the Turkish Navy with the 8 G-class Frigates (40 SM-1MR and 32 ESSM), and 4 Barboros Class Frigates (16 ESSM). Additionally, PN's primary adversary is IN which is among the more power navy's of the world, and has no major ally to help protect it (PLAN is not obligated to defend it). Turkey's main adversary would likely be the Greek Navy which is more or less equal in strength (if not slightly weaker) to the Turkish navy. And for any other non-NATO opponents, NATO is obligated to protect Turkey in the case of any aggression.

For PN, it has limited resources so for it to develop a true surface fleet capable of defending it, it must field multipurpose well rounded vessels capable of surviving against saturation style attacks from the PN. A 16 Cell VLS on a stealthy light-frigate, equipped with medium range SAMs and backed by 24 cell Short range SAMs (like RAM or FL-3000N) would be a huge step in that direction. It would be especially beneficial if PN could get quad-packable Medium range SAM in that VLS (like CAMM). That would give it 64 Medium Range SAMs and 24 Short Range SAMs. That type vessel would likely be able to survive saturation attacks in a cost effective manner.
 
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An interesting article about the new Chinese vsl going on the 052d which will likely find its way onto the other plan ships. Of note it mentions the likelihood of future quad packed missiles in this system like variants of the dk10 50km active homing missile (based on sd10a). This would be huge for pn whether they go for Ada or "F-23p"
http://plarealtalk.com/2015/12/11/chinese-navy-vls/


Chinese Navy VLS


Background:
The Chinese Navy Vertical Launch System (CN VLS) is a new type of universal, modular VLS capable of carrying and launching multiple types of missiles, similar to the US Navy’s Mk-41. However the CN VLS is also capable of launching missiles in a cold launch and hot launch method.

A modular VLS for the Chinese Navy has long been expected by the Chinese military watching community, however the first VLS type onboard a Chinese ship was a cold launched, space inefficient, circular VLS aboard the052C destroyer first launched in 2004, and was only capable of firing the HHQ-9 LR SAM. The second VLS type was a hot launch VLS very similar in arrangement to the US Mk-41 and European SYLVER, which equipped the 054A class frigate and is capable of firing both HHQ-16 SAMs and VL ASROC type weapons. However neither of these two VLS was truly multirole like the Mk-41.


CN VLS aboard the 052D

A standard 8 cell module of the Mk-41 VLS

A pair of 8 cell modules of the SYLVER VLS
But by the late 2000s, credible rumours of a new 052D class destroyer began to emerge, with a consistent rumour being that the ship would be equipped with a new universal VLS to be the Chinese Navy’s new generation multirole VLS.


052D class was the first Chinese ship to use the new multirole CN VLS
This was confirmed in spectacular fashion in late 2012, when the first 052D was launched, revealing its VLS in clear detail. Furthermore, 052D’s launch was accompanied by the “leak” of a document for a Guojia Junyong Biaozhun (National Military Standard, similar to MIL-STD for western military forces), revealed many details of a new universal VLS that could only logically be attributed to the 052D’s new VLS.

GJB 5860-2006:
The GJB document provided a wealth of reliable information regarding the CN VLS’ dimensions and function.
-VLS canister diameter is 0.85m (which is larger than the US Navy’s new Mk-57 VLS, which only has a diameter of 0.71m, and further larger than the Mk-41 VLS, which has a diameter of 0.635m)
-VLS canisters come in three lengths, 9 meters, 7 meters, and 3.3 meters (which is similar to the strike length, tactical length and self defence length canisters for the Mk-41 VLS)
-The VLS is capable of quad-packing missiles, as well as firing surface to air missiles, cruise missiles, anti ship missiles, and anti submarine missiles
-The VLS is capable of cold launching missiles, whereby a missile is ejected (such as via compressed gas) out of its canister, and its engine only ignites once it is in the air well clear of the ship and the VLS.
-The VLS is capable of hot launching missiles, but each canister has its own “concentric” vent for missile exhausts. The CN VLS lacks a central vent that all eight VLS canisters are connected to (as in the Mk-41), but instead a vent is present (and likely removable) within each canister intended for hot launch.


A page of the GJB document which provided a substantial amount of information regarding the new VLS
Cold launch vs Hot launch:
Cold launch of missiles helps to reduce damage incurred to the VLS itself during the launch process. A cold launch method also removes a fundamental limitation to the size of a missile that can be launched, where a larger missile produces a larger fiery exhaust, but that exhaust must be safely vented through a hot launch method. A cold launch method removes the need for a vent as the missile only ignites when it is well clear of the ship, thus potentially allowing for much larger missiles to be safely launched.
However, cold launch may also present some additional mechanical risks, such as if a missile’s engine does not ignite after ejection, whereupon it would inevitably fall back down, potentially back onto the ship it was ejected from. The risk of this occurring is debatable however, as Russian, Chinese, and even some western missile systems are now fielding cold launch methods in a variety of highly demanding roles.
Another minor disadvantage of cold launch missiles is that they have slower engagement time compared to a hot launch missile whose engine directly ignites from inside the VLS.


Cold launch of an HHQ-9 from an 052C, note the missile’s engine only igniting in mid air after it has been ejected well clear of the ship

Hot launch from a Mk-41 VLS, note the central vent which helps to safely redirect the missile exhaust in a single “wall” in the middle of the VLS module
Hot launch VLS provides a missile with faster response time and more immediate kinetic energy from launch, thus potentially may be more useful for medium and short range SAMs where seconds are immensely important for intercepting an incoming missile. Hot launch VLS may also be more reliable than older cold launch VLS, as there is no risk for a missile failing to ignite in mid air and falling back down as in cold launch; if a missile fails to ignite in hot launch, it simply remains within the canister.
However, hot launch VLS are also heavier and more complicated and subjected to greater temperatures and potential damage, adding cost and reducing lifespan of the VLS module compared to a cold launch VLS.


Cutaway diagram indicating the standard set up of a hot launch VLS with central vent
By combining the potential for cold launch and hot launch in a single VLS, the CN VLS will provide greater flexibility and allow the Chinese Navy to more appropriately select differing launch methods for differing missiles in the most efficient way.

In terms of footprint, a standard eight cell CN VLS module is somewhat larger than an equivalent Mk-41 eight cell module, however, each canister of a CN VLS is also substantially larger than a canister of a Mk-41 canister, and that means a CN VLS could potentially carry and launch much larger missiles than a Mk-41. Indeed if the CN VLS was required to take advantage of its immense diameter, it could launch a missile via the cold launch method, which removes any need for internal concentric vents.
Ultimately all else being equal, a larger missile could translate into a greater payload, greater range, more powerful guidance and ECCM, among other important capabilities.

Loadouts:
The multirole nature of the CN VLS will allow it to carry a variety of potential current and future missiles, among a wide variety of categories.

Surface to Air Missiles: the long range HHQ-9 SAM and future variants will likely be the predominant LR SAM of the CN VLS (similar to the Standard family for the Mk-41 VLS); HHQ-16 may also be adapted to be fired from the CN VLS, however it is doubtful if future variants will be developed given the potential for quad packed medium range SAMs could replace it; quad packed SAMs such as a variant of the DK-10 SAM will likely be developed and integrated to become the Chinese Navy’s equivalent to the Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile.

The CN VLS is likely to field a quad packable SAM with medium range, such as a derivative of the DK-10


Anti Ship Missiles: the Chinese Navy currently fields a number of AShMs which could potentially be integrated into the new CN VLS, including new variants of the legacy YJ-82, or the YJ-62 which is similar to the Tomahawk Anti Ship Missile. However, at this stage the only AShM that is expected to be integrated with the CN VLS is the YJ-18 AShM, which is thought to be a Chinese equivalent to the Russian 3M-54 (a subsonic AShM in cruise phase with a supersonic terminal phase). Rumours have also suggested a possible “YJ-100” which would be an anti shipping variant of the CJ-10/DF-10 LACM and may thus have substantial powered range in excess of 1,500km, but doubts remain. The large diameter of the CN VLS means it may also accommodate future AShMs of large size, such as hypersonic AShMs.


A suspected test launch of a YJ-18 from test ship 891 equipped with the new CN VLS. Note the hot launch of the missile, but with exhaust being vented “around” the missile via its concentric vent arrangement, different to the central venting method of other hot launch VLS like Mk-41 and SYLVER
Land Attack Cruise Missiles: the CN VLS is expected to carry an LACM similar to the Tomahawk Land Attack Missile often launched from the Mk-41 VLS. The most likely contender within the immediate future is a vertically launched variant of the CJ-10/DF-10 LACM, which exists in air launched and ground launched variants. Future LACMs will likely also be integrated into the CN VLS as they are developed.


The CN VLS will likely be integrated with a vertically launched variant of the CJ-10/DF-10 land attack cruise missile
Anti Submarine Warfare Missiles: the CN VLS is expected to accommodate a vertically launched ASROC type weapon, a capability already present on the 054A’s VLS. It is likely that initially the CN VLS will be capable of launching the same type of VL ASROC as the 054A (possibly called Yu-8), but a larger diameter and heavier weapon may be developed to take advantage of the CN VLS’s larger diameter.

Ballistic Missile Defence and Anti Satellite Missiles: while the Chinese military has yet to receive any BMD or ASAT weapons in service, it has conducted a variety of tests and various missiles are known to be under development with BMD and potential low orbit ASAT roles, which may fit inside the dimensions of the CN VLS. However, it may take a number of years until such a weapon emerges, and more time after that for such a weapon to even be integrated into the CN VLS. But such a possibility should not be excluded.

Applications:
The first Chinese Navy ship to receive the CN VLS is the 052D class destroyer. It is expected that all new major surface combatant classes which follow the 052D will also be equipped with the CN VLS. The 055 class large destroyer will almost certainly carry the CN VLS, likely in large numbers between 112-128 cells. A successor frigate to the current 054A will also likely carry the CN VLS. Other ships such as aircraft carriers, amphibious assault ships, down to future corvettes, may also carry small numbers of CN VLS for self defense roles to supplement CIWS. Export frigate and destroyer designs offered by China will also likely include the CN VLS with export cleared munitions as well.


The CN VLS will equip many future Chinese surface combatants, such as the upcoming 055 class large destroyer


Existing ships with older launch systems and older VLS such as the 052B class, Sovremenny class, 052C class, 051C class and 054A class, may also potentially be refit with the CN VLS via upgrades, but whether the Chinese Navy decides to embark on an expensive upgrade is another matter. Needless to say, refitting such ships with a new, larger VLS would require some meaningful structural changes.

Overall, it is virtually assured that the CN VLS will become the Chinese Navy’s primary offensive missile launching tool, and will be as ubiquitous to the Chinese Navy in the foreseeable decades as the Mk-41 VLS has been and will be for the US Navy. Therefore a careful appreciation of the CN VLS is necessary for any serious watcher of the Chinese Navy.


Posted on December 11, 2015 by rickjoe. This entry was posted in Chinese Navy profile and tagged 052D, 055, Chinese Navy, CN VLS, Mk-41, VLS. Bookmark the permalink.
 
An interesting article about the new Chinese vsl going on the 052d which will likely find its way onto the other plan ships. Of note it mentions the likelihood of future quad packed missiles in this system like variants of the dk10 50km active homing missile (based on sd10a). This would be huge for pn whether they go for Ada or "F-23p"
http://plarealtalk.com/2015/12/11/chinese-navy-vls/


Chinese Navy VLS


Background:
The Chinese Navy Vertical Launch System (CN VLS) is a new type of universal, modular VLS capable of carrying and launching multiple types of missiles, similar to the US Navy’s Mk-41. However the CN VLS is also capable of launching missiles in a cold launch and hot launch method.

A modular VLS for the Chinese Navy has long been expected by the Chinese military watching community, however the first VLS type onboard a Chinese ship was a cold launched, space inefficient, circular VLS aboard the052C destroyer first launched in 2004, and was only capable of firing the HHQ-9 LR SAM. The second VLS type was a hot launch VLS very similar in arrangement to the US Mk-41 and European SYLVER, which equipped the 054A class frigate and is capable of firing both HHQ-16 SAMs and VL ASROC type weapons. However neither of these two VLS was truly multirole like the Mk-41.


CN VLS aboard the 052D

A standard 8 cell module of the Mk-41 VLS

A pair of 8 cell modules of the SYLVER VLS
But by the late 2000s, credible rumours of a new 052D class destroyer began to emerge, with a consistent rumour being that the ship would be equipped with a new universal VLS to be the Chinese Navy’s new generation multirole VLS.


052D class was the first Chinese ship to use the new multirole CN VLS
This was confirmed in spectacular fashion in late 2012, when the first 052D was launched, revealing its VLS in clear detail. Furthermore, 052D’s launch was accompanied by the “leak” of a document for a Guojia Junyong Biaozhun (National Military Standard, similar to MIL-STD for western military forces), revealed many details of a new universal VLS that could only logically be attributed to the 052D’s new VLS.

GJB 5860-2006:
The GJB document provided a wealth of reliable information regarding the CN VLS’ dimensions and function.
-VLS canister diameter is 0.85m (which is larger than the US Navy’s new Mk-57 VLS, which only has a diameter of 0.71m, and further larger than the Mk-41 VLS, which has a diameter of 0.635m)
-VLS canisters come in three lengths, 9 meters, 7 meters, and 3.3 meters (which is similar to the strike length, tactical length and self defence length canisters for the Mk-41 VLS)
-The VLS is capable of quad-packing missiles, as well as firing surface to air missiles, cruise missiles, anti ship missiles, and anti submarine missiles
-The VLS is capable of cold launching missiles, whereby a missile is ejected (such as via compressed gas) out of its canister, and its engine only ignites once it is in the air well clear of the ship and the VLS.
-The VLS is capable of hot launching missiles, but each canister has its own “concentric” vent for missile exhausts. The CN VLS lacks a central vent that all eight VLS canisters are connected to (as in the Mk-41), but instead a vent is present (and likely removable) within each canister intended for hot launch.


A page of the GJB document which provided a substantial amount of information regarding the new VLS
Cold launch vs Hot launch:
Cold launch of missiles helps to reduce damage incurred to the VLS itself during the launch process. A cold launch method also removes a fundamental limitation to the size of a missile that can be launched, where a larger missile produces a larger fiery exhaust, but that exhaust must be safely vented through a hot launch method. A cold launch method removes the need for a vent as the missile only ignites when it is well clear of the ship, thus potentially allowing for much larger missiles to be safely launched.
However, cold launch may also present some additional mechanical risks, such as if a missile’s engine does not ignite after ejection, whereupon it would inevitably fall back down, potentially back onto the ship it was ejected from. The risk of this occurring is debatable however, as Russian, Chinese, and even some western missile systems are now fielding cold launch methods in a variety of highly demanding roles.
Another minor disadvantage of cold launch missiles is that they have slower engagement time compared to a hot launch missile whose engine directly ignites from inside the VLS.


Cold launch of an HHQ-9 from an 052C, note the missile’s engine only igniting in mid air after it has been ejected well clear of the ship

Hot launch from a Mk-41 VLS, note the central vent which helps to safely redirect the missile exhaust in a single “wall” in the middle of the VLS module
Hot launch VLS provides a missile with faster response time and more immediate kinetic energy from launch, thus potentially may be more useful for medium and short range SAMs where seconds are immensely important for intercepting an incoming missile. Hot launch VLS may also be more reliable than older cold launch VLS, as there is no risk for a missile failing to ignite in mid air and falling back down as in cold launch; if a missile fails to ignite in hot launch, it simply remains within the canister.
However, hot launch VLS are also heavier and more complicated and subjected to greater temperatures and potential damage, adding cost and reducing lifespan of the VLS module compared to a cold launch VLS.


Cutaway diagram indicating the standard set up of a hot launch VLS with central vent
By combining the potential for cold launch and hot launch in a single VLS, the CN VLS will provide greater flexibility and allow the Chinese Navy to more appropriately select differing launch methods for differing missiles in the most efficient way.

In terms of footprint, a standard eight cell CN VLS module is somewhat larger than an equivalent Mk-41 eight cell module, however, each canister of a CN VLS is also substantially larger than a canister of a Mk-41 canister, and that means a CN VLS could potentially carry and launch much larger missiles than a Mk-41. Indeed if the CN VLS was required to take advantage of its immense diameter, it could launch a missile via the cold launch method, which removes any need for internal concentric vents.
Ultimately all else being equal, a larger missile could translate into a greater payload, greater range, more powerful guidance and ECCM, among other important capabilities.

Loadouts:
The multirole nature of the CN VLS will allow it to carry a variety of potential current and future missiles, among a wide variety of categories.

Surface to Air Missiles: the long range HHQ-9 SAM and future variants will likely be the predominant LR SAM of the CN VLS (similar to the Standard family for the Mk-41 VLS); HHQ-16 may also be adapted to be fired from the CN VLS, however it is doubtful if future variants will be developed given the potential for quad packed medium range SAMs could replace it; quad packed SAMs such as a variant of the DK-10 SAM will likely be developed and integrated to become the Chinese Navy’s equivalent to the Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile.

The CN VLS is likely to field a quad packable SAM with medium range, such as a derivative of the DK-10


Anti Ship Missiles: the Chinese Navy currently fields a number of AShMs which could potentially be integrated into the new CN VLS, including new variants of the legacy YJ-82, or the YJ-62 which is similar to the Tomahawk Anti Ship Missile. However, at this stage the only AShM that is expected to be integrated with the CN VLS is the YJ-18 AShM, which is thought to be a Chinese equivalent to the Russian 3M-54 (a subsonic AShM in cruise phase with a supersonic terminal phase). Rumours have also suggested a possible “YJ-100” which would be an anti shipping variant of the CJ-10/DF-10 LACM and may thus have substantial powered range in excess of 1,500km, but doubts remain. The large diameter of the CN VLS means it may also accommodate future AShMs of large size, such as hypersonic AShMs.


A suspected test launch of a YJ-18 from test ship 891 equipped with the new CN VLS. Note the hot launch of the missile, but with exhaust being vented “around” the missile via its concentric vent arrangement, different to the central venting method of other hot launch VLS like Mk-41 and SYLVER
Land Attack Cruise Missiles: the CN VLS is expected to carry an LACM similar to the Tomahawk Land Attack Missile often launched from the Mk-41 VLS. The most likely contender within the immediate future is a vertically launched variant of the CJ-10/DF-10 LACM, which exists in air launched and ground launched variants. Future LACMs will likely also be integrated into the CN VLS as they are developed.


The CN VLS will likely be integrated with a vertically launched variant of the CJ-10/DF-10 land attack cruise missile
Anti Submarine Warfare Missiles: the CN VLS is expected to accommodate a vertically launched ASROC type weapon, a capability already present on the 054A’s VLS. It is likely that initially the CN VLS will be capable of launching the same type of VL ASROC as the 054A (possibly called Yu-8), but a larger diameter and heavier weapon may be developed to take advantage of the CN VLS’s larger diameter.

Ballistic Missile Defence and Anti Satellite Missiles: while the Chinese military has yet to receive any BMD or ASAT weapons in service, it has conducted a variety of tests and various missiles are known to be under development with BMD and potential low orbit ASAT roles, which may fit inside the dimensions of the CN VLS. However, it may take a number of years until such a weapon emerges, and more time after that for such a weapon to even be integrated into the CN VLS. But such a possibility should not be excluded.

Applications:
The first Chinese Navy ship to receive the CN VLS is the 052D class destroyer. It is expected that all new major surface combatant classes which follow the 052D will also be equipped with the CN VLS. The 055 class large destroyer will almost certainly carry the CN VLS, likely in large numbers between 112-128 cells. A successor frigate to the current 054A will also likely carry the CN VLS. Other ships such as aircraft carriers, amphibious assault ships, down to future corvettes, may also carry small numbers of CN VLS for self defense roles to supplement CIWS. Export frigate and destroyer designs offered by China will also likely include the CN VLS with export cleared munitions as well.


The CN VLS will equip many future Chinese surface combatants, such as the upcoming 055 class large destroyer


Existing ships with older launch systems and older VLS such as the 052B class, Sovremenny class, 052C class, 051C class and 054A class, may also potentially be refit with the CN VLS via upgrades, but whether the Chinese Navy decides to embark on an expensive upgrade is another matter. Needless to say, refitting such ships with a new, larger VLS would require some meaningful structural changes.

Overall, it is virtually assured that the CN VLS will become the Chinese Navy’s primary offensive missile launching tool, and will be as ubiquitous to the Chinese Navy in the foreseeable decades as the Mk-41 VLS has been and will be for the US Navy. Therefore a careful appreciation of the CN VLS is necessary for any serious watcher of the Chinese Navy.


Posted on December 11, 2015 by rickjoe. This entry was posted in Chinese Navy profile and tagged 052D, 055, Chinese Navy, CN VLS, Mk-41, VLS. Bookmark the permalink.
I hope we see something in regards to DK-10 development, but I wonder if the PLAN is holding out on the PL-15 before developing an ESSM-like system. The DK-10 seems like an export-focused platform first and foremost, but we haven't heard much about since 2014. That aside, it does seem like the CN-VLS is what CSOC has been showing with its export-focused designs (e.g. High Performance Frigate).

Overall, the CN-VLS looks very promising. Imagine using a 3000-ton design (upgraded F-22P or MILGEM-G) and equipping it with enough CN-VLS cells to carry a sufficient number of MR-SAM (and later LR-SAM), LACM, and VL-ASROC.
 
I hope we see something in regards to DK-10 development, but I wonder if the PLAN is holding out on the PL-15 before developing an ESSM-like system. The DK-10 seems like an export-focused platform first and foremost, but we haven't heard much about since 2014. That aside, it does seem like the CN-VLS is what CSOC has been showing with its export-focused designs (e.g. High Performance Frigate).

Overall, the CN-VLS looks very promising. Imagine using a 3000-ton design (upgraded F-22P or MILGEM-G) and equipping it with enough CN-VLS cells to carry a sufficient number of MR-SAM (and later LR-SAM), LACM, and VL-ASROC.

I have been proposing this exact thing based on C28A. You could integrate at least a 24 cell vls onto this ship in place of the fm90. Likely you could get a 32 cell launcher. That will at least give u capacity for 24-32 dk10s which is much better than what pn has. Add a fl3000n launcher for an extra 24 short range sams and the 2 type 730 ciws and u have a decent air defense frigate. Once quad packable missiles are available you can replace them 4 : 1 like UK is doing on the type 45 destroyers (aster 15 replaced by CAMM)
 

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