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YF-23 The World's Only INVISIBLE airplane

Yes and no. I think with the tensions with China fuming, USAF needs every plane they can get. But they are already scratching the bottom of the barrel to stay at maximum combat effectiveness, examples include retiring A-10's so they can divert personnel to F-35s. (although they've been brought back after much fighting)

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comparing the USSR to China today USSR is/was a bigger threat to the USA/NATO. China is contained to East Asian while the USSR had global reach.

we lost our rival and our need for many stealth fighers/bombers.

now that is changing since of China and Russia reawakening but it'll never be as bad as the 50's to 80's
 
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comparing the USSR to China today USSR is/was a bigger threat to the USA/NATO. China is contained to East Asian while the USSR had global reach.

we lost our rival and our need for many stealth fighers/bombers.

now that is changing since of China and Russia reawakening but it'll never be as bad as the 50's to 80's
How exactly did US contain USSR? They beat your A$$es in Vietnam (along with the Viet Cong), they helped overthrow the Shahs and make Iran an ally, also they help weaken US' biggest partner in South Asia (Pakistan) during the Liberation War in Bangladesh. The only positive victory US had was the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan which resulted in Soviet defeat.

The only reason the Soviets fell was because they were stupid enough to compete with US in military expansion.
 
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How exactly did US contain USSR? They beat your A$$es in Vietnam (along with the Viet Cong), they helped overthrow the Shahs and make Iran an ally, also they help weaken US' biggest partner in South Asia (Pakistan) during the Liberation War in Bangladesh. The only positive victory US had was the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan which resulted in Soviet defeat.

The only reason the Soviets fell was because they were stupid enough to compete with US in military expansion.

are you talking about China or Russia??? cause Russia didn't kick our asses in Vietnam except for a few Mig aces.

I said China is practically contained to East Asia, they don't have the reach the USSR had.

jesus christ.

USSR was a failure like all communist countries they end up failing.

unless you wanna brag about North Korea,Cuba, and some despots in Latin America.
 
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are you talking about China or Russia??? cause Russia didn't kick our asses in Vietnam except for a few Mig aces.

I said China is practically contained to East Asia, they don't have the reach the USSR had.

jesus christ.

USSR was a failure like all communist countries they end up failing.

unless you wanna brag about North Korea,Cuba, and some despots in Latin America.
They were the second biggest economy, hardly failure. Also China itself is a Communist.
 
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are you talking about China or Russia??? cause Russia didn't kick our asses in Vietnam except for a few Mig aces.

I said China is practically contained to East Asia, they don't have the reach the USSR had.

jesus christ.

USSR was a failure like all communist countries they end up failing.

unless you wanna brag about North Korea,Cuba, and some despots in Latin America.
So you are telling me that the US won in Vietnam.... ? Must be liberating to make up history as you go.
 
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So you are telling me that the US won in Vietnam.... ? Must be liberating to make up history as you go.

am I saying the U.S won? no. what I've been saying is USSR was a bigger threat to what they are today and china, so we cut back on buying planes like the F-22 and B-2 because USSR doesn't exist anymore.

as for Vietnam if it was a total war or if their had a media blackout in the states we would of crushed the NVA along with any Russia/Chinese helpers.

it was more of a politcal loss than anything.

look at Russia,China,Vietnam, today?? I think the U.S won in the end, but now these countries are stronger than ever because of it.
 
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* Stealth - The YF-23 had better all aspect stealth qualities which makes it More survivable!
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If one agree what you have posted then why in media it was constantly posted that YF-23 was more stealthy then YF-22 even in a video USAF personal said the same.

YF-23 Black Widow II

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Main Air Intake:

The PAV's used very simple fixed geometry air intakes which snaked inwards and upwards from the leading edge of the wing. The intake geometry was optimised to provide the necessary shock waves for slowing engine air without the use of variable geometry ramps. Boundary layer air extraction was accomplished by a large finely holed gauze panel located on the roof of the intake at its mouth. There was a secondary vertically-oriented gauze panel located on the inside of the inner wall of the intake, aligned with the rear of the main panel. This excess air was ducted overboard though 2 exit doors and a flush-mounted exit located on the top of the wing. The intakes used on the PAV's were not optimised for stealth and were a cruder configuration than what would have been used on the F-23A EMD variant. Consequently the engine fan blades can be clearly seen from certain angles, and some of the corners of the intake are vertical rather than sloped. The configuration of the intakes on PAV-1 and -2 was indentical, there were no changes for either engine.

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They couldn't afford it. Simple as that. They couldn't even afford F-22 that's why its production was stopped.

You're right on the money. This plane was primarily turned down due to its insane cost.
 
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ATF Program YF-23A
Northrop Grumman / McDonnell Douglas YF-23A ATF.


The YF-23A Black Widow II is a truly awesome aircraft in several ways. It was in competition with Lockheed Martin's YF-22 Lightening II ATF Program but lost out for reasons unknown.
What we suspect is that Northrop are actually reserved for building and developing stealth aircraft but excluding Fighter Designs.
This is because, looking at recent history of Advanced Programs, especially the Fighter programs, Northrop have lost all of these to Lockheed and other companies. Examples are the ATF program, Joint Strike Fighter Program, the Medium Weight Fighter program (F/A-18) and so on. But suddenly when Strike aircraft are involved, Northrop is well in, and their designs are magnificent.
The YF-23 is such an example...a contender for the ATF that lost out to the YF-22 Lightening II (Now Raptor) but has been further developed probably into super-super aircraft with super capabilities.
The Actual YF-23 is a Classic Fourth Generation Design of Stealth. The SR-71 was the first generation, F117 the second and the B-2 Spirit the Third Generation.
The Black Widow II has some characteristics as the Lockheed SR-71, with long chines extending from the Nose cone backwards just like the SR-71 has. Its performance is phenomenal compared with today's fighter aircraft.
The Length of the Black Widow is 67 ft 4¾ inches making it quite a large aircraft, just a bit longer than the F-117 and just shorter than the B-2a Spirit and about the same size as the F-15 Eagle.
The actual shape is unlike any other aircraft seen, with a wing plan of a diamond! It is full of slender curves similar to the B-2A and blended into the fuselage that offers extremely good stealth characteristics.
The complex design is designed so, because it allows the YF-23 to slide through the atmosphere at a very high supercruise speed, up to Mach 1.8 without reheat (burner) making it extremely fuel efficient and much faster than the F-22 Raptor.
Its design also allowed extremely agile maneuvers without the need of Thrust Vectoring.
Northrop went for stealth and survivability rather than Supreme agility with the aid of thrust vectoring having normal engine layout in the way of the B-2A spirit with Engine Exhausts on the top of the fuselage reducing significantly the below infra-red signature.

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Photo: Northrop Grumman. The YF-23A parked on the backside of the McDonnell Douglas F-15 Squadron hangar at Edwards AFB, CA. The shear awesome shape head on of this aircraft is shown here, with its Chines leading backwards to the wing root just like the SR-71. Its extremely massive engine nacelles dominate the overall head-on shape together with its uncommonly 45° all moveable tail-planes.

It is designed also to slip through the air without the air friction common to normal fighter aircraft. The compound curvature and complex shape minimizes the Friction which causes extreme heat on the outer body which, with today's Infra-Red Search and Track Systems (IRST) fitted to Eurofighter Typhoon and the Mig29/Su27 variants air friction can in fact be seen.

The Overall shape of the YF23 was in actual fact two designs....
The Forward Fuselage was a complex modified double trapezoid with one above the other in mirror effect. The Rear section was built around the massive engines with the upper section dominated with massive engine nacelles each being a modified trapezoidal cross section as well. It was overall, a very complex design even though it did not look it from the outside.
Northrop used extremely powerful super computers to design their aircraft, something Lockheed did not have when they designed the F-117 Nighthawk.

Another odd characteristic was its Wing span, the Wing Root length (where it meets the fuselage) is actually half the length of the fuselage. The shape of the wings, and fuselage gives the person outside an overall different appearance, it actually makes the aircraft look much more longer than it actually is...

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Photo: Northrop Grumman. Flying over the Mojave Desert near Edwards AFB. This is one of two prototypes that now reside in California. One at Dryden and one at a museum.
The Over-fuselage Engine exhaust outlets are clearly visible and dominate the back-end of the aircraft together with the engine nacelles.
The unconventional layout of the cantilever wings is also clearly shown. Showing like mentioned above the overall length looks more than it actually is compared with the pilot.

The tail-planes are very uncommon, being set each outward at 45° they are fully moveable and act as rudder/elevators.
The engines are of the same design as the YF-22 Raptor being YF-119-PW-100 or General Electric YF120-GE-100 variable cycle turbofans with reheat. Each are rated at 32,000-35,000 Static Thrust.
The YF-23 also has a very large weapons bay located right behind the nose Wheel location.
The chines of the nose extend right back to the wing Root and leading edges giving it a very awesome looking appearance, and quite rightly so, this aircraft is a marvel and extremely awesome in every way.
The Chines are used for controlling vortex of the aircraft at High angle of attack (AoA). To reduce the effect of the vortex on the tail-planes, the tail-planes are like mentioned set well back and at 45° outward canted.
If tail-planes are induced to Vortex from the Wing, it can stall the aircraft (which is why the C-5 and C-17 both have T-tails).


The Black Widow II Takes to the Air!

On August 27th 1990 from Rwy 04 at Edwards AFB, the Black Widow II was the first ATF to take off and do flight tests. Northrop's Chief Test Pilot, Paul Metz was at the controls.
Paul gently poured on the power and the YF-23A roared down the runway and after 4,100ft it took off by itself due to the extreme lift the aircraft body had. In the air already and flying down the runway acting as Chase Aircraft were Edwards based F-16 and F-15 Fighters and were to be the test flights chasers and safety aircraft. At 1,000ft and at 10° pitch up Paul reduced power to military thrust (without reheat).
By this time, the F-16 was useless in performance already and the F-15 super fighter was finding it extremely difficult to keep up with the YF23A even though it still had its landing gear down and the F-15 was using reheat!

Paul climbed to 25,000ft and began tests of basic systems and at this time, the undercarriage was then raised. He continued to do trials with testing of Yaw, Roll and pitch and then he went on to more complex moves such as constant heading side-slips, stick-flicks and doing structural measurements of the aircraft's airframe. He then commenced formation flying with the Chase F-15.
During a 1.5g port turn the undercarriage door opened slightly and stuck there. Paul Metz flew with the F-15 so that the crew could check to see if the YF23 was ok, and at this time the flight had to be cancelled.
Paul flew the YF23 for 55minutess,ending his test flight prematurely, but managed a Mach 0.7 speed and climbed to 35,000ft.

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Photo: NASA Dryden. Showing the two aircraft built for the program and flying near Edwards AFB, the extreme shape of the YF23 is shown here. The gray colored aircraft shows the camouflage similar to the YF-22 Raptor.

Black Widow II, more advanced than it should have been?

There was no doubt the YF23 was extremely more advanced than any other aircraft to be seen, its avionics were top notch stuff and of course its performance was unmatched in supercruise and standard agility (without TV).
Did Northrop 'Over design' the YF-23A? Has its technology been used in other programs? The answer is yes, it came from the owners mouth: "The YF-23A continues to fly in some form or other"

Well he definitely spilled the beans! Northop have an advanced variant of the YF23 or with YF23 characteristics flying already, possibly at Groom Lake and possibly much larger and more powerful.
The JSF concept was indeed based very much on the YF23 shape and layout and this too could be re-developed.

Several witnesses at RAF Boscombe Down during the incident in 1994 say the aircraft involved did have similarities with the YF-23A. (SeeBoscombe Downs Black Day on this Site).
So a question comes to mind: Is Northrops ASTRA program a development of the YF23A Black Widow II? We do know that the incident aircraft was indeed Northrops. Is AURORA the covername for ASTRA and therefor again a development of the YF23A? Or is AURORA the covername for the B-2A Spirit like Lockheed had mentioned? (More info on the Aurora)

B. Buschel of Lockheed Skunkworks was asked by Nick Cook of Janes Defence Weekly about his knowledge of AURORA. Buschel came out with "I believe that was the codename for the now Northrop B-2A"
He may be right and even he now says AURORA was Northrops and NOT Lockheed! something we researching the incident at B/Down found out a few years ago.
With the YF-23A's phenomenal supercruise capability it was a viable program for something fast and stealthy used for the ASTRA (Advanced Stealth Technology Reconnaissance Aircraft).
However this leaves us also with an option for the name ASTRA: Is Advanced Stealth Technology an advancement in actual stealth or is Advanced as in 'an advanced air-vehicle'?
Northrop were indeed apparently and ARE using electrical devices to improve stealth on the Leading edges of the B-2A Spirit, is Advanced Stealth Technology this advancement? Or is it some other form very advanced technology that improves stealth beyond our imagination?
We do know that the YF23 was a fourth Generation Stealth Design which was kicking in with the B-2A Third Generation design so it could have possibly been better. Has the YF-23 design moved on to Fifth Generation design?

The Truth is only at northrop advanced projects division at Plant 42.

However, recently looking at Langley Research Center photos we came across the SHARC, or Subsonic High Alpha Research Concept. The photos prove that NASA are indeed developing an air-vehicle with similar configuration to the YF-23 or should we say, the spin off to the YF23, the JSF Concept.
The SHARC has all the features, the same cockpit, same tail-plane layout, and the single engine of the Northrop JSF concept. Photos also prove they have a near full-scale sized vehicle in testing. All photos can be seen in the Black Program Page

With today's Stealth technology, in my opinion there is no need for extremely fast hypersonic aircraft, in a tactical way anyway there is no advantage except for running away.
Subsonic is still a viable plan because being stealth there is no danger anyway except for visual reference but if you are stealth you try and keep out of visual I.D.

In my opinion the YF23 is still out there, in a different form like Northrop had said and in a very much advanced state. More advanced than we imagine whether it be hypersonic, supersonic or subsonic stealth it does not matter. Like we mentioned, what use is an aircraft at Mach 6+? Apart from transiting it cannot do any tactical mission. If its mission profile is reconnaissance, at Mach 6+ there is no way to reliably take photos overflying the target. The only way possible would be to say... use a SLAR, Infra-Red Sensors or Electronic sensors from over 50-100 miles away so you can get a proper profile of the land. The only advantage like we said is 'running away' safely.
Why be stealth and fly at MACH 6+? Flying at Mach 6+, well, there is no need to be stealth as there is nothing to intercept or strike you at that speed, you are safe as can be!

It is a fact that 'most' of these exotic flyers are using conventional engine propulsion systems and NOT PDWE engines.
There are probably only a 'few' aircraft developed with that technology flying for hypersonic research and development, the rest have conventional propulsion systems with afterburner and using ScramJet and RamJet technology 'maybe' using advanced fuel systems such as Liquid Methane Gas or JP-7 even.
Others probably have advanced low supersonic, high subsonic engines maybe with or without reheat which is ideal and suited for Strike aircraft.

ATF Program YF-23A

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YF-23 described
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The Northrop YF-23 ATF Prototype Air Vehicle was a 5th generation, twin-engined, single seat prototype jet fighter aircraft that employed low observable or stealth technology to reduce the chance of detection in a combat environment, both in the microwave radar and infra-red spectrums. It was designed, developed and built specifically in response to the USAF's request for an Advanced Tactical Fighter to replace the F-15 Eagle. It was a 'bare-bones' prototype, devoid of the sensors, avionics and full weapons capacity specified in the ATF requirement, which were tested and demonstrated separately in a different part of the programme. It contained only those avionics sufficient to carry out its function of demonstrating flight perfomance commensurate with Northrop's predictions for the EMD Proposal. It was capable of flight at sustained supersonic speed without the use of afterburner. It was built and flown in 2 different versions, to accomodate the 2 contenders for the ATF engine contract. The engine bays of the aircraft were designed in such a way as to accomodate the 2 different engine types with maximum structural commonality.

Configuration
The overal shape was carefully designed to cater as much as possible to speed and all-aspect stealth, while offering credible agility and high alpha flight without departure. It was a triolithic configuration with a diamond shaped trapezoidal wing, a 'V' or butterfly tail, and conformed tightly to the Area Rule in the shape and distribution of its volume. The planform consisted of completely straight creases or edges aligned in 7 directions (6 angular and 1 longitudinal) to minimise radar return spikes as much as possible. All edges were parallel to one of these 7 alignments. The primary angle of alignment was 40°. 90° corners and vertical surfaces were kept to a minimum. The overall shape employed a series of flat surfaces or facets smoothly blended or bevelled into 3 essential masses with flowing curves. The sides of the aircraft also conformed as closely as possible to 4 different angular alignments when viewed from the front or rear. The configuration could essentially be thought of as a large clipped diamond wing to which 3 volumetric masses have been attached. The 2 rear masses consist of the engine naceles and air intakes and house the main undercarriage, while the front mass is the forebody or fuselage containing the weapons bay, cockpit, avionics, and front undercarriage. The fuselage was pinched in volume almost precisely at the point of maximum wing span. The leading and trailing edge angle of sweep of the flying surfaces was 40°. The slits between the control surfaces on the wings were vertical. The leading edge was radiused, while the trailing edge was sharp. The V-tail offered significant IR shielding of the rear jet exhaust. It was canted outwards at an angle of 40° dihedral. The leading edge of the V-tail commmenced precisely where the trailing of the wing left off. The conformity to area ruling was probably the tightest of any aircraft ever.The overall shape would probably most closely resemble a stingray, and it is widely considered to be one of the most beautiful aircraft ever to fly. It is the only supersonic fighter to ever employ a V-tail, the only fighter in the world to employ a completely symmetrical diamond wing planform, and was quite possibly (in PAV-2 guise) the fastest aircaft in the world in relation to supercruise.

Construction
The primary structural materials were carbon/bismaleimide and titanium. The load of the main wing was distributed between 4 primary spars. The firewalls, engine support frames, wing spars and attachment frames were titanium alloy. The undercarriage was steel. The nose was made out of aluminium and was devoid of any radar or sensors. The canopy was made out of polycarbonate, and the exhaust trough tiles at the back were made from Titanium Lamilloy.

Central Management
The heart of the aircraft was the Vehicle Management System, designed to monitor and accept feedback from all systems aboard the aircraft, and to provide necessary control input. It integrated all functions into a single organism allowing for a far greater level of dynamic response with geater efficiency than a conventional system. It allowed for the complete integration of normally disparate systems: it controlled flight control surface movement, engine operation, BLC door position, nosewheel steering, anti-skid of the wheels, and air data/flight test data to do with the flight surfaces. The core of the VMS was the bank of Vehicle Management Computers (VMCs): 4 linked computers feeding into a completely digital control system for quadruple redundancy.

Aerodynamic Control
The YF-23 was a highly coupled and highly unstable vehicle aerodynamically to allow for maximum agility in flight. It was artificially stablised by the VMS. The aircraft employed a series of aerodynamic control surfaces that were fully integrated into the VMS, meaning that any surface could be used for any control task, and manoevure was accomplished by moving all the surfaces in concert for a result rather than the traditional method of having a dedicated control surface for a particular task. For example, the leading edge flaps could be used differentially, to roll the aircraft in concert with other surfaces; in unison, to provide lift for landing and takeoff or high AoA manoevure, or to dump lift and brake the aircraft on landing rollout. A control surface could perform at least 3 functions at once: supplying manoevure control vectors, cancelling unwanted off-axis effects from other surfaces (eg yaw input from the v tails when pitch was required), and maintaining constant flying stability. As a consequence, the aircraft had no separate dedicated airbrake. Braking was provided by deflection of the trailing edge wing flaperons. The inner main flaperons could be deflected hard down while the outer secondary flaperons were deflected hard up, or vice versa. In terms of specific control input tasking: yaw control was controlled by the V-tails (the trailing edge wing flaps compensated for roll caused by the V-tail). Roll was controlled by differential deflection of the flaperons. Pitch was controlled by deflection of the V-tail. The VMS maintained zero side-slip unless commanded otherwise by the pilot.

To provide feedback to the VMS, the nose of the aircraft featured flush air pressure sensors with non-steathy pitot tubes for backup. AoA static ports were located top and bottom on the centreline of the nose. Differential pressure recorded by the ports provided angle of attack information. Sideslip static ports were located on the nose offset to the centreline. Differential pressure provided angle of side-slip. Combined pressure from both sides provided static pressure for airspeed and altitude computation. 2 L-shaped pitot tubes on the lower fuselage aft of the nose provided total pressure measurements for airspeed backup computation. An air data calibration check was commenced by the VMS on take off roll at approx 45 knots, comparing airspeed, wheel spin, and INS velocity.

Weapons Bay
The weapons bay was a single compartment situated behind the cockpit. It was finished in zinc chromate primer on PAV-1, gloss white on PAV-2, and contained plumbing visible on the inside walls. The bay was 160 inches long. The design was provisionally configured to carry 3 AIM-120A AMRAAMs, and 2 AIM-9 Sidewinders. Missiles were to be attached to a single flat 'pallet' that swung down and forward on hydraulic actuators to lie flush with the underside of the fuselage for weapons launch. The launchers for the AMRAAMs were angled outwards at 17° to facilitate positive ejection outwards & downwards. The missiles would have been attached to LAU-106 adapters and were aligned 4.5° nose downwards when deployed. Small white baffles swung down into the airstream at the same time the weapons bay doors opened, to stabilise the airflow around the missiles, ensuring a safe and clear separation on launch. PAV-2 was actually fitted with trapeze arms in a V configuration. The weapons bay doors were relatively large single piece units, and opened out to lie sloped at a similar angle to the sides of the air intakes, effectively shielding the intakes from missile exhaust on launch. On PAV-1, the doors were zinc chromate primer on the interior surfaces while the hinge booms were white. The doors had relatively smooth interior surfaces comensurate with weapons bay acoustic tests. They were equipped to potentially mount a rail launched Sidewinder each using a LAU-114 adaptor. On PAV-2, the doors where white and had exposed structural ribs on the interior instead of smooth surfaces. This aircraft was scheduled for tasks other than weapons bay acoustic measurement. The doors could operate in 3 modes: fast launch, in which the doors opened in 2.1 seconds; standard launch in which the doors opened in 5 seconds; or slow mode where they opened in 10 seconds. This was the default mode for ground operations to ensure safety for ground crew. The prototypes were flown in a basic configuration; weapons integration was planned for a later stage had Northrop won the EMD phase contract. Weapons release demonstrations were simulated using computer modelling. Provision was made for a standard GE M61 20mm Gatling gun with 500 rounds in the starboard wing root. Access to the ammunition was from an access hatch located on the underside of the a/c. Again, the gun was not actually carried. The space reserved for ammo was occupied by test equipment.

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"Armament System page 1-123. The armament system described is the config after the weapons integration enhancement. Some hardware might not be installed and weapon switches described may not be functional prior to the enhancement. The internal weapons carriage system consists of the weapons bay insert, Advanced Technology Launcher(s) (ATL), the door launch assembly, the weapons bay doors and their drive mechanism. Each... door is mechanically linked to an airflow spoiler. The spoilers extend 6 inches below the mold line when deployed. The weapons bay insert supports the advanced technology launcher and a modified LAU-106 for captive carriage of an AIM-120A. The platform, suspended at an outward angle of 17°, imparts a 'down-and-out' trajectory to missiles ejected by the launcher... After the missile is launched, the launcher automatically retracts... The ATL ejects the AIM-120A by releasing the missile at the end of the launcher linkage arm extension stroke. The missile is aligned 4.5° nose down on release with a slight nose down momentum. The launcher also has provisions to rail launch AIM-9 missiles with the installation of a LAU-114 launcher. Structural provisions are included to mount a weapons bay boor launch assembly for AIM-9 carriage and release. The weapons bay doors have 3 opening and closing speeds: 2.1 sec (normal), 5 sec (med), and 10 sec (slow) for ground use."

Cockpit
The cockpit had a unique layout but did not include any new equipment specifically designed for the ATF programme. All hardware in the cockpit was off-the-shelf. The instrument panel used display units from the F-15E but was of a different overal arrangement. Although the panel layout of the main CRT's was similar to the F-15E, the panel was devoid of the warning light cluster found on the right hand side of the F-15E panel, and in place of the analogue gauge clusters found directly under the F-15E's main left and right CRT's, there were simple air conditioning vents. There was an absolute minimum of analogue instrumentation in the YF-23, just a standby attitude indicator and cockpit altimeter on the extreme right of the instrument panel. The panel included a unique and new longitudinal CRT-type diagnostic/warning display unit on the right. The HUD system was identical to the F-15E. The side console layout was unique to the aircraft, although the cockpit switchology was similar to the F-15E. The consoles featured test equipment not normally found on a production aircraft. The aircraft sported a standard ACES II seat finished in black rather than the usual grey. The seat was reclined back at 18°. Red brackets (for mounting the flight-monitoring video cameras on) were installed on the seat ejection rails, although PAV-2 had a slightly beefier bracket on the left ejection seat rail. Cabin pressure regulation equipment featured quite prominently immediately behind the seat, looking like 2 black R2-D2 droid units! The pilot was able to see over the nose at a depressed angle of 15°. The canopy frame was finished in zinc chromate primer except for upwardly visible areas of the frame inside the actual cockpit area, which were finished in matt black. Rather than having rows of locking hooks, it featured two very large shark tooth shaped hooks towards the rear. The canopy frame mounted two mirrors and a pair of grab handles. The cockpit sill featured prominent "experimental" labels on both sides. The joystick was centre-mounted. The throttle quadrant was borrowed from the F-15E also. In PAV-2, the strut of the throttle quadrant was left in zinc chromate primer. The Pilots manual diagram of the instrument panel layout shows 2 spin gauges: these were not installed on the actual aircraft because spin tests were not carried out. Had the aircraft gone on to EMD, spin tests would have been conducted.

Avionics and Systems
In addition to the VMS, the aircraft had the following avionics and systems aboard: a Garret Auxiliary Power Unit (APU), which provided pressurised air for engine starts on the ground; a Litton OBOGS from an AV-8B Harrier; a KY-58 UHF Secure Voice Have Quick radio; UHF antennae, C-Band beacons, an L-Band beacon; and IFF, INS, TACAN, and an ECS. The Environmental Control System (ECS) provided conditioned air for cockpit pressurisation and air conditioning, windscreen defog, canopy seal, anti-g, fuel tank pressurisation, oxygen generation, and avionics cooling. It was powered by engine bleed air, APU, or ground cart as necessary. Cockpit pressurisation was automatic, ambient pressure was the equivalent of 8,000ft up to 23,000 ft altitude actual; thereafter 5 psi differential to outside pressure. At no stage did either aircraft carry either a radar or combat sensors. The ECS temperature bleed air scoop could remain open in flight. On PAV-1, the ECS was located in the cockpit immediately ahead of the rear bulkhead, below the canopy line. On PAV-2 it was located in the foward section of the weapons bay.

Maintenance Access
The engine bay and avionics bay access doors were zinc chromate primer on the interior surfaces. The engine bay doors hinged downwards and inwards. The avionics bay doors had quick release fasteners and were completely removeable. There was an avionics rack mounted just ahead of the cockpit that slid down vertically on dual rails underneath the aircraft for maintenance access. While key panels had appropriate alignment with one of the 7 axes, many panels on the aircraft were right-angled in shape.

Landing Gear
The aircraft employed the standard tricycle undercarriage configuration. The main oleo legs were trailing-axle cantilevered units unique to the aircraft, not borrowed from the F-15 or F-18, as popular opinion would suggest, although F-18 main wheels were employed. The configuration of the undercarriage was very straight-forward and simple. The rear units retracted rearwards and straight up into the body without any swivel of the wheel (unlike the F-15 and F-18 which both swivel the wheels to lie flat underneath the fuselage), and the front unit rotated up and fowards into the front fuselage, again, without any wheel swivelling. The front oleo strut was a stripped-down F-15 unit with different forward struts and the addition of a trailing arm to combat shimmy tendencies. The shock absorber travel was reduced to cater to the height requirements of the YF-23 fuselage, which sits lower to the ground than an F-15. Both front and rear undercarriage units employed single doors respectively, in contrast again to the teen series fighters which have multiple doors per unit. The front gear door opened and retracted extremely rapidly, in a virtual snap movement. Landing gear retraction was 4.5 sec, extension was 7 sec, and emergency extension could be acomplished in around 25-35 sec. Nosewheel steering was 20° above 15 knots, up to 45° below 15.

Engines
The PAVs flew using engines equipped with nozzles that were configured for STOL operations according to the original ATF requirement. This capability was not actually tested due to the redundancy of the requirement. The nozzle developed for the YF-23 was a very simple 2-dimensional design with a single moveable paddle. The P&W YF119 employed a moveable exterior shroud to the paddle, whereas the GE YF120 had a fixed shroud. The paddles were known officially as a Single Expansion Ramp Nozzle or SERN. Fuel was fed from 11 fuel tanks distributed throughout the wings and fuselage: 1 in each wing, 1 above each intake, 4 surrounding the weapons bay, and the remaining tanks in the centre fuselage.

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Troughs
The jet exhaust troughs were lined with square-shaped Titanium Lamilloy metal tiles of 5x5 inch area, laid in a right-angled matrix on the floor of the trough, and on the sidewalls, aligned with the downward sloping top edge of the trough. Some of the tiles had a trapezoidal shape where the slope met the floor, and the extreme trailing edge tiles were shaped like parallelograms. The tiles worked on the principle of transpiration cooling, and shielded the carbon fibre structure below from exessive heat. The troughs were cooled with air bled from the engines, which flowed down via 3 pipes, one for either wall and one for the 'floor' of the trough; towards the rear inside the tail structure, to exit via a series of very small holes under the extreme rear of the underside of the troughs. The extreme trailing edge of the rear fuselage and jet troughs was blunt, or radiused. The overall design of the rear section was optimised to minimise IR signature from the rear lower quarter view.

Engine Interface

The computer interface between the aircraft VMS computers and the engine-mounted Full Authority Digital Electronic Controls (FADEC) provided engine thrust control. The FADEC included in-flight monitoring of engine performance and post-flight maintenance reporting. The VMS computers passed Mach and thrust commands to the FADEC. The FADEC passed thrust achieved, engine status, and engine performance data back to the VMS computers. The FADEC adjusted engine speed and pressure to provide stable, compressor stall-free opration throughout the flight envelope. It controlled the main and afterburner fuel flow, main and afterburner ignition, fan and compressor variable vane angles (for the YF119), variable stator vane angle and variable bypass area (for the YF120), and exhaust nozzle throat and exit areas. Pressurised fuel was used for engine hydraulic fluid and lubricating oil cooling. The FADEC controlled nozzle throat area for optimum thrust. An Integrated Engine Mode (IEM) provided airspeed hold (equivalent to cruise control). The Fuel Management Computer and Transfer System (FMC) controlled aircraft CG.




Intakes
The engines breathed using very simple, underslung, fixed geometry air intakes which snaked inwards and upwards from the leading edge of the wing. The intake geometry was optimised to provide the necessary shock waves for slowing engine air to subsonic speed (when flying at supersonic speed) without the use of variable geometry ramps. Thermal shock and associated air turbulence at the engine face was averted by bleeding off boundary layer air. Boundary layer air extraction at the air intakes was accomplished by a large finely holed gauze panel located on the roof of the intake at its mouth. There was a secondary vertically-oriented gauze panel located on the inside of the inner wall of the intake, aligned with the rear of the main panel. This excess air was ducted overboard though 2 exit doors and a flush-mounted exit located on the top of the wing. The Boundary Layer Control System (BLCS) controlled thermal shock and boundary layer interaction on the engine inlet ramp during supersonic flight. The exit doors were controlled automatically by the VMS, but there was a manual option for the pilot. The curve of the intakes was sufficient to mask the engine fan blades from being detected by radar directly ahead, but there was a hotspot where the blades could be detected line-of-sight at an approx vector angle of 18° outwards and 13° downwards. At all other vectors the fan blades were masked.

YF-23 ATF PAV Characteristics, Individual
PAV-1 PAV-2

engines 2 YF119-PW-100 (PW5000) Pratt & Whitney, exposed exhaust paddle 2 YF120-GE-100 (GE37) General Electric, fixed shroud over exhaust paddle

civil serial N231YF N232YF

AF serial AF 87-0800 AF 87-0801

rollout 22/06/1990 Edwards FTC not disclosed

first flight 27/08/1990
Paul Metz pilot
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26/10/1990 Jim Sandberg pilot

paint scheme overall Gunship Grey FS 36118 Compass Ghost Grey FS 36375, 36320

weapons bay zinc chromate primer, standard length stealth shaped doors with ancilliary structure attached, weapon bay baffles white, shorter squared off doors, V shaped trapeze arms fitted

sorties 34 16

flight hours 43 22

call sign 'Spider'
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'Grey Ghost'
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supercruise 1st time on 5th flight. Mach 1.43 attained
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on 14/11/90 Mach 1.6+
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location National USAF Museum, Wright Patterson AFB, Ohio Western Museum of Flight, Torrance, CA

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YF-23 ATF PAV Characteristics, Common

Empty weight 35,000-50,000lb set on UFC envelope menu flight parameters , 38,000lb
Max weight 44,000-60,000lb , 55,000lb
Fuel at least 18,000lb set on UFC scratchpad

Basic Dimensions:
length 67'6"/ 67.4ft
wing span 43' 7" / 43.6ft
v-tail span 34' 2"
height 13.9 ft
weapons bay 160in/ 13.33 ft length x 48in width x 38in height

Flying Surfaces:
wing modified NACA 65A airfoil. area: 950 sq ft, aspect ratio: 2.00, no angle of incidence, mean aero chord: 322.9, leading edge 40°, trailing edge 40°
v-tail modified NACA 65A airfoil. area: 197 sq ft, aspect ratio: 2.55, -1° angle of incidence, mean aero chord: 120.6, dihedral 40°
forebody chine 7.5°

Performance Estimates:
The maximum flight performance characteristics are classified and only of academic interest since the aircraft was not tested to its maximum limits, only those sufficient to demonstrate USAF requirements within the Dem/Val structure. The actual flight parameters required to be demonstrated where much lower than what the aircraft was theoretically capable of. Performance figures have never been publically released so all figures in the public domain are estimates.

Vmax at high altitude Mach 1.8+
Vmax at low altitude 915 mph
Vcruise Mach 1.6+
Vmin 140 KCAS
AoA for glideslope 10°
AoA limit on landing 12.5°
AoA max tested 25°
AoA max theoretical 55°
combat radius 800-900 miles
service ceiling 50,000ft tested, 60,000ft proposed

Weapons Provisions:
3 AIM-120A AMRAAM LAU-106 launch adapter, 4.5° down on launch
2 AIM-9L Sidewinder LAU-114 launch adapter
1 GE M61A1 Vulcan 20mm cannon with 500 rounds

Northrop YF-23 ATF specs.
 
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YF-23 was simply not what we wanted. All i see people drooling over its stealth characteristics but manoeuvrability was an important aspect where it was found to well below the acceptable standards.

Our military had funded their R&D and we surely know how to make use of the knowledge base.
Understand this: These ya-hoos do not know what the hell they are yakking about, despite my best efforts at educating them on the technical aspects of this subject.

But there is a more important fact about their criticisms of the F-22: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT OF RADAR LOW OBSERVABILITY -- NOTHING.

They criticize the F-22 because it is a US product and they just want to jab at US for anything. If the US bought the -23, they would have criticize the -23 because it is not as maneuverable as the -22. An aircraft is a compromise in competing demands and no aircraft has ever met full customer's satisfaction. Not even legends like the F-16 or the C-130 or anything you can think up. So it does not matter if the -22 have advantages the -23 does not, or vice versa, these guys are going to use anything to criticize US anyway.

Now...Let us say, for the sake of argument, that the -23 is 'stealthier' than the -22.

Do we know how much ? Not. And probably not for a very long time. Despite the fact that the two -23 bodies are museum pieces, neither the USAF nor Northrop will reveal radar measurement data.

So let us assume that the -23 is 'stealthier' than the -22 for now.

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The above is how a radar data processor sees any object: as a cluster of voltage spikes. Not the radar scope, but the data processor. The blip or dot of light on a scope is just a composite of those spikes put together for human consumption. But as far as the data processor is concerned, each spike represents a major physical feature of the aircraft that is in the radar stream. From the above, we can safely assume that the highest spike represent the starboard engine, and if that is the highest spike, that mean the radar is slightly off starboard and in front.

We also see the baseline graph and here is where it gets a little tricky. That baseline represents a virtual 'line' separating stuff that we deem insignificant. This line is arbitrary. If the radar is for meteorological purposes, that line would be really really low in order to catch hydrometeors, fancy words for water based bodies like raindrops, fog, or snowflakes. But if the radar is to detect man-made objects like an aircraft, then we raise that line to reject raindrops, birds, insects, and other similarly sized bodies.

That line is called the 'clutter threshold' or 'clutter rejection threshold'. What is junk (clutter) for one is treasure for another.

So is there a radar that is a compromise enough to satisfy most people ? Yes. But more specifically, it is a radar frequency band: the centimetric or g-htz bands.

Radar Frequency Bands

Centimetric means the basic wavelength is one centimeter long.

Most weapons targeting radars uses the X-band and that is where the world's currently designed 'stealth' bodies resides, meaning they are shaped to counter the X-band. The longer the frequency, the easier it gets to detect 'stealth' but there are problems with longer and longer freqs. Those disadvantages are for a different post/discussion and they have been outlined here before -- by me.

So imagine the -22 and -23 below the clutter rejection threshold for %90 of the world's military radars.

Does it matter if the -23 is 'stealthier' than the -22 ? No -- BECAUSE BOTH AIRCRAFTS ARE ALREADY REJECTED BY %90 OF THE WORLD'S MILITARY RADARS.

So what if the -23 is 'stealthier' but if the -22 is more maneuverable, better looking, cooks you breakfast, have sex with you, and kills your enemies dead from far away, why not get the -22 ?

It is not as if I have not presented this argument before. Done it many times already. But just like loony 9/11 conspiracy theories, leave the YF-23 alone long enough and someone, on a slow news day, will drag this subject up again as if it is something that is just discovered. :rolleyes:
 
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