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Why the US needs to go down China’s public transport route​

  • The convenient subway system in big cities like Shanghai and the country’s expansive rail network make car ownership unnecessary and exploring China easy
  • Investment in public transport in the US would not only fuel the economy and create jobs, but help low-income communities, reduce emissions and revitalise urban areas

Anthony W.D. Anastasi
Published: 3:30am, 22 Jul, 2023

After spending an uninterrupted three-and-a-half years in China, this summer was my first opportunity to return home and visit family and friends in sunny south Florida. I sold my car before moving to China, so this was my first experience of being back home in the United States without my own automobile.

The absurdly priced Uber trips, poorly covered bus routes and the nuisance I caused my friends and family asking for rides made me wonder how anyone in the US can live without a car.

During my years in Shanghai, I have never had the need to own a car. Shanghai’s 19-line, 802km-long subway system is an incredible way to get around. Not only has it saved me money, when compared to my life in South Florida, but it has also made me healthier, thanks to walking more.

When travelling outside Shanghai, instead of taking a plane or driving an immensely long distance, like I would have done in the US, I have taken trains. China’s traditional train and high-speed rail system is sufficiently developed, quick and very convenient.

My return to the US after spending so much time in China has made it obvious that the US should take a page out of China’s book and invest massively in public transport. Investing in public transport can fuel economic growth in the US. By expanding public transport infrastructure, the US could generate millions of immediate job opportunities across construction, operations and maintenance.

Additionally, accessible public transport connects low-income earners to employment centres, empowering them to secure jobs they previously could not reach. This inclusivity not only boosts individual livelihoods but also expands the overall labour force, fostering productivity and driving long-term economic growth.

Vehicles head east on a freeway during the evening rush hour commute in Los Angeles, California. Photo: AFP

Vehicles head east on a freeway during the evening rush hour commute in Los Angeles, California. Photo: AFP

The cost of car ownership is a significant financial burden on American households. Shifting towards public transport would relieve middle-class families from the hefty expenses associated with cars, such as fuel, insurance and maintenance. This surplus income can be redirected towards consumer spending, injecting vitality into local businesses and bolstering the economy from the ground up.

Embracing a public transport system like China’s offers a sustainable solution that would help combat climate change and create a more beautiful environment. By adopting buses, subways and trains on a larger scale, the US can significantly reduce its carbon footprint, leading to cleaner air and a healthier planet for future generations.

Furthermore, public transport networks eliminate the need for vast car parks, allowing for urban revitalisation and the creation of green spaces. Transforming these concrete wastelands into parks, gardens and community hubs enhances the beauty and livability of our cities.

A robust public transport system can profoundly improve mobility, connectivity and overall well-being. Efficient public transport offers affordable and convenient travel options, enabling families to reunite more easily and fostering connections between communities. It also encourages domestic tourism, allowing individuals to explore different regions within the country, broadening their horizons and nurturing a stronger sense of national unity.

Moreover, prioritising public transport can lead to safer roads and a reduction in traffic-related accidents and fatalities. By promoting walking and active commuting to public transport stops, we can encourage physical activity, combat sedentary lifestyles and contribute to better public health outcomes.

In 2021, the Biden administration was able to get a bipartisan infrastructure bill passed, which totalled over US$1 trillion in new infrastructure spending over a five-year period, with US$550 billion of it going towards new transport, broadband and utilities.

In contrast, China has plans to spend US$1.8 trillion in 2023 on large infrastructure projects, including transport, the expansion of energy generation capabilities, and the creation of industrial parks, a 17 per cent increase from last year. Needless to say, Biden’s bill does not go far enough for an economy as large as the US.

Though its history, the US has had a pragmatic streak, being able to take great ideas from abroad and adapt them to its local conditions, such as the interstate highway system. If there is one thing the United States can learn from China, it is public transport.
 
Actually, USA cities are designed that way.

The reason why USA is designed that way, is to boast car sales.

At first it seems to be a great idea, but as time passes by problems are showing up.


China is recent developed, it learns the mistake from USA.

I joined skyscraper forum a very long time ago, and followed China development.

Before building the city, China invited all experts around the world to design the city, including experts from USA, Europe, Japan, etc.

Comparing China city vs others is like comparing an old car vs a modern car, including public transport.

China builds city very fast, but planning it very slow, there are a lot meeting, discussion, creating concepts, even simulating it on PC.

China city is amazing because it's the pinnacle of entire human civilization and thousands of years of experiences.

To visit, see, and learn from China is a must, as China must learn from the others as well before.
 
Actually, USA cities are designed that way.

The reason why USA is designed that way, is to boast car sales.

At first it seems to be a great idea, but as time passes by problems are showing up.


China is recent developed, it learns the mistake from USA.

I joined skyscraper forum a very long time ago, and followed China development.

Before building the city, China invited all experts around the world to design the city, including experts from USA, Europe, Japan, etc.

Comparing China city vs others is like comparing an old car vs a modern car, including public transport.

China builds city very fast, but planning it very slow, there are a lot meeting, discussion, creating concepts, even simulating it on PC.

China city is amazing because it's the pinnacle of entire human civilization and thousands of years of experiences.

To visit, see, and learn from China is a must, as China must learn from the others as well before.

The OP mentions Shanghai which has 30 million people.

Much of what is seen in Shanghai can’t be repeated because most of our population and businesses are so spread out buses and subways aren’t financially feasible due to low ridership.

Remember we are now down to 9 cities with a population of more than a million people and only 1 city above 5 million and none over 10 million even though we are the 3rd most populous country on the planet. The OP is talking about a city of 30 million.

1New York[d]8,335,8978,804,190−5.32%300.5 sq mi778.3 km229,298/sq mi11,312/km240.66°N 73.94°W
2Los Angeles3,822,2383,898,747−1.96%469.5 sq mi1,216.0 km28,304/sq mi3,206/km234.02°N 118.41°W
3Chicago2,665,0392,746,388−2.96%227.7 sq mi589.7 km212,061/sq mi4,657/km241.84°N 87.68°W
4Houston2,302,8782,304,580−0.07%640.4 sq mi1,658.6 km23,599/sq mi1,390/km229.79°N 95.39°W
5Phoenix1,644,4091,608,139+2.26%518.0 sq mi1,341.6 km23,105/sq mi1,199/km233.57°N 112.09°W
6Philadelphia[e]1,567,2581,603,797−2.28%134.4 sq mi348.1 km211,933/sq mi4,607/km240.01°N 75.13°W
71,472,9091,434,625+2.67%498.8 sq mi1,291.9 km22,876/sq mi1,110/km229.46°N 98.52°W
81,381,1621,386,932−0.42%325.9 sq mi844.1 km24,256/sq mi1,643/km232.81°N 117.14°W
91,299,5441,304,379−0.37%339.6 sq mi879.6 km23,841/sq mi1,483/km232.79°N 96.77°W
10Austin974,447961,855+1.31%319.9 sq mi828.5 km23,007/sq mi1,161/km230.30°N 97.75°W


Meanwhile look at Indonesia’s top city populations. 19 cities with more than a million and your population is 50 million less than ours.

JakartaSpecial Capital Region of JakartaJava10,562,0889,607,787+9.93%Including West Jakarta, Central Jakarta, South Jakarta, East Jakarta, North Jakarta, Kepulauan Seribu Regency.
East JakartaSpecial Capital Region of JakartaJava3,037,1392,693,896+12.74%A part of Jakarta.
SurabayaEast JavaJava2,874,3142,765,487+3.94%
BekasiWest JavaJava2,543,6762,334,871+8.94%Satellite city of Jakarta
BandungWest JavaJava2,444,1602,394,873+2.06%
MedanNorth SumatraSumatra2,435,2522,097,610+16.10%
West JakartaSpecial Capital Region of JakartaJava2,434,5112,281,945+6.69%A part of Jakarta.
South JakartaSpecial Capital Region of JakartaJava2,226,8122,062,232+7.98%A part of Jakarta.
DepokWest JavaJava2,056,3351,738,570+18.28%Satellite city of Jakarta
TangerangBantenJava1,895,4861,798,601+5.39%Satellite city of Jakarta
North JakartaSpecial Capital Region of JakartaJava1,778,9811,645,659+8.10%A part of Jakarta.
PalembangSouth SumatraSumatra1,668,8481,455,284+14.68%
SemarangCentral JavaJava1,653,5241,555,984+6.27%
MakassarSouth SulawesiSulawesi1,423,8771,338,663+6.37%
South TangerangBantenJava1,354,3501,290,322+4.96%Satellite city of Jakarta
BatamRiau IslandsSumatra1,196,396944,285+26.70%
Bandar LampungLampungSumatra1,166,066881,801+32.24%
Central JakartaSpecial Capital Region of JakartaJava1,056,896902,973+17.05%A part of Jakarta.
BogorWest JavaJava1,043,070950,334+9.76%Satellite city of Jakarta
PekanbaruRiauSumatra983,356897,767+9.53%



There’s only about 50 cities in the US with more than 500,000 and some are dealing with legacy subways built when their population and usage was higher.

The people in the suburbs many times work for companies that aren’t located in cities anymore.

But let me guess the OP author is a disgruntled Russian Communist upset that the Soviet Union broke up.

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Nope but the usual I was not far off
 
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Much of it is because most of our population and businesses are so spread out buses and subways aren’t financially feasible due to low ridership.

Remember we are now down to 10 cities with a population of more than a million people. We have cities with only a little more than 500,000 that have huge subway costs.

The people in the suburbs many time work for companies that aren’t located in cities anymore.
Enjoy you 19th century infras

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LOL! Enjoy our old 19th Century lifestyle. Call us when your people are wealthy enough to upgrade to our 20/21st Century one.

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Those houses can be found everywhere in China, it's nothing so special, but where do you find China level subways, high speed railways in US?
 
Much of it is because most of our population and businesses are so spread out buses and subways aren’t financially feasible due to low ridership.

Remember we are now down to 9 cities with a population of more than a million people and only 1 city above 5 million and none over 10 million even though we are the 3rd most populous country on the planet.

1New York[d]8,335,8978,804,190−5.32%300.5 sq mi778.3 km229,298/sq mi11,312/km240.66°N 73.94°W
2Los Angeles3,822,2383,898,747−1.96%469.5 sq mi1,216.0 km28,304/sq mi3,206/km234.02°N 118.41°W
3Chicago2,665,0392,746,388−2.96%227.7 sq mi589.7 km212,061/sq mi4,657/km241.84°N 87.68°W
4Houston2,302,8782,304,580−0.07%640.4 sq mi1,658.6 km23,599/sq mi1,390/km229.79°N 95.39°W
5Phoenix1,644,4091,608,139+2.26%518.0 sq mi1,341.6 km23,105/sq mi1,199/km233.57°N 112.09°W
6Philadelphia[e]1,567,2581,603,797−2.28%134.4 sq mi348.1 km211,933/sq mi4,607/km240.01°N 75.13°W
71,472,9091,434,625+2.67%498.8 sq mi1,291.9 km22,876/sq mi1,110/km229.46°N 98.52°W
81,381,1621,386,932−0.42%325.9 sq mi844.1 km24,256/sq mi1,643/km232.81°N 117.14°W
91,299,5441,304,379−0.37%339.6 sq mi879.6 km23,841/sq mi1,483/km232.79°N 96.77°W
10Austin974,447961,855+1.31%319.9 sq mi828.5 km23,007/sq mi1,161/km230.30°N 97.75°W


Meanwhile look at Indonesia’s top city populations. 19 cities with more than a million and your population is 50 million less than ours.

JakartaSpecial Capital Region of JakartaJava10,562,0889,607,787+9.93%Including West Jakarta, Central Jakarta, South Jakarta, East Jakarta, North Jakarta, Kepulauan Seribu Regency.
East JakartaSpecial Capital Region of JakartaJava3,037,1392,693,896+12.74%A part of Jakarta.
SurabayaEast JavaJava2,874,3142,765,487+3.94%
BekasiWest JavaJava2,543,6762,334,871+8.94%Satellite city of Jakarta
BandungWest JavaJava2,444,1602,394,873+2.06%
MedanNorth SumatraSumatra2,435,2522,097,610+16.10%
West JakartaSpecial Capital Region of JakartaJava2,434,5112,281,945+6.69%A part of Jakarta.
South JakartaSpecial Capital Region of JakartaJava2,226,8122,062,232+7.98%A part of Jakarta.
DepokWest JavaJava2,056,3351,738,570+18.28%Satellite city of Jakarta
TangerangBantenJava1,895,4861,798,601+5.39%Satellite city of Jakarta
North JakartaSpecial Capital Region of JakartaJava1,778,9811,645,659+8.10%A part of Jakarta.
PalembangSouth SumatraSumatra1,668,8481,455,284+14.68%
SemarangCentral JavaJava1,653,5241,555,984+6.27%
MakassarSouth SulawesiSulawesi1,423,8771,338,663+6.37%
South TangerangBantenJava1,354,3501,290,322+4.96%Satellite city of Jakarta
BatamRiau IslandsSumatra1,196,396944,285+26.70%
Bandar LampungLampungSumatra1,166,066881,801+32.24%
Central JakartaSpecial Capital Region of JakartaJava1,056,896902,973+17.05%A part of Jakarta.
BogorWest JavaJava1,043,070950,334+9.76%Satellite city of Jakarta
PekanbaruRiauSumatra983,356897,767+9.53%



We have cities with only a little more than 500,000 that have huge subway costs.

The people in the suburbs many time work for companies that aren’t located in cities anymore.

Imo I do think that we need more public transport and just generally more areas to walk places.

 

Why the US needs to go down China’s public transport route​

  • The convenient subway system in big cities like Shanghai and the country’s expansive rail network make car ownership unnecessary and exploring China easy
  • Investment in public transport in the US would not only fuel the economy and create jobs, but help low-income communities, reduce emissions and revitalise urban areas

Anthony W.D. Anastasi
Published: 3:30am, 22 Jul, 2023

After spending an uninterrupted three-and-a-half years in China, this summer was my first opportunity to return home and visit family and friends in sunny south Florida. I sold my car before moving to China, so this was my first experience of being back home in the United States without my own automobile.

The absurdly priced Uber trips, poorly covered bus routes and the nuisance I caused my friends and family asking for rides made me wonder how anyone in the US can live without a car.

During my years in Shanghai, I have never had the need to own a car. Shanghai’s 19-line, 802km-long subway system is an incredible way to get around. Not only has it saved me money, when compared to my life in South Florida, but it has also made me healthier, thanks to walking more.

When travelling outside Shanghai, instead of taking a plane or driving an immensely long distance, like I would have done in the US, I have taken trains. China’s traditional train and high-speed rail system is sufficiently developed, quick and very convenient.

My return to the US after spending so much time in China has made it obvious that the US should take a page out of China’s book and invest massively in public transport. Investing in public transport can fuel economic growth in the US. By expanding public transport infrastructure, the US could generate millions of immediate job opportunities across construction, operations and maintenance.

Additionally, accessible public transport connects low-income earners to employment centres, empowering them to secure jobs they previously could not reach. This inclusivity not only boosts individual livelihoods but also expands the overall labour force, fostering productivity and driving long-term economic growth.

Vehicles head east on a freeway during the evening rush hour commute in Los Angeles, California. Photo: AFP

Vehicles head east on a freeway during the evening rush hour commute in Los Angeles, California. Photo: AFP

The cost of car ownership is a significant financial burden on American households. Shifting towards public transport would relieve middle-class families from the hefty expenses associated with cars, such as fuel, insurance and maintenance. This surplus income can be redirected towards consumer spending, injecting vitality into local businesses and bolstering the economy from the ground up.

Embracing a public transport system like China’s offers a sustainable solution that would help combat climate change and create a more beautiful environment. By adopting buses, subways and trains on a larger scale, the US can significantly reduce its carbon footprint, leading to cleaner air and a healthier planet for future generations.

Furthermore, public transport networks eliminate the need for vast car parks, allowing for urban revitalisation and the creation of green spaces. Transforming these concrete wastelands into parks, gardens and community hubs enhances the beauty and livability of our cities.

A robust public transport system can profoundly improve mobility, connectivity and overall well-being. Efficient public transport offers affordable and convenient travel options, enabling families to reunite more easily and fostering connections between communities. It also encourages domestic tourism, allowing individuals to explore different regions within the country, broadening their horizons and nurturing a stronger sense of national unity.

Moreover, prioritising public transport can lead to safer roads and a reduction in traffic-related accidents and fatalities. By promoting walking and active commuting to public transport stops, we can encourage physical activity, combat sedentary lifestyles and contribute to better public health outcomes.

In 2021, the Biden administration was able to get a bipartisan infrastructure bill passed, which totalled over US$1 trillion in new infrastructure spending over a five-year period, with US$550 billion of it going towards new transport, broadband and utilities.

In contrast, China has plans to spend US$1.8 trillion in 2023 on large infrastructure projects, including transport, the expansion of energy generation capabilities, and the creation of industrial parks, a 17 per cent increase from last year. Needless to say, Biden’s bill does not go far enough for an economy as large as the US.

Though its history, the US has had a pragmatic streak, being able to take great ideas from abroad and adapt them to its local conditions, such as the interstate highway system. If there is one thing the United States can learn from China, it is public transport.
Hi,

The US transport section is controlled by car manufacturers and the US airlines---. They are seriously against any fast trains---.
 
Much of it is because most of our population and businesses are so spread out buses and subways aren’t financially feasible due to low ridership.

Remember we are now down to 9 cities with a population of more than a million people and only 1 city above 5 million and none over 10 million even though we are the 3rd most populous country on the planet.

1New York[d]8,335,8978,804,190−5.32%300.5 sq mi778.3 km229,298/sq mi11,312/km240.66°N 73.94°W
2Los Angeles3,822,2383,898,747−1.96%469.5 sq mi1,216.0 km28,304/sq mi3,206/km234.02°N 118.41°W
3Chicago2,665,0392,746,388−2.96%227.7 sq mi589.7 km212,061/sq mi4,657/km241.84°N 87.68°W
4Houston2,302,8782,304,580−0.07%640.4 sq mi1,658.6 km23,599/sq mi1,390/km229.79°N 95.39°W
5Phoenix1,644,4091,608,139+2.26%518.0 sq mi1,341.6 km23,105/sq mi1,199/km233.57°N 112.09°W
6Philadelphia[e]1,567,2581,603,797−2.28%134.4 sq mi348.1 km211,933/sq mi4,607/km240.01°N 75.13°W
71,472,9091,434,625+2.67%498.8 sq mi1,291.9 km22,876/sq mi1,110/km229.46°N 98.52°W
81,381,1621,386,932−0.42%325.9 sq mi844.1 km24,256/sq mi1,643/km232.81°N 117.14°W
91,299,5441,304,379−0.37%339.6 sq mi879.6 km23,841/sq mi1,483/km232.79°N 96.77°W
10Austin974,447961,855+1.31%319.9 sq mi828.5 km23,007/sq mi1,161/km230.30°N 97.75°W


Meanwhile look at Indonesia’s top city populations. 19 cities with more than a million and your population is 50 million less than ours.

JakartaSpecial Capital Region of JakartaJava10,562,0889,607,787+9.93%Including West Jakarta, Central Jakarta, South Jakarta, East Jakarta, North Jakarta, Kepulauan Seribu Regency.
East JakartaSpecial Capital Region of JakartaJava3,037,1392,693,896+12.74%A part of Jakarta.
SurabayaEast JavaJava2,874,3142,765,487+3.94%
BekasiWest JavaJava2,543,6762,334,871+8.94%Satellite city of Jakarta
BandungWest JavaJava2,444,1602,394,873+2.06%
MedanNorth SumatraSumatra2,435,2522,097,610+16.10%
West JakartaSpecial Capital Region of JakartaJava2,434,5112,281,945+6.69%A part of Jakarta.
South JakartaSpecial Capital Region of JakartaJava2,226,8122,062,232+7.98%A part of Jakarta.
DepokWest JavaJava2,056,3351,738,570+18.28%Satellite city of Jakarta
TangerangBantenJava1,895,4861,798,601+5.39%Satellite city of Jakarta
North JakartaSpecial Capital Region of JakartaJava1,778,9811,645,659+8.10%A part of Jakarta.
PalembangSouth SumatraSumatra1,668,8481,455,284+14.68%
SemarangCentral JavaJava1,653,5241,555,984+6.27%
MakassarSouth SulawesiSulawesi1,423,8771,338,663+6.37%
South TangerangBantenJava1,354,3501,290,322+4.96%Satellite city of Jakarta
BatamRiau IslandsSumatra1,196,396944,285+26.70%
Bandar LampungLampungSumatra1,166,066881,801+32.24%
Central JakartaSpecial Capital Region of JakartaJava1,056,896902,973+17.05%A part of Jakarta.
BogorWest JavaJava1,043,070950,334+9.76%Satellite city of Jakarta
PekanbaruRiauSumatra983,356897,767+9.53%



We have cities with only a little more than 500,000 that have huge subway costs.

The people in the suburbs many time work for companies that aren’t located in cities anymore.

Jakarta has been listed with 10 million people, so why your list put again South, West, East, and Central Jakarta ? While your list doesnt divide New York ?
 
The powers that be in US know the benefits of a robust public transportation to the public. They don't need a stating the obvious reminder from the author, it's just that the constituents of the powers that be and the only ones that matter i.e. uber rich, corporations and special interest groups don't need or use public transportation. Hence no incentive or need to invest in it.
 
Imo I do think that we need more public transport and just generally more areas to walk places.


public transportation is usually provided on the basis of need. This need may be influenced by traffic patterns and parking limitations. If you work in an area with little traffic and free parking you are liable to not want to pay for a slow moving bus.

For instance in my area many suburban bus lines simply disappeared due to a lack of ridership as suburban office parks with free parking superseded offices in downtown Boston with no parking. So few people were taking the buses to the subway end lines and the buses were running empty.

Of course the Boston subway now suffers because the ridership of paying customers is going down. The median income of city dwellers is less than the median income of suburbanites so the locals are less able to foot the bill for a fare increase to offset the ridership losses. The subway is in a death spiral.

To make matters worse the laws limiting parking in Boston revolved around taxing people higher parking fees for causing air pollution from gasoline engines. With electric cars there is no air pollution. So expect the parking restriction laws to be challenged soon which will lower parking costs and decrease subway usage even more.
 
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The powers that be in US know the benefits of a robust public transportation to the public. They don't need a stating the obvious reminder from the author, it's just that the constituents of the powers that be and the only ones that matter i.e. uber rich, corporations and special interest groups don't need or use public transportation. Hence no incentive or need to invest in it.

Why don’t you bring it up in your next town meeting where they are discussing how to spend your property tax money. You can say everybody doesn’t pay enough and they should increase it to pay for a bus route.

Somebody has to pay to maintain it…
 
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