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Why do Pakistanis love Kashmir?
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They are already demanding to become Fifth Province of Pakistan but due to UN Convention that cant happen there so they have to live with Semi Autonomous structure rather then a province within Pakistan. You need to get updated on GB and AJK before speaking about it and I can bet you arent even well informed of IOK( Indian Occupied Kashmir) even. If Pakistan withdraw its Army then India have to do the same as well because India is the Party to this Conflict not Observer and only then there is a chance of fair referendum with all options Kashmiris wanted.
That is completely biased crap becauise it mentioned Pakistan change its Demographics but FYI Pakistan Govt. Issued Separate CNICs to Kashmiris where it is mentioned that a person belongs to Kashmir so Changing Demographics is not possible on the other hand IOK's Hindu Majority Region is Jammu and Majority of its Population arent Kashmiri either as they are Mostly speak Punjabi rather then Kashmir Native Language Kashur. Pakistan have sizable number of Kashur population as well in north of AJK and Gilgity and Baltis are also Natives of the Kashmir region just like Ladhakhis and Kashmiris are easier to identify by their Language so the claims of Changing Dynamics doesnt work here.
Another thing is that no matter UN Resolution is on whatever Section its still UN Resolution and it declare Kashmir is DISPUTED Territory and its not just Pakistan that demands Plebiscite but Kashmiris as well so whatever solution in the end if its not acceptable to Kashmiris then its not acceptable to UN as well.
Chinese also have territorial Dispute with India which is Arnuchal Purdesh which was the reason of war of 1962 between India and China so India doesnt just have Conflicts with Pakistan only they have their hands dirty with other countries as well.
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Is there any law that prohibits Pakistani from settling in Pakistan occupied Kashmir, NO, right? So you in no circumstance can guarantee rights of Kashmiri people, And no you can not safeguard Kashmiri rights without any such law.
Who are you to say that people of Jammu aren't Kashmiri, what makes you believe that? Where did you read that, who told you that? Why should anyone believe that? Just because you say so? They are Kashmiri as much as any other Kashmiri, Just because they are mostly Hindu, and they hate Pakistan, that means you would not consider them Kashmiri? Or your intelligence in this matter is based on religious fundamentalism.
Like you said, GB is also part of Kashmir, and also part of problem , so how the F did Pakistan govt dare to gift that area to Chinese. Here you are supporting plebiscite in J&K, Did you conduct plebiscite there before giving that part in Karakoram Tract to China for free. What right did you have? Where did the Kashmiriat go then?
Who says it does not matter what resolution it is? You? beta it does matter what chapter resolution has been passed into. The resolution was passed in chapter 6. That is non-enforceable. unlike chapter 7 which can be enforced by UNSC with brute force, just like they did in Syria and Iraq. Resolution passed in chapter 6 are non-binding and dependent on will of BOTH parties, Nobody can force it, if we do not want to. and frankly we do not want it now.
We do not give a flying F to what you think.
J&K after elections is heading to prosperity and development unlike Pakistan. The only thing that remains unsolved is how does India get Azad Kashmir back. In time we will.
If you dont belong to Kashmirt then you wont be able to obtain Kashmiri CNIC Card on the first place so Pakistan have a system in place to identify Kashmiris and non Kashmiris which is under Monitoring from Kashmir Govt. what is there in India? Pakistani Kashmir is neither Economically important nor socially that important why would people even want to settle there on the first place?Its all Tourism that Kashmir makes money in Pakistan and nothing else.
Jammu People arent Kashur Speakers and rather then Punjabi Speaking Dogri migrated from Kotli and Mirpur. So get yor Facts correct first before asking me about Jammu people and AJK people. Kashmiris are easily Identified by their Language which is Kashur Language instead of Punjabi. So get informed about Indian Kashmir first before Making up stupid Arguments about being non Muslim doesnt mean non Kashmiris clown.
GB was part of Princely State of Kashmir and was Alligned with Ladakh and the areas that Chinese got wasnt part of Princely State rather it was Completely Inhabitant with no Claims as it was full of Kurakoram Peaks. If that is the criteria then what about LOAC of China and India?there is much Larger area of Kashmir which Indians have Given to China what about that?Our Kashmiriat is Alive by the support Kashmiris in India gave us for our Stance on UN Resolution and till they have this stance of deciding their fate by themselves according to UN Resolution our Kashmiriat would still be alive and all you Indians can do is coming up with Stupid Arguments and nothing else. You cant even able to remove Kashmiris stance in last 60+ years what do you expect in future.
Its not India and Pakistan but its Kashmiris that have kept this resolution Alive even if its not Enforceable but still this UN Resolution has put the STATUS of Kashmir a DISPUTED TERRITORY instead of Internationally Recognized Border clown. So no matter what you claim or me claim according to International Community Kashmir would remain Disputed Territory rather then Recognized one and one day or the other Indians have to talk about this with Pakistan if they want to solve Problems or if they dont then as they wish because their Pakistan Encirclement Schemes in Afghanistan had Already Failed and are bound for more Failures in the region
And what is that PROSPERITY actually if you can enlighten it. Pakistani Kashmiris have Access to get Education and Health within anywhere in Pakistan and even abroad but Kashmiris arent even Safe within India as well. Last year Kashmiri Student Case in UP is a proof of how much Kashmiris are even Safe in India itself then allow them rest of the World.
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why does pakistan need permission from India to hold referendum in their part of Kashmir? LOL
please Google U.N.security council resolution regarding plebiscite / referendum, and be informed that according to it, first Pakistan has to completely withdraw all it's forces, then India has to partially withdraw it's forces to the point where law and order can be maintained (not completely), and then and only then can a referendum / plebiscite take place..
when Pakistan isn't completing step 1, how can India jump to step 3 and hold referendum.. the ball is in your court buddy, or rather the ball has been I your court for more than six decades now.. ;-)
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Kashmir is rightfully Pakistans as they all seem to support Pak cric team and wave Pakistans flag.
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By that logic Bangladesh is also rightfully Pakistani.
Your cricket board had to ban Bangladeshis from carrying Pakistani flags.
Cricket board bans Bangladeshis from flying rivals’ flags - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
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What a poor, poor logic knowing the context.
Please also Consider Context because back in 1948 their was no Such thing called UN PEACE KEEPING FORCE so that is why India was asked to keep their Forces to its Minimum to keep the order. Since now Peacekeeping Force is already Available so Its Peace Keeping force that is allowed there instead of Pakistani or Indian Forces.
Pakistan doesnt even have enough force in Kashmir its India which has Stationed 300,000 Troops in Kashmir and Airbases there so Pakistan can Take their Troops back if India is ready to take their Troops back to its Minimum according to Population where they are no Threat to Peace(20,000 to 30,000) and it applies to both sides together not just India or Pakistan.
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Well the logic, poor or otherwise was yours to begin with.
"If a few Fans seem to support Pakistan's cricketing team, that make them Pakistani. "
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Pakistanis have an inferiority complex, throughout there history they have been raped and conquered by foreign invaders and have never produced a single empire. Only Turks, Afghans and British conquered India but Pakistan has been conquered by Turks, Afghans, Indians(Maurya and Gupta), British, Persian, Greek and many more. Today they want to look like fair skin like the invaders who conquered them and so they obsess over Kashmiris. It is a deep inferiority complex.
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