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MORE than half a century after the end of British rule on the Indian subcontinent and the creation of India and Pakistan - born through the Hindu-Muslim partition in 1947, the Muslims who opted to stay in India are still getting a raw deal in every sphere of life. Still drowned in the scourge of poverty and backwardness, they continue fighting the ever-haunting spectre of communal riots and threats to their religious and cultural identity. The sense of insecurity experienced by the Indian Muslims in the post-partition era has compounded many times in recent years.

The man who might have made a difference was Mohammed Ali Jinnah, known to Pakistanis as "Quaid-i-Azam", the great leader. Jinnah was 70 years old and dying of tuberculosis when, in 1947, he became the first governor-general of Pakistan, a country he more or less created after breaking off from the Indian National Congress. He thought their freedom movement was becoming increasingly pro-Hindu and chauvinist as independence neared.

But Jinnah was not an Islamist. A cosmopolitan lawyer trained in London, he wore European clothes, he drank (a matter of huge controversy in Pakistan) and he was married to a member of the Parsi religion, Ruttie Petit, who has since been written out of Pakistani history.

Perhaps the savants Mohandas K. Gandhi, Lord and Lady Mountbatten and Jawaharlal Nehru caballed to give Jinnah a ''moth-eaten'' Pakistan stripped of Kashmir and other choice territory. Richard Attenborough's portrayal of Jinnah as a cold fish in his film “Gandhi”(1982) is yet another subject of communalism.

Should there have been a Pakistan at all? On this point there remains a question of an explosive issue rarely discussed in the subcontinent. ''What if Jinnah were to come alive to see the mess that is his Pakistan?'' He asks, and then he answers: "It would still look better than Muslim life in Hindu-dominated India." With Hindu fundamentalism on the rise, there is enough evidence to back his assertion that pogroms, poverty and prejudice have dogged those Muslims who stayed behind after partition.

Jinnah would perhaps quote Dr. Balraj Madhok, former Professor of History at Delhi University who while explaining the term “Hindu” said, “Everyone living in India is a Hindu. Hinduism is no religion; it is the name of a civilization (Tahzib), a way of life.” In an interview with the New York Times correspondent in 1996 at Delhi, Professor Madhok said, “In this country we have never insisted on religious conformity and we are not going to start now. However, one we do insist on is that Muslims become Indians. They can worship as they like, but they must adopt this country's customs.”

A Gujarati Brahman, Daynada Saraswati, (1824-1883), openly raised the slogan “India for Hindus”. According to him, Hinduism was to be the sole religion of the subcontinent and the Hindus its sole master. The Muslims were foreigners. Hindu militant Bal Thackeray of the Shiv Sena and other militant Hindu organisations are thinking that Muslims have their own homeland in the shape of Pakistan. Countless incidents and discrimination can be cited against the Muslims of India.

The historic 16th century Babri mosque was razed by thousands of Hindu fanatics in Ayodhya (UP) on 16 December 1992. The government could have averted this tragedy had the law-enforcing authorities been more agile rather than being silent spectators to the demolition.

According to Indian journalist Yuvraj Mohite, recording his statement in the court at Mumbai, “Bal Thackeray, founder of Shiv Sena, ordered the massacre in December 1992 after demolishing Babri Mosque. The double-dealing Congress Ministry of the then Prime Minister Narashimha Rao at the centre did nothing to prevent destroying the 450-year-old Babri Mosque by BJP and VHP and other anti-Muslim elements. The Statesman of New Delhi (02 December 1992) reported, “The VHP and Bajrang Dal cadres were taught demolition methods by a retired brigadier of the army in a month-long training camp in a Hindu village in the Gujrat state. The state government had full knowledge of it.”

In an online article, the statement “Advani betrayed me on Babri” by Amit Sharma of The Indian Express notes that Kalyan Singh has come out with a point-by-point rebuttal of the charges against him. He claimed that L.K. Advani and other leaders of the RSS and its outfits had hatched a "deep and secret" conspiracy for demolition of the mosque and "these leaders had not only kept me in the dark on the issue but also betrayed me."

Discrimination of the Muslim community in services is another example of deprivation. According to a 1991 census, Muslims make up 12.60 per cent of the total Indian population. However, the representation in para-military forces, educational institutions and the private and public sector is far below their proportion.

The percentage of the Muslims in the civil and foreign services is less than a quarter of their population. Further, a white paper, prepared by All India Milli Council (AMIC) and presented to the then Prime Minister Inder Kumar Gujral, on the performance of the Indian Union during the first 50 years, there were only 116 Muslims out of a total 3,883 administrative officers (2.98%), 45 out of 1,433 police service officers (3.14%), and 57 out of 2,159 foreign service officers (2.64%). In the central government, Muslims make up 1.6% of all Class 1 officers, 3.9% of all Class 11 officers and 4.4% of the technical supervisory staff.

An official report prepared by Dr. Gopal Singh Committee shows a marked disparity between Hindus and Muslims in economic, social and educational fields. The committee's report based on a sample survey of 80 districts across the country, found there were only 92 Muslims out of 2,698 students in engineering colleges. The number of Muslim students in the MBBS courses in eight universities of eight states was 98 out of 2,895. Though the statistics are for 1991, there is no significant change as far as the Muslims are concerned in all spheres of activities.

Is India really communal? One may, perhaps find a clue, that the venom of communalism was spewed during the British rule when earthen pitchers were categorized as Hindu water and Muslim water.

An article by the eminent Indian columnist Kuldip Nayar “History a la Joshi”, further gives a hint of the communal and ethnic politics that has become deep-rooted amongst Indians. In the article Nayar writes, “For the first time in the last 40 years, where the International Trade Fair at Delhi became a factor, handicrafts by Muslims and Sikhs had been displayed at a section called “Minority Handicrafts”. Handicrafts are either good or bad, they are not tagged as minority.”

The Indian Muslims are in a dilemma, whether to accept humility in the form of Indian nationalism (based on secular ideas) or to preserve their Muslim identity.

Now, the question is one of whether Jinnah's Pakistan was worth the fight.

Was Jinnah's Pakistan worth the fight?
 
I'm surprised at the urge of this author to use the crutch of Indian Muslim predicaments to justify creation of Pakistan now. This is a big folly because the creation of Pakistan in itself resulted in many of these problems. This is clear to any neutral observer. Not to mention the additional problems were a section of the Pakistan's ruling establishment came up with the fantasy of "liberating muslims".

But still, Indian Muslims as per 2001 census have a higher literacy rate than either Pakistani(50%) or Bangladeshis(44.5%) at 59% overall. Just six percent behind the majority community at 65%.

The second richest Muslim in the world is an Indian (Azim Premji) who used to be the richest for most of this decade, and if go by the macabre statistic of people killed --- the number of Muslims killed in India during riots over the last 60 years is much less than Muslims killed in erstwhile east Pakistan/Bangladesh or present day Pakistan. Having said that there are no doubt many problems facing Indian Muslims, like any minority on top of the problems faced by Muslims world over due to the "global war on terror".

Still the more accurate comparison would be the minorities in Pakistan vs minorities in India. Isn't that what was the main crux? That minorities of India would be better of in Pakistan? And just saying outright that Jinnah was not an Islamist does not change the fact that the political Islamic ideology was used as a driving among others to push for the ML victory.

Besides the data used in the article is quite old and looks like a deliberate attempt when the sachar committee report and analysis is widely available with more upto date (still 2001-2004 data thought) and more comprehensive.

Here is an article that gives a overview of the Sachar report
The side of Indian Muslims Sachar Committee missed in its Report | ummid.com
 
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Well Worth it!Pakistan lives in the heart of millions of Pakistanis.
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Yes Jinnah's Pakistan was worth the fight.

How dare you traitor Bengalis post a garbage thread like this. Look how the the Hindus are cutting your traitor throats in everyway possible.

Mods close this stupid thread.
 
Yes Jinnah's Pakistan was worth the fight.

How dare you traitor Bengalis post a garbage thread like this. Look how the the Hindus are cutting your traitor throats in everyway possible.

Mods close this stupid thread.

Read the article carefully. It actually supports Jinnah.
 
this is a stupid article, which asks a stupid question. It was worth it then, its worth it now, and it will ALWAYS be worth it

ask any Pakistani on the street even the common man and they will tell you they love Pakistan --even despite the issues that confront us.


It is still a young country which is maturing I think. Despite the bad news, which international press loves to report about our country --many positive things have happened and we are ahead of many other developing countries in certain aspects.

All we require is proper leadership, someone strong nationalistic and progressive like how Quaid e Azam Jinnah was.


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Yes Jinnah's Pakistan was worth the fight.

How dare you traitor Bengalis post a garbage thread like this. Look how the the Hindus are cutting your traitor throats in everyway possible.

Mods close this stupid thread.

I can understand your sentiment but not need to call him a traitor because this person born after the creation of Bangladesh. Yes Bangladeshis are being bullied by Bigger Bharat and it is the reality of the nature. Bigger fish always eat the smaller one. We will either be vanish or survive but Allah will decide our fate.

East Pakistan is part of History but I as a Bangladeshi thank Allah every day that I born in Muslim nation. Pakistan project is more than worth it because Bangladesh is still fighting every day to stay sovereign Muslim nation against Bharati aggression.
 
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I'm surprised at the urge of this author to use the crutch of Indian Muslim predicaments to justify creation of Pakistan now. This is a big folly because the creation of Pakistan in itself resulted in many of these problems. This is clear to any neutral observer. Not to mention the additional problems were a section of the Pakistan's ruling establishment came up with the fantasy of "liberating muslims".

But still, Indian Muslims as per 2001 census have a higher literacy rate than either Pakistani(50%) or Bangladeshis(44.5%) at 59% overall. Just six percent behind the majority community at 65%.

The second richest Muslim in the world is an Indian (Azim Premji) who used to be the richest for most of this decade, and if go by the macabre statistic of people killed --- the number of Muslims killed in India during riots over the last 60 years is much less than Muslims killed in erstwhile east Pakistan/Bangladesh or present day Pakistan. Having said that there are no doubt many problems facing Indian Muslims, like any minority on top of the problems faced by Muslims world over due to the "global war on terror".

Still the more accurate comparison would be the minorities in Pakistan vs minorities in India. Isn't that what was the main crux? That minorities of India would be better of in Pakistan? And just saying outright that Jinnah was not an Islamist does not change the fact that the political Islamic ideology was used as a driving among others to push for the ML victory.

Besides the data used in the article is quite old and looks like a deliberate attempt when the sachar committee report and analysis is widely available with more upto date (still 2001-2004 data thought) and more comprehensive.

Here is an article that gives a overview of the Sachar report
The side of Indian Muslims Sachar Committee missed in its Report | ummid.com

Brother, You can not even sacrifice a cow during Eid. Do you still have any doubt if Pakistan or Bangladesh worth the fight?
 
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On the day of judgment, will Allah ask us did you sacrifice a cow on eid? Isn't sacrificing sheep and goats equally valid? And if you are poor, you are not even required to do so. This is hardly the standard to look at.

There are many other important issues than just that. Besides, this is only in N. India, in the south and east not just Muslims but Tribals, Dalits and Christians eat beef as well.

In comparison for example in Turkey, at least until very recently Muslim women could'nt enter universities wearing head scarves which is much more important than sacrificing cows
 
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In comparison for example in Turkey, at least until very recently Muslim women could'nt enter universities wearing head scarves which is much more important than sacrificing cows

Turkey finding it's Islamic root. They will reemerge Insh'Allah.

Brother we are better off as Muslim nation. You won't admit it on open forum but I know how you feel deep inside. I get to interact with Bharati Muslim here in the state. They talk....:azn:
 
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