War Plan Iran: China Snubs Washington's Best-Laid Plans

[Yeti]

choice or no choice for USA.. but for our people we have to make correct choice .. which is importing energy from Iran.. and Iran should help us by settling payments in local currency not in USD

Problem with that is they do not buy many Indian products so for them to take payment in Rupees it might not suit them.

 

[Nothing]

Problem with that is they do not buy many Indian products so for them to take payment in Rupees it might not suit them.

there is same case with mostly all countries who are buying oil... they are net exporter for energy ....
there should be some way for it.. if they want to go against USA they have to stop trading in USD .. at least we can pay them on time

 

[regular]

choice or no choice for USA.. but for our people we have to make correct choice .. which is importing energy from Iran.. and Iran should help us by settling payments in local currency not in USD

Yes! that will be great, cuz it is going to help the local countries and not the US $$....Thats the only way to bring US down without even having a war.....Insha-Allah......

 

[saiyan0321]

i am shocked that the three countries could do something similiar PP way to go asia usa needs to back off we need or energy all three countries and yes iran should trade in local currency that will help all our currencies in reaching and destroying the dollar

 

[Zabaniyah]

That was Arrow 2 and yes the Yanks blocked it but it was due to them wanting to sell us PAC 3 instead or it may be other reasons.

Israel have already attacked Iraq in the past and destroyed their nuclear station why would they not do it again? this time they also have the F35 and those fitted with Israeli avionics (if they want to) is one beast of a plane.


Only issue is will the F35 arrive in time? or can the F16's still do the job?

Iran is a lot further than Iraq. With Israel's current fleet, it's impossible for them to fly all the way over Iran and bomb them. Even with air-to-air refueling.

Unless they can use another country's base or acquire bombers. Both unlikely.

 

[somebozo]

its getting increasingly difficult and frustrating to pay back the money to Iran..These damn new sanctions will make matter worse... Why cant they sit together and try to solve the matter ..?

We need to move to all fashioned cash trading..put the money in trailers and ship it to Iran!

 

[lem34]

Its all about double standards. China had to live with India getting nukes, India had to live with Pakistan getting nukes. Why cant Israel learn to live with Iran with nukes?? The whole problem is that some Western countries and Israel feel that they have a right to dictate who can have what weapons?? Why?? Why can Israel have nukes and threaten every Muslim capital in the world with its Samson option??

Israel thinks that the rules that apply to other countries don't apply to it. Israel now shows no concern to the death and destruction that a potential war with Iran will cause. Israel does not care that 2.5 billion people in China Pakistan and India will suffer higher energy and food prices. What is it with these guys??

Why doesn't Israel renounce its nuclear weapons after all it could get by with America providing a nuclear umbrella to it. Why does Israel expect the world to accept its nukes but Iran cant even have nuclear power for peaceful purposes.

How can they have the moral high ground in this situation?

I say all countries in the hood support Iran and trade between themselves. Bartering is a realistic option. I say everyone should dump the dollar.

Yesterday it was Iraq today its Iran, tomorrow it may be Pakistan the day after India and then China. I think its time Asians stood up to the likes of America and say NOOO!!! Does America expect to get its way all the time?? Immaterial of morals or right and or wrong??

 

[regular]

Its all about double standards. China had to live with India getting nukes, India had to live with Pakistan getting nukes. Why cant Israel learn to live with Iran with nukes?? The whole problem is that some Western countries and Israel feel that they have a right to dictate who can have what weapons?? Why?? Why can Israel have nukes and threaten every Muslim capital in the world with its Samson option??

Israel thinks that the rules that apply to other countries don't apply to it. Israel now shows no concern to the death and destruction that a potential war with Iran will cause. Israel does not care that 2.5 billion people in China Pakistan and India will suffer higher energy and food prices. What is it with these guys??

Why doesn't Israel renounce its nuclear weapons after all it could get by with America providing a nuclear umbrella to it. Why does Israel expect the world to accept its nukes but Iran cant even have nuclear power for peaceful purposes.

How can they have the moral high ground in this situation?

I say all countries in the hood support Iran and trade between themselves. Bartering is a realistic option. I say everyone should dump the dollar.

Yesterday it was Iraq today its Iran, tomorrow it may be Pakistan the day after India and then China. I think its time Asians stood up to the likes of America and say NOOO!!! Does America expect to get its way all the time?? Immaterial of morals or right and or wrong??

Excellently said!!!
ThankU my brother.......The US and Israel needs to come out of their dreamworld and learns how to live with the civilized noble world peacefully....They can't enforce their law of jungle on the whole world. Its time for them to correct themselves........

 

[asianamerican]

India ignores US call for economic freeze, opens up Iran oil strategy

Jyoti Malhotra / New Delhi January 11, 2012, 0:08 IST

India has decided to ignore the US call to freeze its economic relationship with Iran, citing strategic national interest, even as the government is working towards a multi-layered strategy that involves reducing its exposure to Iranian crude, looking at intermediaries with third-country banks, as in Russia, and putting into place a rupee-rial barter trade mechanism allowing India to directly trade with Teheran.

As the Turkish bank, Turkiye Halk Bankasi, told Indian oil refiners on Tuesday it would no longer be able to act as an intermediary for their purchases of Iranian crude, India was already putting in place a containment strategy that would not offend the Americans but simultaneously assuage the Iranians about their continuing importance in India's view of the world.



The crisis is not upon India immediately, as the US sanctions give a six-month breathing space for countries to act. Second, the US anti-Iran legislation is framed so as to allow a US presidential waiver to countries if they show they have succeeded in reducing their exposure to trading with Iran. In fact, private oil companies like Reliance and Essar have already done so, leaving PSUs like Mangalore Refinery & Petrochemicals Ltd (MRPL), HPCL and Indian Oil now scrambling for cover.

With a multi-ministerial delegation headed for Iran on January 16, a rupee-rial counter-trade mechanism is expected to form the backbone of India's medium-to-long-term oil strategy with Iran.

Despite a burgeoning romance with Saudi Arabia, in which the Saudis offered Prime Minister Manmohan Singh during his 2010 visit larger amounts of crude, Indian refineries have continued to source a significant 12 per cent of their oil requirements from Iran, amounting to $1 billion annually.

Saudi Arabia remains India’s largest source of crude, totalling 30 per cent of requirements. But as the US attempts to force Iran to downsize its nuclear programme, it has opened the gates for a new great game in energy security. China, Korea and Japan have already announced that they will soon initiate their own counter-strategies by trading in their respective currencies, the yuan, the won and the yen.

The problem with India's barter system is that the Iranians may not want to buy too much from India, perhaps some tea, gems and jewellery.

If companies like L&T hope to sell construction equipment, oil rigs, etc, thereby helping use up the bank of rupees that Iran accumulates for the oil it sells to India, it will run the risk of not being able to do business with the US and Europe.

That is why a combination of strategies is being contemplated: MRPL, which has the largest exposure to Iran (about 142,000 barrels a day), is already reducing its purchases from Iran. And if HPCL (about 65,000 barrels a day) and Indian Oil (about 50,000 barrels a day) also do the same, they could qualify for a possible US waiver.

Meanwhile, India is in ongoing talks with Russia for third-party banking, with none other than the PM having requested his counterpart during his visit to Moscow in December, to allow the RBI to deal with the Central Bank of Iran through Russia's Vnesheconombank.

Meanwhile, India has re-opened channels with the top Iranian leadership, despite the recent tension with Teheran over our negative vote at the International Atomic Energy Agency. None other than Ali Akbar Velayati, an enormously seasoned Iranian diplomat, former foreign minister, as well as the current adviser to Iranian supreme leader Ali Khamenei, visited India late last month.

Velayati was in Delhi and Aligarh to participate in a function of Aligarh Muslim University. In Delhi, he met Vice-President Hamid Ansari, an erudite former diplomat and ambassador to Iran, as well as other senior officials.

The Indian side is believed to have told Velayati that the anti-Iran vote at the IAEA should be seen as a one-off event, and confirmed India-Iran's civilisational ties and inheritance.

As for the Americans, officials say India will largely ignore US unhappiness on this score, pointing out that if both countries are growing allies and partners, the US must also understand India's concerns.


Don't you just love it when the hood unites and tells Americans to get lost. lol

India might have some hope yet. At least Indian are more independent than lackey like South Korea and Japan, following Western warmonger against their own interest.

It is shameful that the world doesn't unite more against Western gangsterism and bullying.

Base on the events of this decades, Iran surely need nuclear weapons to protect its oil field and wealth, otherwise, it will attack and rob blind by the West.

 

[lem34]

India might have some hope yet. At least Indian are more independent than lackey like South Korea and Japan, following Western warmonger against their own interest.

It is shameful that the world doesn't unite more against Western gangsterism and bullying.

Base on the events of this decades, Iran surely need nuclear weapons to protect its oil field and wealth, otherwise, it will attack and rob blind by the West.

I have been pleasantly surprised by Indian government position. They have shown maturity. Our future lies with the hope this will not be the only move that China India and Pakistan make together and against external powers with ulterior motives who have no interest in bettering the lives of 2.5 billion population

 

[anon45]

UPDATE 1-India to cut Iran oil imports, may not seek waiver-sources | Reuters


It's fine if India continues to trade as is in its interest. We do not intend to damage India with these sanctions, which is why there are waivers for countries who depend a great deal on the oil.

That said, oil trade with Iran will be seen as less in India's interest as alternatives become available to India and the sanctions become more pronounced.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Nothing about being jealous im just pointing out how US could use arms sales to Taiwan to make China come on board with Iran as US does not have many chips to play with.

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Israel has the best technology in the world when it comes to agriculture you can google how advanced they are in this sector.

The best technology is the technology that fits your conditions. The best agricultural technology for a small, coastal desert country may not be the best agricultural technology for a large, inland, forested country. If China in 1950 got a hold of the J-20, or the Tianhe-1 supercomputer, would we suddenly be as good as 2011? No, the J-20 would just rust because it had no spare parts, and the Tianhe-1 would take up the entire country's electrical supply, and no one n the world would be able to program it. We learned our lesson doing business with Israel in 1998.

 

[Rig Vedic]

It is shameful that the world doesn't unite more against Western gangsterism and bullying.

Here is how some Chinese see it -

If USA needs help to contain india, China is ready to help.

 

[Sasquatch]

Here is how some Chinese see it -

Yes I mean Sino Challenger is head of the CPC now and his words are true

 

[Sasquatch]

India might have some hope yet. At least Indian are more independent than lackey like South Korea and Japan, following Western warmonger against their own interest.

It is shameful that the world doesn't unite more against Western gangsterism and bullying.

Base on the events of this decades, Iran surely need nuclear weapons to protect its oil field and wealth, otherwise, it will attack and rob blind by the West.

Both Japan are Korea are going to go along with this, they need Iranian oil however US asked Saudi's and other Gulf leaders to make up with Cheap Oil, they gave us a similar deal however we rejected this.