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@JaiMin,

Can you see how stupid, arrogant and very idealistic many Western-educated members behave on this forum.
They, without knowledge about dirty history of robbery and plundering of their host country, always talk big about how freedom make the West a land of milk and honey and despise all other achievements of countries like China or Vietnam. And reading comments on Guardian.co.uk, you can see how brainwashed many Westerners are.

Should we have any respect to people who get that kind of education?.

Read the below line:

Western press is worrying free, isn't it? @Spring Onion

"French police force journalists to delete their photos and recordings."
Wow so where is Journalists sans borders?

They always cry on freedom of press in Muslim countries and less developed ones but no voice over this?

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/paris-tourism-reeling-from-attacks-protests-with-more-strikes-planned.432902/#ixzz4ALUV8qMC

And in France, they even forbid Muslim women to wear burqa. How free is such kind of society?. China is far more tolerant on that aspect, although their ethnic Muslim are even more dangerous. .

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@JaiMin,

"French police force journalists to delete their photos and recordings."
Wow so where is Journalists sans borders?

They always cry on freedom of press in Muslim countries and less developed ones but no voice over this?

And in France, they even forbid Muslim women to wear burqa. How free is such kind of society?. China is far more tolerant on that aspect, although their ethnic Muslim are even more dangerous. .
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China shot and killed a lot of Muslims that do not report to the members of this forum.

There are some Muslim groups including children, not too dangerous, Vietnam borderguard was blind eye, let them to cross the border because they do not want them to be shot dead when be returned.
 
China shot and killed a lot of Muslims[/B] that do not report to the members of this forum.

There are some Muslim groups including children, not too dangerous, Vietnam borderguard was blind eye, let them to cross the border because they do not want them to be shot dead when be returned.

Yes, it is true, if they are crime. It happens everywhere in this world. But here, I am talking about religious freedom.

Partly thank to East Asian tradition of tolerance to religions, we have never had any religious wars, and radical members are few. This tradition are still lasting until today. I see that in Vietnam and China, no one is persecuted because he follows some kind of religion, unless he use religion to work against the government. It is different to the West, where people were, until WWII, frequently killed, put in jail or abused because their belief were different with the mass.

I see that this situation is appearing again now, as Western economy going down and people and government need someone to blame.
 
Thank you for your reply and sorry for my late response, as I was not in the mood to talk about this subject.

I did not pass the test to enter Hanoi-Amsterdam in 1988. My brother, who won the third prize in Hanoi Math Olympiad, studied at this school and then Hanoi University of Technology. He is ambitious and now developing many apps, hoping to imitate the success of Nguyễn Hà Đông, who graduated from the same University. (Just joking).

Regarding the quality of education, I do not trust the discussion in media now. Now under me, there are dozens of expats, who hold degree from Leeds, Pensylvania, KIT,...I do not see they outperform our engineers who graduate from Hanoi University of Tech, or even lower-tier technical universities, such as Hanoi university of Industry, Da Nang or Ho Chi Minh university ot Tech. In most cases, they underperform Vietnamese engineers, except in English skill.

Sadly, good English skill is a must to work for foreign companies, which in general pay more generously. Hence currently, people would prefer an Anglo-Saxon degree, whatever it is and regardless of quality, to get a well-paid job in Vietnam.

I am not sure about R&D, but for normal engineering works, I would prefer Vietnamese degree holders, who is more disciplined and generally, know more than engineers who study abroad with English not their mother tongue.

With regards to social subjects, like Finance, history, MBA, etc. I see that most Western degree holder are quite useless when working in Vietnamese environment. Their knowledge are very limited, but having a foreign degree, especially from the US, make them so arrogant that they cannot work well with others.

English is not only a must to work in foreign companies, it is crucial for domestic start-up and business to expand to foreign market and acquire capital it need to keep business running. You must know that start-up communities in Vietnam relatively fragile right? And our market also quite small so if they want to expand they need to go oversea, so language play an important role here. Moreover, ASEAN communities is forming and the FTA with Western countries open a opportunities for domestic firm so ofc English will be require even the staff is a bit weaker than is co-ordinate but extra language ability is extra point for him. I don't think you want to stick to domestic market only and eventually lose out in that circumference. It is just Demand and Supply rule

Next our country is export-oriented, which mean we focus more on making stuff to sell oversea, and growth come from consumption and investment oversea (AD=C+I+G+X-M) and government is doing supply side policy to become more attractive place for foreigner and achieve growth that way. In other word depend on foreign market. Like this
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About degree stuff, there are many kinds of degree in Western countries and it is judge by institution rather than public sector and as u said not every degree are worth it. Even more different schools use different curriculum and system rather than have national ones like in UK there are Edexcel, Cambridge, AQA,... And then degree sometimes can buy like in many part of the world, but cause it is judge by institution they will be more careful about their reputation and image. But even then many degree holder in VN are useless too, many of them just use relationship, power and money to acquire it from Goverment

R&D cover many aspect not just about engineering.

IDK but i agree with this article:
Obama, Perhaps Slyly, Calls Attention to Vietnam’s Brain Drain

President Obama told a gathering of young Vietnamese on Wednesday that the country need not worry about losing its most talented people, but then he proceeded to describe conditions for emigration that fit Vietnam perfectly.

“The places that lose talent, it’s where there’s a lot of corruption,” Mr. Obama said in Ho Chi Minh City at a town-hall style meeting of the Young Southeast Asian Leaders Initiative, a United States-sponsored mentoring program

Mr. Obama said that people despair of having to pay bribes to start businesses or do the things they want to do, so they leave.President Obama holding a town-hall-style meeting with members of the Young Southeast Asian Leaders Initiative in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam, on Wednesday.
DOUG MILLS / THE NEW YORK TIMES

Development agencies and businesses say they must pay bribes to Vietnamese officials for anywhere from 20 percent to 50 percent of the cost of a project to get it completed

Another reason people leave their home countries is environmental issues, Mr. Obama added. “No job is so important that it’s O.K. if your children have asthma and they can’t breathe.”

The United States Embassy in Hanoi, the capital, recently installed air pollution monitors, and during Mr. Obama’s speech, the level of the most dangerous particles in Hanoi was 158, which is considered unhealthy. High pollution levels substantially increase the risk that children grow up with asthma and weakened lungs. Heavy pollution also increases the risk of heart attacks and strokes in adults.

Mr. Obama said that countries with poor education systems tend to lose talent. Vietnam’s higher education system is considered poor, and many Vietnamese go abroad in search of a better education. More than 125,000 Vietnamese studied abroad in 2013, with more than 19,000 going to the United States. As part of efforts to improve Vietnam’s education system, the United States is supporting the creation of Fulbright University Vietnam.

  • By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS 2:33
    Vietnamese Singer Raps for Obama
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    Video President Obama completed his trip to Vietnam with a town hall meeting in Ho Chi Minh City on Wednesday, in which he discussed rap music with Suboi, a local artist.
    It was most likely intentional that Mr. Obama’s reasons for countries losing their most talented people were such a close match for Vietnam. During his three-day trip, which ended Wednesday, the president had sought to prod Vietnam’s authoritarian Communist government into loosening its grip.

    Mr. Obama also called on Hang Lam Trang Anh, a young rapper known as Suboi who has performed at the Austin, Tex., music and technology event South by Southwest. She said that “as an artist we have a lot to say.”

    “I want to know how important it is for a nation to really help and promote their art and culture,” Ms. Hang Lam said.

    Mr. Obama asked her to rap and even provided a brief beat by aspirating into the microphone. Ms. Hang Lam obliged in Vietnamese, and Mr. Obama asked what she had rapped about.

    “I was just talking about some people having a lot of money, having big houses, but actually are they really happy,” she said.

    Mr. Obama also promised that his commitment to mentoring programs would continue no matter who succeeds him, even if he has to support such efforts through his own philanthropy.

    “If you ask me what I’m most excited about in terms of my legacy 20 years from now, I would feel really good if I see 10,000 or 20,000 or 50,000 young leaders who are now taking over governments and businesses and nonprofit organizations,” he said. “If I can help facilitate that, that would be something I’d be very proud of.”

    The president then headed to Shima, Japan, where he met with Prime Minister Shinzo Abe ahead of Group of 7 meetings.

    Mr. Obama said he would use his visit to Hiroshima on Friday to reflect on the suffering caused by war. Mr. Abe said he had “no specific plans” to reciprocate the gesture by visiting Pearl Harbor.

    Correction: May 26, 2016
    An earlier version of this article misstated part of the given name of the rapper known as Suboi at one point. As noted correctly elsewhere in the article, she is Hang Lam Trang Anh, not Ang. The article also referred to her incorrectly. She is Ms. Hang Lam, not Ms. Anh.

If you know the Bloom's Taxonomy, most of school in VN deliver 2nd layer at best, moreover i already mention that just look at the macro level in labor market in our country, education on higher level is not perform really good and some stuff learn at school are not really crucial in real life for everybody, i mean the political stuff.
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The Guardian is only small group of UK population and they should be able to express their opinion. Western press can be manipulated too but the issue is that there are many different kind of press target at different segment in market and many are not state-owned and generally they are not strictly block opposition press or opinion to the mass. And you should know that there are many groups with different ideas what is best for their own, matter of choice. Also generally in Western countries like UK, they let student choose their range of subjects they want to study at year 7 or 9 and not every subject are compulsory except math and english till year 11 so it is expected some whom not interested in history and geography to be ignorant

MB we should ask other VN mem too? @BoQ77, @Viet , @Carlosa , @William Hung

Vietnam’s Evolving Role in US Asia Strategy
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U.S. President Barack Obama began his three-day visit to Vietnam on May 22. This visit is believed to have given an edge to Vietnam in the South China Sea disputes as part of the larger confrontation between the United States and China. As another article in The Diplomat put it, “Vietnam stands to benefit from the competing interests of the superpowers vying for control of the South China Sea.”

However, the reality is more complex. It must not be forgotten that Vietnam and the United States used to be enemies during the infamous Vietnam War. Only in 1995, 20 years after Vietnam’s independence, were relations between two nations officially normalized with President Bill Clinton’s visit to Vietnam. The Vietnam war exerted such significant impacts on both countries that the recent rapprochement has been phenomenal. The improvement in relations could only happen because the United States has developed a new strategy, the so-called “Pivot (or Rebalance) to Asia.”

It is, therefore, important to reassess the position of Vietnam in the United States’ overall strategy in the region.

Vietnam in U.S. Containment Policy

For Washington, the war in Vietnam was seen as the key to prevent the “domino effect” of communism. This theory speculated that, should one country in a region fall under the influence of communism, the neighboring countries would subsequently follow suit, like dominoes toppling one after another. As a result, the Vietnam War was considered a legitimate intervention by the United States to prevent the communist takeover of South Vietnam and subsequently Southeast Asian countries. U.S. involvement in South Vietnam was part and parcel for the U.S. Cold War containment policy.

Vietnam was turned into a proxy battlefield, where North Vietnam was supported by the communist bloc of the Soviet Union and China, and South Vietnam was supported by the United States. At the time of Vietnam War, Vietnam was a young independent country, gaining independence in 1945 only to be interrupted again by the French in 1946, and then having to continue the war for unification without any break after the Geneva conference in 1954. Vietnam in the 21st century is a politically stable country with positive economic development. Vietnam is a dedicated member of ASEAN and has established a wide network of diplomatic and economic relations around the world. Being geographically next to China, possessing an organic connection with Chinese and ASEAN economies, and appearing as one the two strongest claimants of territory in South China Sea, Vietnam holds a strategic position if the United States has the intention to contain China.

Thus, Vietnam has again become a vital element in the new U.S. containment policy at three levels. At the economic level, Vietnam is included in the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a macro free trade agreement, which intentionally leaves out China. At the diplomatic level, Vietnam is important in supporting the Philippines’ arbitration case against China regarding the disputes in the South China Sea and for emphasizing the cooperation of ASEAN countries as a legitimate regional forum. At the level of military containment, the United States has recently lifted the arms embargo on Vietnamand increased financial support for Hanoi’s maritime self-development. The fact that Vietnam is the only country involved in U.S. containment policy at all three levels (the Philippines, for example, is not included in TPP and Japan is not within ASEAN or involved in the legal case against China) shows the importance of Vietnam in the new U.S. containment policy, which is a great evolution from its unfavorable position during Vietnam War.

From U.S. Enemy to U.S. Strategic Partner

The first striking evolution of Vietnam’s position in the U.S. containment policy was the upgrade of Vietnam’s status from being Washington’s enemy to a strategic partner.

During the Vietnam War, Vietnam was targeted by the United States as a key to stop the “domino effect” of communism in Southeast Asia. Vietnam went through a deadly and destructive war with the Americans to achieve unification of the country. The country became well-known worldwide for being able to resist the advanced, high-tech power of the United States, and thereby completely shook Washington’s foreign policy with the so-called Vietnam syndrome.

However, in the 21st century, the position has changed dramatically. After the increasing aggression of Chinese claims in the South China Sea, the U.S. made a decisive decision to partially lift the arms embargo which had been imposed on Vietnam since 1984. Furthermore, Vietnam is also included in Washington’s new Southeast Asia Maritime Security Initiative, which aims to upgrade the ability of eight ASEAN countries to manage maritime challenges in the South China Sea.

Most remarkably, Vietnam is included in the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the U.S. answer to the Chinese initiative of “One Belt, One Road.” TPP is considered by some as an obvious attempt by the United States to contain China, due to the agreement’s deliberate omission of China despite its important role in trans-Pacific trade. The absence of Philippines in the list of TPP partners is also noticeable. While the Philippines is Washington’s close ally in ASEAN, with a defense treaty obligating the U.S. to protect the Philippines in case of attack, Manila is not included in TPP – but Hanoi is. This very fact shows that Vietnam is becoming more essential in the U.S. containment strategy for China.

From Passive Involvement to Active Partnership

Part of the reason for this change is that Vietnam enjoys a more independent position in the South China Sea disputes than it had in the Vietnam War. Back then, Vietnam was a small, newly-independent country, with few resources to manage the war with a U.S.-supported South Vietnam. The target of U.S. containment policy at the time was the Soviet Union and communism.

However, the United States allied with China to take advantage of the crack in the communist bloc, changing the structure of U.S.-Soviet-China relations. In the early 1970s, tension between two big communist states created the opportunity for the United States to intervene. The so-called “opening to China” process started after President Richard Nixon’s trip to China in 1972, greatly improving the diplomatic relations between the U.S. and China.

At that point, the United States could negotiate with China, persuading Beijing to limit support for Vietnam and the Soviet-Vietnam link. In the first negotiations between the United States and the People’s Republic of China, the Vietnam War was one of the two important topics discussed, along the Taiwan question, as Henry Kissinger noted in On China.

Vietnam was turned into a bargaining chip and the triangle of U.S.-China-Vietnam relations became a key in U.S. containment policy. In that triangle, Vietnam was the most vulnerable. The United States wanted to take advantage of diplomatic opening with China to quickly finish the Vietnam War, while China wanted to use Vietnam to bargain and gain more standing in U.S.-China cooperation against the Soviet Union.

South Vietnam, or the Republic of Vietnam, was directly supported by the United States – but despite that close relationship, Washington forbade the South Vietnam government from bombing the PRC when China took control of the Paracel Islands in the South China Sea. And China was ready to reduce support for Vietnam, like it did in the 1970s, if it was beneficial for U.S.-China relations against the Soviet Union. Vietnam was stuck in the middle, used as bargaining chips by big powers. Vietnam at the time had little means to decide its own destiny.

However, in the South China Sea dispute today, as an independent state, Vietnam has more space to develop its own position. That is not to say that Vietnam is completely independent from the influence of the United States or China. However, Vietnam can to some extent manage the level of cooperation and relations. For example, after peaking disputes in South China Sea, the Chinese government always has to follow up with diplomatic visits and attempts to reconnect relations. Xi Jinping visited Vietnam in October 2015, at a very sensitive point in their relationship. Though more symbolic than substantive, Xi’s visit showed that China did not want Vietnam to completely drift away from Beijing. On the other hand, Vietnam can also actively initiate and encourage military and political advances with India, Japan, and the United States to balance the relation with China.

From a Bipolar to a Multipolar World

The way Vietnam perceives itself in international relations, especially in the U.S-China-Vietnam triangle, dramatically affectsthe position of Vietnam in U.S. containment policy. In the past, the world was bipolar. Vietnam chose to be in the communist bloc and subsequently fell into a proxy war with the United States. There was no middle ground; Vietnam could not simultaneously ally with the Soviet Union and the United States.

That power structure has changed. The new world is multipolar. U.S. hegemony has been undergoing a considerable decline relative to new emerging powers such as China, Japan, Australia, Germany, India, and so on. In the new world order, Vietnam has the chance to choose a variety of alliances and avoid falling into direct confrontation with either the United States or China.

Undoubtedly, Vietnam could have chosen to side completely with the United States, like Japan and the Philippines. However, Vietnam decided to commit to a more flexible position. Vietnam cautiously avoided a direct confrontation with China by not following the Philippines in taking Beijing to court for violations in the South China Sea. Obviously, there is pressure from China for Vietnam not to join the Philippines’ case, but Vietnam was also aware that a court case would not work in favor of its geopolitical position. Vietnam prefers a balance between the United States and China rather than making straightforward commitments with either of the two superpowers.

Rather than totally allying with big powers like Russia, China, or the United States, Vietnam is simultaneously trying to enhance cooperation with many countries, such as Russia, Japan, India, and Australia. Many scholars give ASEAN special attention as Vietnam’s most favored form of balancing or containing China. While the future cooperation of ASEAN to speak as one voice on the South China Sea issue remains doubtful, ASEAN is expected to provide the most legitimate power and commitment for ensuring conduct in the South China Sea. Such a multi-dimensional outlook offers Vietnam more space and flexibility to partly form its own position and while keeping its importance in the U.S. containment policy centered on the South China Sea dispute.

What Next for Vietnam?

Self-development is the only way for Vietnam to insulate itself from the influence of major powers’ clash.

Vietnam is a small country stuck in the middle of confrontations by superpowers — in the past between the United States and USSR, and currently between the United States and China. Vietnam’s geopolitical position shaped the fate of the country as relates to U.S. containment policy in both the Cold War and today’s South China Sea dispute. In the 21st century, Vietnam has again become an element in U.S. containment against China.

However, this time around Vietnam has been quite flexible in adjusting its position in the U.S. containment strategy. Vietnam’s foreign policy on the South China Sea issue is an example of the evolution of an independent and pragmatic state. Being China’s neighbor, but with a long history of fighting against Chinese influence, pushes Vietnam into an extreme dilemma. On one hand, resisting China is the core of Vietnamese identity and nationalism; it is almost impossible for Vietnam to submit to Chinese supremacy and bandwagon with China. The two sides’ cooperation under the communist bloc already marked the best period in Vietnam-China relations. On the other hand, bordering China does not leave Vietnam the chance to ignore Chinese power and completely commit to a strategic partnership with the United States. After the liberation of 1975, Vietnam has always tried to balance relations between the U.S. and China, being careful not to anger China by over-intimate dialogues with the Americans.

Given the interdependence in the new world order, Vietnam cannot expect any committed support such as it received from the Soviet Union. The best position for Vietnam in the U.S. containment policy up till now is to stay flexible, multilateral, and independent. However, such a strategy is not sustainable.

Already, Vietnam is struggling to balance relations with China and the United States, in addition to being on the verge of losing its claimed territory in the South China Sea. Developing its economy and improving Vietnam’s internal situation is the only sustainable method for having a position in the South China Sea dispute. Otherwise, Vietnam will again lie at the mercy of the great powers’ game.

Linh Tong is a research assistant at ADA University.

@vtnsx
If VN govt serious for reform then by 2035 standard of living can be same as S.Korean in 2000's. You can read from WB . It is impossible to revolutionize in 5 years. Afterall Vietnam is late-comer in global development of economy and matter worse many of leaders during 1980's don't have many knowledge how to run economy, just search for Tố Hữu, a poet doing stuff about taxation, u can expect what is the consequence. Also many people in position in govt don't attain it by their capacity but rather by connection and relationship (chủ nghĩa thân hữu). And war in VN end like in late 1980's so it is expected left behind S.korea where war ended during 1950's and they not face much destruction and consequence of war like our
 
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bros, though finishing my study in economics and communications I become a bit too lazy to comment on this thread. I rather concentrate on military thread to keep active and silent readers informed. and as bonus, as well, for readers of a certain country in the north.

but anyway, a good news: a highspeed rail connecting Saigon-Hanoi is coming. feasibility is expected to be complete in 2018. work on the rail starts in 2020. technology, funds and expertise most likely come from Japan, Korea and Germany.

http://www.vneconomictimes.com/article/business/siemens-eyes-north-south-high-speed-railway

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I'm curious. What country did revolutionize in 5 years? Some countries' economic growth have been miraculous, but they all need much more than 5 years. Take the case of South Korea. The Korean war ended in 1953. After the South Korean government took the plunge and accept investment from the old enemy Japan, its economy grew fast, but it wasn't until the late 1980s that it became an Asian tiger. That's quite remarkable, but that wasn't in 5 years.

If you are curious, then google it.
English is not only a must to work in foreign companies, it is crucial for domestic start-up and business to expand to foreign market and acquire capital it need to keep business running. You must know that start-up communities in Vietnam relatively fragile right? And our market also quite small so if they want to expand they need to go oversea, so language play an important role here. Moreover, ASEAN communities is forming and the FTA with Western countries open a opportunities for domestic firm so ofc English will be require even the staff is a bit weaker than is co-ordinate but extra language ability is extra point for him. I don't think you want to stick to domestic market only and eventually lose out in that circumference. It is just Demand and Supply rule

Next our country is export-oriented, which mean we focus more on making stuff to sell oversea, and growth come from consumption and investment oversea (AD=C+I+G+X-M) and government is doing supply side policy to become more attractive place for foreigner and achieve growth that way. In other word depend on foreign market. Like this
AScurve.gif


About degree stuff, there are many kinds of degree in Western countries and it is judge by institution rather than public sector and as u said not every degree are worth it. Even more different schools use different curriculum and system rather than have national ones like in UK there are Edexcel, Cambridge, AQA,... And then degree sometimes can buy like in many part of the world, but cause it is judge by institution they will be more careful about there reputation and image. But even then many degree holder in VN are useless too, many of them just use relationship, power and money to acquire it from Goverment

R&D cover many aspect not just about engineering.

IDK but i agree with this article:


If you know the Bloom's Taxonomy, most of school in VN deliver 2nd layer at best, moreover i already mention that just look at the macro level in labor market in our country, education on higher level is not perform really good and some stuff learn at school are not really crucial in real life for everybody, i mean the political stuff.
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The Guardian is only small group of UK population and they should be able to express their opinion. Western press can be manipulated too but the issue is that there are many different kind of press target at different segment in market and many are not state-owned and generally they are not strictly block opposition press or opinion to the mass. And you should know that there are many groups with different ideas what is best for their own, matter of choice. Also generally in Western countries like UK, they let student choose their range of subjects they want to study at year 7 or 9 and not every subject are compulsory except math and english till year 11 so it is expected some whom not interested in history and geography to be ignorant

MB we should ask other VN mem too? @BoQ77, @Viet , @Carlosa , @William Hung



@vtnsx
If VN govt serious for reform then by 2035 standard of living can be same as S.Korean in 2000's. You can read from WB . It is impossible to revolutionize in 5 years. Afterall Vietnam is late-comer in global development of economy and matter worse many of leaders during 1980's don't have many knowledge how to run economy, just search for Tố Hữu, a poet doing stuff about taxation, u can expect what is the consequence. Also many people in position in govt don't attain it by their capacity but rather by connection and relationship (chủ nghĩa thân hữu). And war in VN end like in late 1980's so it is expected left behind S.korea where war ended during 1950's and they not face much destruction and consequence of war like our

I never said it was possible for Vietnam at current state. I said revolutionizing a country is possible within 5 years. It can be done.

Vietnam is never late. What is stopping Vietnam from growing is limited knowledge and planning from the top. The science & engineering are here and the tools & technology are here and available.

They can start building cars, planes, jets, rockets today. What's stopping these from happening? The people in power who are afraid to lose power. Also, bribes and corruption.

Rewards to top guys to lead projects who get things done.

In regards to reform a country. You can reform a country when you got the top people of the country to sit down and analyze every single details and aspect at every single levels to determine who is responsible for what and the person who is responsible for something has to be supervised by someone who is then being supervised by someone else, etc, etc. The system has to form a loop and this loop has to be balanced for it to function properly.

For example, a copyright has to be protected by law. The law has to be protected by the constitution. The constitution has to be in check by public (media, magazine, social media, etc). The constitutions are created by the government (whose responsibility should only be supporting the improvement of the constitution) and it has to be protected & monitored for any descriptiveness from the government by the public.
 
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@JaiMin,

Can you see how stupid, arrogant and very idealistic many Western-educated members behave on this forum.
They, without knowledge about dirty history of robbery and plundering of their host country, always talk big about how freedom make the West a land of milk and honey and despise all other achievements of countries like China or Vietnam. And reading comments on Guardian.co.uk, you can see how brainwashed many Westerners are.

Should we have any respect to people who get that kind of education?.

Read the below line:

Western press is worrying free, isn't it? @Spring Onion

"French police force journalists to delete their photos and recordings."
Wow so where is Journalists sans borders?

They always cry on freedom of press in Muslim countries and less developed ones but no voice over this?

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/paris-tourism-reeling-from-attacks-protests-with-more-strikes-planned.432902/#ixzz4ALUV8qMC

And in France, they even forbid Muslim women to wear burqa. How free is such kind of society?. China is far more tolerant on that aspect, although their ethnic Muslim are even more dangerous. .

.

To give a foreigner's perspective, I would say first of all, lets not generalize too much, such as westerners are / think this way or that way because we are all different. There is a bit of everything everywhere, the good, the bad and everything in between.

It is true that some westerners in Vietnam act in an arrogant way, I would even say mainly from a certain country, but it can also be anybody.

Its also true that many things are overrated in western countries, all countries and cultures have their pros and cons, some are better at some things, some are better at others.

Myself, I don't agree with the so called mainstream media, they do brainwash most people in many aspects, particularly politics.

It is well know in USA that the brightest students are usually Asian.

Again, each country / culture has its own bright spots and no country / culture is best on everything.
 
Let's put shame aside, copy what Japanese have.
Just like What South Korea ever copied, including the school books from Japan, the morning stretching exercises.

To admit, VCP Leaders restrict the development
 
To give a foreigner's perspective, I would say first of all, lets not generalize too much, such as westerners are / think this way or that way because we are all different. There is a bit of everything everywhere, the good, the bad and everything in between.

It is true that some westerners in Vietnam act in an arrogant way, I would even say mainly from a certain country, but it can also be anybody.

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In the North of Vietnam, generally westerners behave themselves very well, unlike when they are in other South East Asian countries. I think they know the history well.

Here I mean the arrogant attitude of some Western-educated Vietnamese or Vietnamese American.
 
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In the North of Vietnam, generally westerners behave themselves very well, unlike when they are in other South East Asian countries. I think they know the history well.

Here I mean the arrogant attitude of some Western-educated Vietnamese or Vietnamese American.

Ah ok, got it man.
 
If you are curious, then google it.


I never said it was possible for Vietnam at current state. I said revolutionizing a country is possible within 5 years. It can be done.

Vietnam is never late. What is stopping Vietnam from growing is limited knowledge and planning from the top. The science & engineering are here and the tools & technology are here and available.

They can start building cars, planes, jets, rockets today. What's stopping these from happening? The people in power who are afraid to lose power. Also, bribes and corruption.

Rewards to top guys to lead projects who get things done.

In regards to reform a country. You can reform a country when you got the top people of the country to sit down and analyze every single details and aspect at every single levels to determine who is responsible for what and the person who is responsible for something has to be supervised by someone who is then being supervised by someone else, etc, etc. The system has to form a loop and this loop has to be balanced for it to function properly.

For example, a copyright has to be protected by law. The law has to be protected by the constitution. The constitution has to be in check by public (media, magazine, social media, etc). The constitutions are created by the government (whose responsibility should only be supporting the improvement of the constitution) and it has to be protected & monitored for any descriptiveness from the government by the public.

In my view, Vietnam and Vietnamese have a lot of potential, but that potential runs against a wall, a wall of incompetent / corrupted bureaucrats that somehow always manage to make things difficult for everybody. I don't see that problem going away anytime soon.
 
In my view, Vietnam and Vietnamese have a lot of potential, but that potential runs against a wall, a wall of incompetent / corrupted bureaucrats that somehow always manage to make things difficult for everybody. I don't see that problem going away anytime soon.

I just wish/pray that these top officials have disease and heart attack so they can die sooner. I pray everyday for that day to happen bro.
 
I just wish/pray that these top officials have disease and heart attack so they can die sooner. I pray everyday for that day to happen bro.

These people are a cancer man, really a cancer, the tumor grows and spreads until the whole country is infected and people are powerless to do anything about it. Remove that cancer and Vietnam jumps to the top of the charts in Asia in no time.
 
English is not only a must to work in foreign companies, it is crucial for domestic start-up and business to expand to foreign market and acquire capital it need to keep business running. You must know that start-up communities in Vietnam relatively fragile right? And our market also quite small so if they want to expand they need to go oversea, so language play an important role here. Moreover, ASEAN communities is forming and the FTA with Western countries open a opportunities for domestic firm so ofc English will be require even the staff is a bit weaker than is co-ordinate but extra language ability is extra point for him. I don't think you want to stick to domestic market only and eventually lose out in that circumference. It is just Demand and Supply rule

Next our country is export-oriented, which mean we focus more on making stuff to sell oversea, and growth come from consumption and investment oversea (AD=C+I+G+X-M) and government is doing supply side policy to become more attractive place for foreigner and achieve growth that way. In other word depend on foreign market. Like this
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About degree stuff, there are many kinds of degree in Western countries and it is judge by institution rather than public sector and as u said not every degree are worth it. Even more different schools use different curriculum and system rather than have national ones like in UK there are Edexcel, Cambridge, AQA,... And then degree sometimes can buy like in many part of the world, but cause it is judge by institution they will be more careful about there reputation and image. But even then many degree holder in VN are useless too, many of them just use relationship, power and money to acquire it from Goverment

R&D cover many aspect not just about engineering.

IDK but i agree with this article:


If you know the Bloom's Taxonomy, most of school in VN deliver 2nd layer at best, moreover i already mention that just look at the macro level in labor market in our country, education on higher level is not perform really good and some stuff learn at school are not really crucial in real life for everybody, i mean the political stuff.
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The Guardian is only small group of UK population and they should be able to express their opinion. Western press can be manipulated too but the issue is that there are many different kind of press target at different segment in market and many are not state-owned and generally they are not strictly block opposition press or opinion to the mass. And you should know that there are many groups with different ideas what is best for their own, matter of choice. Also generally in Western countries like UK, they let student choose their range of subjects they want to study at year 7 or 9 and not every subject are compulsory except math and english till year 11 so it is expected some whom not interested in history and geography to be ignorant

MB we should ask other VN mem too? @BoQ77, @Viet , @Carlosa , @William Hung



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If VN govt serious for reform then by 2035 standard of living can be same as S.Korean in 2000's. You can read from WB . It is impossible to revolutionize in 5 years. Afterall Vietnam is late-comer in global development of economy and matter worse many of leaders during 1980's don't have many knowledge how to run economy, just search for Tố Hữu, a poet doing stuff about taxation, u can expect what is the consequence. Also many people in position in govt don't attain it by their capacity but rather by connection and relationship (chủ nghĩa thân hữu). And war in VN end like in late 1980's so it is expected left behind S.korea where war ended during 1950's and they not face much destruction and consequence of war like our

I agree with you brother.

But I’m not sure if I should comment in this thread, I find AViet a very funny and strange member and not sure if I should take him seriously. Nearly all of his posts are about praising the confucian/east asian/chinese culture and attacking western or other cultures, even when the topic is only about military equipments, geopolitics, education, etc. This thread is only for VN’s economy but he still managed to use it to praise chinese/confucian culture haha.

Its not strange if a Vietnamese praise confucian/chinese culture because I have seen Viets who are like that. Its also not strange if a Vietnamese hate the west because I have seen Viets who hate the west. But I find it strange for this AViet member to also attack India like the Chinese do and talk like VN is better than India. For example, VN has absolutely nothing on the same level as Indian Institutes of Technology, not even close! Our scientific output (e.g. science academic publishing or patents registering) is nowhere near the level of India, ours is low by world’s average. Yet AViet still claimed that our domestic PhDs and education is one of the best in the world. So I’m not sure if I should take him seriously.
 
If you are curious, then google it.

No. You stated that, and I gave the case of South Korea as counter-example of a remarkably successful country that took 60 years to get where it is now. There is no 5-year shortcut. It took the USA 40 years to get to a stage where it no longer be burdened by debts incurred during the American Revolution. If you have proof, please give it, at least a link that I can read.
 
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