US will lose possible war with China due to weak defense: report

[beijingwalker]

US will lose possible war with China due to weak defense: report​

Wall Street Journal
17 Oct 15:56

The US has already depleted most of its arms reserves as it has transferred them all over to Ukraine, with many ending up on the black market.

Citing the forecast of the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a Wall Street Journal report on Monday said that the war in Ukraine has exposed vulnerabilities in the US defense industry, highlighting the inability to face China in a possible war.

According to WSJ, reserves of M777 howitzers, 155-millimeter caliber shells, Javelin anti-tank missiles, and Stinger air defense systems have been depleted as the majority of them have been supplied to Ukraine in light of the war.

Washington, as part of the CSIS "On Future War" war games based on scenarios of hostilities between the US and China in the Taiwan Strait, reportedly exhausted all JASSM missiles and precision-guided anti-ship missiles during the first week of the pretend conflict - exhibiting signs in wartime conditions that the US defense system is not prepared.

In total, over $17.6 billion in military assistance to Ukraine has been supplied by the US since the start of the war in February with the most recent $725 million military aid package to Kiev announced on October 14 which includes more ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) and additional 155mm artillery rounds.

There are over 1,400 Stinger anti-aircraft systems, over 8,500 Javelin anti-tank weapons, 32,000 other anti-armor platforms, at least 700 Switchblade suicide drones, and an unspecified number of Claymore anti-personnel mines on the list. For the 23rd time since August 2021, Biden has used his Presidential Drawdown Authority to authorize the transfer of "surplus" weapons from the Pentagon's stocks.

The span of one weapon supply after the other often doesn't exceed weeks, such as a shipment on September 8 for $675 million in defense supplies and ammunition, then $600 million on September 16, followed by one on September 28 for $1.1 billion.

In addition to burdening the US with requests for aid, Ukraine is selling weapons it acquired from its allies on the black market due to the Kiev forces' limited ability to use them because of their lack of training, logistical challenges, and the diminishing size of the Ukrainian armed force, according to former senior Pentagon adviser Karen Kwiatkowski.

Just last month, the Pentagon announced a $311 million contract to Lockheed Martin and Raytheon to replenish stocks of depleted Western-supplied Javelin anti-tank missiles. While Washington's resentment over the EU's delayed economic aid to Ukraine grows, Brussels seems to disagree with the idea that Europe has been sluggish in providing funds to Kiev, recalling a recent statement of European Commission Spokesperson Nuyts Veerle, who said that Europe's cumulative aid to Ukraine amounted to around 19 billion euros ($18.5 billion).

Germany, the biggest European contributor to Kiev's military, pledged an additional $199.02 million though this time it's for aid programs for internally displaced refugees, claimed German Development Minister Svenja Schulze last month.

Despite pledging more assistance, senior EU officials admit that there will most likely be a "crunch point" in the fall or early winter when EU countries begin to feel acute domestic economic pain as a result of the crisis.

US will lose possible war with China due to weak defense: report

The US has already depleted most of its arms reserves as it has transferred them all over to Ukraine, with many ending up on the black market.

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[Goritoes]

No offense but, NOPE...USA when it comes to Military might is unmatched, only a MAD/Nuke War will defeat US but then the whole world would be dead as well so it won't matter.

 

[beijingwalker]

No offense but, NOPE...USA when it comes to Military might is unmatched, only a MAD/Nuke War will defeat US but then the whole world would be dead as well so it won't matter.

Depends on where the war would be fought

 

[Goritoes]

Depends on where the war would be fought

Dude that was decades ago, modern American Military is a beast.

 

[beijingwalker]

Dude that was decades ago, modern American Military is a beast.

In 1950 US GDP accounts for 52% of the world total, it's military was at its peak. China just finished century old wars and the war torn country had literally nothing left. Today's China is a different China from the one in Korean war era.

 

[Goritoes]

Depends on where the war would be fought

Dude that was decades ago, modern American Military is a beast. Plus

In 1950 US GDP accounts for 52% of the world total, it's military was at its peak. China just finished century old wars and the war torn country had literally nothing left. Today's China is a different China from the one in Korean war era.

Again I am talking about Military technology, US military presence back then was not that much, now they have bases surrounding China, Satellites , AC's groups, Submarines and EW which is unmatched, China can surely give tough time to US in their backyard, but on a global scale China is no where close to the capability of USA. Plus not to mentioned that been in a constant state of War US has far more combat Experience than China has, China has not seen any major conflict in a long time, so all that weapons/technology is un-tested.

 

[beijingwalker]

Dude that was decades ago, modern American Military is a beast. Plus

Again I am talking about Military technology, US military presence back then was not that much, now they have bases surrounding China, Satellites , AC's groups, Submarines and EW which is unmatched, China can surely give tough time to US in their backyard, but on a global scale China is no where close to the capability of USA. Plus not to mentioned that been in a constant state of War US has far more combat Experience than China has, China has not seen any major conflict in a long time, so all that weapons/technology is un-tested.

You should notice that the OP article talks about US fighting China in Taiwan and south China sea, not everywhere in the world, China has no interest in global domination, what you mentioned US weapons all have their Chinese counterparts too, and fighting Afghan nomads and losing is not much of so called combat experience to start with.

 

[Goritoes]

You should notice that the OP article talks about US fighting China in Taiwan and south China sea, not everywhere in the world, China has no interest in global domination, what you mentioned US weapons all have their Chinese counterparts too, and fighting Afghan nomads and losing is not much of so called combat experience to start with.

That's why I mentioned China can give tough time to US in their backyard, as for China's no interest in global domination that is fine but that Domination is the vary reason why China can not defeat US in a conventional warfare, China has very limited reach beyond its border and in a full scale war, US will bring its force in to the fight and in Navy and Air force China is way behind US. Now as for losing to Afghan nomads, you do realize that that was a different kind of warfare US was fighting ? it was a asymmetrical And Guerilla warfare, and dude if China ever had to fight in a terrain like Afghanistan Plus build nation, given the fact that Afghan warlords are corrupt and sellout, make no mistake your fate won't be no different than US. Although I agree that Wars US fought in Afghanistan, Iraq , Syria are different but they tested many many different war tactics in real life situation, something China has no experience with. And in a War between two giants like US and China, this won't be a Guerilla warfare, it will be an all out war so that comparison is wrong.

 

[beijingwalker]

That's why I mentioned China can give tough time to US in their backyard, as for China's no interest in global domination that is fine but that Domination is the vary reason why China can not defeat US in a conventional warfare, China has very limited reach beyond its border and in a full scale war, US will bring its force in to the fight and in Navy and Air force China is way behind US. Now as for losing to Afghan nomads, you do realize that that was a different kind of warfare US was fighting ? it was a asymmetrical And Guerilla warfare, and dude if China ever had to fight in a terrain like Afghanistan Plus build nation, given the fact that Afghan warlords are corrupt and sellout, make no mistake your fate won't be no different than US. Although I agree that Wars US fought in Afghanistan, Iraq , Syria are different but they tested many many different war tactics in real life situation, something China has no experience with. And in a War between two giants like US and China, this won't be a Guerilla warfare, it will be an all out war so that comparison is wrong.

I think the OP article is more about Taiwan scenario, China won't fight US in Mexico.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

US will lose possible war with China due to weak defense: report​

Wall Street Journal
17 Oct 15:56

The US has already depleted most of its arms reserves as it has transferred them all over to Ukraine, with many ending up on the black market.

Citing the forecast of the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a Wall Street Journal report on Monday said that the war in Ukraine has exposed vulnerabilities in the US defense industry, highlighting the inability to face China in a possible war.

According to WSJ, reserves of M777 howitzers, 155-millimeter caliber shells, Javelin anti-tank missiles, and Stinger air defense systems have been depleted as the majority of them have been supplied to Ukraine in light of the war.

Washington, as part of the CSIS "On Future War" war games based on scenarios of hostilities between the US and China in the Taiwan Strait, reportedly exhausted all JASSM missiles and precision-guided anti-ship missiles during the first week of the pretend conflict - exhibiting signs in wartime conditions that the US defense system is not prepared.

In total, over $17.6 billion in military assistance to Ukraine has been supplied by the US since the start of the war in February with the most recent $725 million military aid package to Kiev announced on October 14 which includes more ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) and additional 155mm artillery rounds.

There are over 1,400 Stinger anti-aircraft systems, over 8,500 Javelin anti-tank weapons, 32,000 other anti-armor platforms, at least 700 Switchblade suicide drones, and an unspecified number of Claymore anti-personnel mines on the list. For the 23rd time since August 2021, Biden has used his Presidential Drawdown Authority to authorize the transfer of "surplus" weapons from the Pentagon's stocks.

The span of one weapon supply after the other often doesn't exceed weeks, such as a shipment on September 8 for $675 million in defense supplies and ammunition, then $600 million on September 16, followed by one on September 28 for $1.1 billion.

In addition to burdening the US with requests for aid, Ukraine is selling weapons it acquired from its allies on the black market due to the Kiev forces' limited ability to use them because of their lack of training, logistical challenges, and the diminishing size of the Ukrainian armed force, according to former senior Pentagon adviser Karen Kwiatkowski.

Just last month, the Pentagon announced a $311 million contract to Lockheed Martin and Raytheon to replenish stocks of depleted Western-supplied Javelin anti-tank missiles. While Washington's resentment over the EU's delayed economic aid to Ukraine grows, Brussels seems to disagree with the idea that Europe has been sluggish in providing funds to Kiev, recalling a recent statement of European Commission Spokesperson Nuyts Veerle, who said that Europe's cumulative aid to Ukraine amounted to around 19 billion euros ($18.5 billion).

Germany, the biggest European contributor to Kiev's military, pledged an additional $199.02 million though this time it's for aid programs for internally displaced refugees, claimed German Development Minister Svenja Schulze last month.

Despite pledging more assistance, senior EU officials admit that there will most likely be a "crunch point" in the fall or early winter when EU countries begin to feel acute domestic economic pain as a result of the crisis.

US will lose possible war with China due to weak defense: report

The US has already depleted most of its arms reserves as it has transferred them all over to Ukraine, with many ending up on the black market.

english.almayadeen.net

US can just print more dollars to make more weapons. Other countries cannot.

 

[beijingwalker]

US can just print more dollars to make more weapons. Other countries cannot.

The OP article says it can't, US can't outproduce China in a war mode due to it's limited industrial and manufacturing capability and number of workforce.

 

[FuturePAF]

I think the OP article is more about Taiwan scenario, China won't fight US in Mexico.

It’s not just military. US strength is coalition warfare; across the full D.I.M.E. Spectrum; Diplomatic, information, military, and economic.

How does China plan to prevent being sanctioned and diplomatically isolated like Russia? (even if Taiwan is internationally considered a part of China, and an attack would be considered as a battle in an on ongoing civil war that never ended)

The OP article says it can't, US can't outproduce China in a war mode due to it's limited industrial and manufacturing capability and number of workforce.

Us capital and global capital invested into the US will fund setting up the factories to build up enough munitions and supplies to equip the US and it’s allies probably by the end of this decade.

For China, economic and the technological partita with not just the US, but the entire US-allied bloc is the only way to keep containment at bay. For that, the planned Chinese lead “Global Development Intitiative” and “Global Security Intiative” will have to build up enough friendly states to offset any risks to China imports and exports, as well as fund a new investment and employment destination for the average Chinese persons. This is on top of rebuilding the national demographics to sustain consumption. The dual circulation President Xi mentions if I’m not mistaken. Without these big changes, China will probably peak soon and then slowly decline like Japan over the last 30 years, only to become more and more at risk to global pressures. In that scenario, China may not lose a war in 2030-2035, but like Russia 30 years after no longer being a superpower they are facing potential defeat by a middle power like Ukraine.

The key to remember is the when the US makes a country their priority adversary, it’s the lens everything else is seen through. This has been the case for most of jot all of US history, but especially during the Cold War.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

The OP article says it can't, US can't outproduce China in a war mode due to it's limited industrial and manufacturing capability and number of workforce.

The entire world will stand up in queue to provide workforce and foot soldiers for US dollars and US greencards.

 

[beijingwalker]

The entire world will stand up in queue to provide workforce and foot soldiers for US dollars and US greencards.

This is true but won't make any difference , you do know that in Korean war US fought under UN flag with dozens of lackeys, don't you?

It’s not just military. US strength is coalition warfare; across the full D.I.M.E. Spectrum; Diplomatic, information, military, and economic.

How does China plan to prevent being sanctioned and diplomatically isolated like Russia? (even if Taiwan is internationally considered a part of China, and an attack would be considered as a battle in an on ongoing civil war that never ended)

US did launch trade war and sanctions against China from day one, to it's own demise. US embargoed and sanctioned Chinese space industry, did it stop China from having her own space station?

 

[gambit]

That's why I mentioned China can give tough time to US in their backyard, as for China's no interest in global domination that is fine but that Domination is the vary reason why China can not defeat US in a conventional warfare, China has very limited reach beyond its border and in a full scale war, US will bring its force in to the fight and in Navy and Air force China is way behind US. Now as for losing to Afghan nomads, you do realize that that was a different kind of warfare US was fighting ? it was a asymmetrical And Guerilla warfare, and dude if China ever had to fight in a terrain like Afghanistan Plus build nation, given the fact that Afghan warlords are corrupt and sellout, make no mistake your fate won't be no different than US. Although I agree that Wars US fought in Afghanistan, Iraq , Syria are different but they tested many many different war tactics in real life situation, something China has no experience with. And in a War between two giants like US and China, this won't be a Guerilla warfare, it will be an all out war so that comparison is wrong.

True.

US military in decline, threats from China ‘formidable,’ report says

Por Que No Los Dos....... This is what the Chinese want here. In case you are wondering, it means "why not both" Having a cake while eating it too is usually a losing game. :D The sad part is that after three pages, a simple concept @jhungary is explaining still can't be understood.

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