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16 March 2009

ISLAMABAD (AFP) – A suspected US missile strike hit the house of a militant leader in northwest Pakistan on Sunday killing at least five people, security officials said.

The missile struck the house in Jani Khel, in the Bannu area of North West Frontier Province near the semi-autonomous North Waziristan tribal area, close to the border with Afghanistan where US troops are fighting the Taliban.

"According to initial information, the identities of those killed were unclear. Neither is it confirmed if there was any high-value target," one security official told AFP on condition of anonymity.

Another official said five militants were killed in the attack.

The US military as a rule does not confirm drone attacks but the armed forces and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operating in Afghanistan are the only forces that deploy drones in the region.

Sunday's attack was the sixth missile strike blamed in Pakistan on unmanned US aircraft since President Barack Obama came to power, dashing Pakistani hopes that the new administration would abandon the policy.

Last Thursday, at least 24 suspected militants were killed in a strike, destroying a Taliban training camp in northwest Pakistan.

Timeline: U.S. Drone Missile Strikes On Suspected Terror Targets In Pakistan

June 18, 2004: 5 killed including Nek Muhammad (Pashtun military leader) in a U.S. missile strike near Wana (Pakistan). Nek Muhammad belonged to the Yargul Khai subclan of the Ahmadzai tribe. At the time of his death Nek Muhammad was accused of sheltering foreign militants from Uzbekistan, Chechnya, Afghanistan and some Arab countries.

May 14, 2005: Haitham al-Yemeni (Al Qaeda explosives expert from Yemen) killed in a strike by US drones in Pakistan.

November 30, 2005: Al-Qaeda number 3 Abu Hamza Rabia (Egyptian-born) killed in a missile attack by US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) drones in Pakistan.

January 13, 2006: Damadola airstrike by US drones kills 18 in Bajaur.

April 26, 2007: 4 killed in village Saidgi in North Waziristan.

June 19, 2007: 20 killed in village of Mami Rogha in North Waziristan.

November 2, 2007: 5 militants killed in an attack on a madrasa in North Waziristan. A missile fired from a U.S. unmanned aerial drone killed five militants and wounded six other people in Pakistan’s lawless tribal areas, according to a Pakistani security official and a local resident. The missile killed the militants inside a compound near a large madrasa, or religious school, that was established by Jalaluddin Haqqani, a Taliban commander with close ties to Osama bin Laden, a security official said.

January 29, 2008: Abu Laith al-Libi (Senior Al-Qaeda spokesman) and associates killed in U.S. missile strike in Salam Kot, North Waziristan.

February 27, 2008: 12 people killed in a strike near Kalosha village in South Waziristan.

March 18, 2008: 16 killed in a strike in South Waziristan. The attack took place near Shahnawaz Kheil Dhoog in the South Waziristan region on the Afghan border. "Initial reports suggest militants were hiding there," a military official said. Local tribesman Rahim Khan said at least two missiles from an unmanned drone hit and destroyed the home of a local militant leader and Taliban sympathizer who goes by the single name of Noorullah.

May 14, 2008: 12 killed including Abu Sulayman Al-Jazairi (originally from Algeria, weapons expert Al Qaeda) near village of Damadola.

July 28, 2008: Midhat Mursi al-Sayid Umar (alleged top bomb maker for al-Qaeda), and 5 other Al-Qaeda operatives killed in South Waziristan. The United States had a US$5 million bounty on the head of Midhat Mursi al-Sayid Umar.)

September 8, 2008: 23 killed in Daande Darpkhel airstrike.

September 12, 2008: 12 killed in Miranshah airstrike.

September 30, 2008: 6 killed in a drone strike near Mir Ali, Pakistan. The missiles struck the home of a local Taliban commander before midnight in Mir Ali, a town in North Waziristan - a known haven for the Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters near to the Afghan border.

October 16, 2008: Senior Al-Qaeda leader Khalid Habib killed in a strike. Khalid Habib was a member of Al-Qaeda's central structure in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Khalid Habib was reportedly sitting in a Toyota station wagon which was struck by a U.S. missile. On October 28, militants confirmed to the Asia Times that Habib was killed in the U.S. drone attack.

October 22, 2008: 4 killed in a village near Miranshah by missiles fired from suspected U.S. drone.

October 26, 2008: 20 killed including Taliban commander Mohammad Omar in a U.S. strike in South Waziristan. Mohammad Omar was a close associate of the dead Taliban commander Nek Mohammed (killed in a U.S. drone strike on June 18, 2004).

October 31, 2008: 20 killed including Al-Qaeda operative Abu Akash after 4 missiles hit Waziristan. Abu Akash was also known by aliases Haji Akasha Khan, Abdur Rehman and Iraqi Malang. He was born in Iraq. The building that was hit by U.S. missiles was thought to be a militant hideout. Also other foreign militants were killed in the drone strike, according to officials.

November 14, 2008: 12 killed in a strike near Miranshah. A drone fired two missiles onto the house of a local tribesman in a border village near Miranshah, which has been the main target for US strikes in the recent months. A security official said 9 foreign militants - believed to be al-Qaeda fighters - were among those killed in the strike.

November 22, 2008: British Al-Qaeda operative Rashid Rauf and 4 others including Abu Zubair al-Masri (Top Al-Qaeda explosives expert originally from Egypt) killed in a US missile strike in North Waziristan.

December 22, 2008: At least 8 killed in South Waziristan by suspected US drone strikes. Pakistani intelligence sources said they believed the extremists killed were members of local Pakistani Taliban groups. Three U.S. missiles reportedly targeted vehicles mounted with anti-aircraft guns, according to Pakistani intelligence sources and local officials.

January 1, 2009: 2 senior Al-Qaeda leaders Fahid Mohammed Ally Msalam & Sheikh Ahmed Salim Swedan killed in Pakistan in a missile strike by US drones. (Both were Kenyans on the FBI's list of Most Wanted Terrorists in the United States for their part in the 1998 United States embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.)

January 23, 2009: In the first attacks since Barack Obama became president at least 14 killed in Waziristan in 2 separate attacks by 5 missiles fired from drones on suspected terrorist hideouts.

February 14, 2009: More than 30 killed (including Taliban and Al-Qaeda members according to a Pakistani intelligence official and residents of the area) when two missiles are launched by CIA drones into Pakistan near town of Makeen in South Waziristan. Dozens of followers of Pakistan's top Taliban leader, Baitullah Mehsud, were staying in the housing compound in the village when it was hit by U.S. missiles.

February 16, 2009: Strike in Kurram Valley kills 30. The missile attack targeted a house used by a Taliban commander in Kurram

March 1, 2009: Strike in Sararogha village in South Waziristan kills seven suspected Islamic militants. "It was a Taleban sanctuary, which was destroyed in the attack," an unnamed Pakistani security official told AFP news agency. "Some foreigners were possibly among those killed, including Uzbeks and Arabs".

March 12, 2009: At least 24 Local Taliban killed. U.S. Missile Attack Targets Suspected Militant Hideout in Pakistan. Four missiles believed to have been fired by at least two pilotless U.S. drone aircraft hit a militant hideout and training camp in the Kurram tribal region on the Afghan border.

March 15, 2009: U.S. Drone Missile Strike Kills 4 in Pakistan. A missile strike from a remotely piloted American aircraft hit the house of a local militant commander in the Frontier Region Bannu killing four people, including two Arabs, residents and intelligence officials said.

March 25, 2009: Seven killed in attacks on 2 vehicles by two missiles in Makin area of South Waziristan at 18:30 o'clock.

March 26, 2009: 4 killed in Essokhel area in North Waziristan. A suspected US missile strike killed at least four militants in a tribal region of Pakistan near the border with Afghanistan,
officials said on Thursday.

April 1, 2009: 14 killed in Orakzai Agency tribal area. The missile hit a house in Orakzai tribal area. Residents and local journalists said the house had been converted into a Taleban camp.

April 4, 2009: 13 killed in North Waziristan. A pilotless U.S. drone aircraft fired a missile in northwest Pakistan on Saturday, killing 13 people including some foreign militants, security officials and residents said.

April 8, 2009: 4 killed in attack on a vehicle in Gangi Khel in South Waziristan.

April 19, 2009: At least 3 killed and 5 injured in an attack in South Waziristan.A suspected US missile attack targeted a Taleban base in north-west Pakistan.

April 29, 2009: A missile strike by a suspected US drone on Wednesday killed at least 6 militants in northwest Pakistan's tribal area bordering Afghanistan, officials said.

May 9, 2009: strike in Sararogha in South Waziristan kills 6 militants.

May 12, 2009: strike in Sra Khawra village in South Waziristan kills 8 militants.

American Viewpoint
Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) generally does not comment on these attacks as per its policy. Barack Obama authorized the continuation of these strikes after he became President. Top US officials consider these strikes very successful and believe that the senior Al-Qaeda leadership has been decimated by these strikes. An account of high value targets eliminated by drones was provided to Pakistan in 2009. President Obama has broadened these attacks to include targets seeking to destabilize Pakistani civilian government and the attacks of February 14 & 16, 2009 were against training camps run by Baitullah Mehsud. On February 25, 2009 Leon Panetta director of CIA indicated these strikes will continue. On March 4, 2009 The Washington Times reported that the drones were targetting Baitullah Mehsud.

 
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Always amazing that no hard info on who is killed ever comes out. This fact is ample demonstration that these drone strikes occur where Pakistani sovereignty, the writ of the GoP, is weak or non-existent.

I don't think it is necessary to append the drone strike timeline info anymore. We have thread after thread showing all the drone strike stories. Also the drone photo is no longer needed.... save the PDF memory space.
 
Always amazing that no hard info on who is killed ever comes out.

Not just info is needed. They need to name names, and get confirmation.

Noone believes these reports on the ground.

Who exactly they are trying to cater to is difficult to work out. It's certainly not Pakistani locals.

They need to establish concretely that foreigner X or local X who was a terrorist was living in that house.

Blowing a house up and saying, "but they were all bad", is just an excuse.

Evidences are what is needed. Surveillance. This sort of crap wouldn't be acceptable in any other country, there'd be revolution.
 
Always amazing that no hard info on who is killed ever comes out. This fact is ample demonstration that these drone strikes occur where Pakistani sovereignty, the writ of the GoP, is weak or non-existent.

I don't think it is necessary to append the drone strike timeline info anymore. We have thread after thread showing all the drone strike stories. Also the drone photo is no longer needed.... save the PDF memory space.
Without details everything has become suspect. Expect the government to be taken to court on this now that we have an independent judiciary. If the government is found to be in cahoots with the Americans, which they are as per scores of articles, well...

The answer to lack of control or weak control is not to outsource the job to foreign assassins. The answer is to establish control. As per Pakistani law, this is high treason for any one involved!

The pandora's box is open and US imperialism in Pakistan, inshAllah, would be one of the casualties of justice! I can foresee the US media would try to play this as "Islamists kicking out Pro-US government", but it would fail since these are moderates, hardly any religiosity in them. It will be very hard to fake this claim. Yes they are no US stooges and good riddance to all traitors.
 
I could see a court decision mandating a break in all intelligence-sharing with the United States. It would, naturally, place Kiyani again in a difficult position.

He knows the effectiveness of these missions since your role increased. He knows that a court decision won't stop our operations. He knows they'll simply proceed with the best available information but not the best information available...

...and he'll quietly regret as much.
 
I could see a court decision mandating a break in all intelligence-sharing with the United States. It would, naturally, place Kiyani again in a difficult position.

He knows the effectiveness of these missions since your role increased. He knows that a court decision won't stop our operations. He knows they'll simply proceed with the best available information but not the best information available...

...and he'll quietly regret as much.
If the government supports drone strikes it must do it openly. So if there are any screw ups it should be dealt with. And if any point the strikes are deemed illegal, the courts can put pressure in many ways for the government to prevent them. You can't disagree that more innocents are killed than actual terrorists. No significant terrorist has been killed since the US decided to launch this invasion of our sovereignty.

If the people want these drone strikes to stop, then the government must act according to the people's mandate!
 
He knows the effectiveness of these missions since your role increased.

If you have some graph paper, this is what I suggest.

Plot two axes, one x, one y.

On the x, label it time from 2002 onwards, on the Y, label it number of drone strikes/people killed by drone strikes.

On a second graph, repeat, except on the Y, label it combined Taliban related violence in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Now overlay the two graphs. See if you can finally get the correlation.

A big fat +1 on the correlation coefficient scale.
 
If the government supports drone strikes it must do it openly. So if there are any screw ups it should be dealt with. And if any point the strikes are deemed illegal, the courts can put pressure in many ways for the government to prevent them. You can't disagree that more innocents are killed than actual terrorists. No significant terrorist has been killed since the US decided to launch this invasion of our sovereignty.

If the people want these drone strikes to stop, then the government must act according to the people's mandate!


First of all isn't there big question mark in distinguishing between terrorist and civilians in these area, beside women and children. I don't think even Pakistan establishment or the army knows the difference. Case in point is around Bajur area there are towns that are completly grounded to weed out these talibs.
 
roadrunner,

False analogy.

Overlay a graph of girls schools closings over the same period with taliban violence. Was there an increase in violent acts because of an anger with the closings of schools or did schools close because of taliban violence?

What conclusions do you draw now?

"You can't disagree that more innocents are killed than actual terrorists."

Please provide your best count of those killed by PREDATOR/REAPER to resolve this because it is disputable and I'd like to know on what basis you make such a firm comment?

Any clearinghouse or a collection of links to articles but some summary that you believe accounts for both the missions executed and the casualties resulting. I know that we've got some blogs flying around that seem to account for many of these missions but perhaps not all. If pro-PREDATOR blogs such as the Long War Journal, maybe they've excluded attacks that have gone terribly wrong.

It'd help both you and I in our arguments. I, of course, can forewarn you that I'd expect innocents and readily presume any child or women to be such. 12-14 is where it'll get fuzzy to me, depending on the target.

"No significant terrorist has been killed since the US decided to launch this invasion of our sovereignty."

You mean that Zawahiri, Omar, nor OBL have been killed because, short of that, the claimed targets have carried significant terrorist pedigrees.

You've got an agenda against this though fully knowing that a foreign army has been provided sanctuary on your borders since late 2001. Somehow, Asim, that rarely appears in your thoughts. It weakens terribly your thoughts on sovereign rights.

I continue to implore you, Asim, to lead your nation to make a clean break with America and declare yourselves free of our civil and military aid. Even, indeed, a declaration of war upon Afghanistan and her allies to defend the Durand Line from encroachment and the skies above you.

So long, though, that attacks routinely eminate from the Islamic Republic of Pashtunistan upon the people and government of Afghanistan as well as NATO you know that PREDATOR will continue flying-regardless of any Pakistani court decision.

I look forward to your tally...just for kicks n' grins.;)
 
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You can't disagree that more innocents are killed than actual terrorists. No significant terrorist has been killed since the US decided to launch this invasion of our sovereignty.

Yes, I do disagree that more innocents have been killed then terrorists. I think the reverse is true. As far as high value targets, I posted the following on one of the drone threads in early February before the latest strikes: (http://www.defence.pk/forums/war-terror/20636-time-running-short-drone-strikes-pakistan-10.html)

Drone strikes killed high-value targets, US tells Pakistan


By Anwar Iqbal, Dawn, February 9, 2009

WASHINGTON, Feb 8: The United States wants to continue drone strikes inside Pakistan’s tribal areas because US military experts believe the strikes have killed a large number of Al Qaeda leaders and local militants and have destroyed their hideouts.

A US account of the strikes, conveyed to Pakistan and obtained by Dawn, depicts a picture which is very different from the public perception in Pakistan that the strikes only kill innocent civilians and children.

The document includes information conveyed to Washington by US military officials in Afghanistan about more than a dozen drone attacks carried out by US unmanned aircraft since December 2007.

The document identifies militant leaders as HVT or high value targets.

According to this document, on Dec 3, 2007, a Predator strike injured Shaykh Issa al-Masri in Jani Khel, Bannu.

On Jan 28, 2008, a Predator killed HVT Abu Layth Al-Libi and associates in Salam Kot, North Waziristan.

On Feb 27, 2008, a drone killed foreign Al Qaeda trainees. On March 16, 2008, more Al Qaeda trainees were killed. The document does not identify those killed in these attacks and does not reveal the places hit by the drones.

On May 14, 2008, a Predator killed HVT Abu Sulayman Al-Jazairi and associates in Damadola, Bajaur.

On July 28, 2008, a Predator strike killed HVT Abu Khabab Al-Masri and other Al Qaeda activists.

On Aug 12, 2008, a Predator killed foreign fighters and militants associated with HVT Usama Al-Kini and commander Nazir.

On Aug 20, 2008, a drone killed and injured multiple foreign Al Qaeda members and local associates, including some Haqqani network associates. An Al Qaeda facilitator Haji Yacoub was injured.

On Aug 27, 2008, a Predator attempted to target an Al Qaeda-associated meeting but missed target. It did not cause collateral damage.

On Aug 30, 2008, a Predator strike killed Al Qaeda paramilitary operatives subordinate to Al Qaeda commander and East Africa Embassy bomber Usama Al Kini.On Aug 31, 2008, a Predator killed several Al Qaeda operatives, including two prominent Al Qaeda paramilitary commanders.

On Sept 2, 2008, a Predator killed four to 10 persons associated with Al Qaeda commander and logistician Abu Wafa Al Saudi.

On Sept 4, 2008, a Predator strike killed Abu Wafa Al Saudi.

On Sept 8, 2008, a Predator killed several Haqqani sub-commanders and a number of Arabs. Members of the extended Haqqani family were killed.

On Sept 11, 2008, a Predator killed 10 to 15 militants associated with Al Qaeda facilitator Qari Imran’s training camp.

On Sept 17, 2008, a Predator killed 4-6 militants delivering rockets to a militant camp near the Afghan border and probably HVT Abu Ubaydh Al Tunisi.

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September 30, 2008: 6 killed in a drone strike near Mir Ali, Pakistan. The missiles struck the home of a local Taliban commander before midnight in Mir Ali, a town in North Waziristan - a known haven for the Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters near to the Afghan border.

October 16, 2008: Senior Al-Qaeda leader Khalid Habib killed in a strike. Khalid Habib was a member of Al-Qaeda's central structure in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Khalid Habib was reportedly sitting in a Toyota station wagon which was struck by a U.S. missile. On October 28, militants confirmed to the Asia Times that Habib was killed in the U.S. drone attack.

October 22, 2008: 4 killed in a village near Miranshah by missiles fired from suspected U.S. drone.

October 26, 2008: 20 killed including Taliban commander Mohammad Omar in a U.S. strike in South Waziristan. Mohammad Omar was a close associate of the dead Taliban commander Nek Mohammed (killed in a U.S. drone strike on June 18, 2004).

October 31, 2008: 20 killed including Al-Qaeda operative Abu Akash after 4 missiles hit Waziristan. Abu Akash was also known by aliases Haji Akasha Khan, Abdur Rehman and Iraqi Malang. He was born in Iraq. The building that was hit by U.S. missiles was thought to be a militant hideout. Also other foreign militants were killed in the drone strike, according to officials.

November 14, 2008: 12 killed in a strike near Miranshah. A drone fired two missiles onto the house of a local tribesman in a border village near Miranshah, which has been the main target for US strikes in the recent months. A security official said 9 foreign militants - believed to be al-Qaeda fighters - were among those killed in the strike.

November 22, 2008: British Al-Qaeda operative Rashid Rauf and 4 others including Abu Zubair al-Masri (Top Al-Qaeda explosives expert originally from Egypt) killed in a US missile strike in North Waziristan.

December 22, 2008: At least 8 killed in South Waziristan by suspected US drone strikes. Pakistani intelligence sources said they believed the extremists killed were members of local Pakistani Taliban groups. Three U.S. missiles reportedly targeted vehicles mounted with anti-aircraft guns, according to Pakistani intelligence sources and local officials.

January 1, 2009: 2 senior Al-Qaeda leaders Fahid Mohammed Ally Msalam & Sheikh Ahmed Salim Swedan killed in Pakistan in a missile strike by US drones. (Both were Kenyans on the FBI's list of Most Wanted Terrorists in the United States for their part in the 1998 United States embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.)

January 23, 2009: In the first attacks since Barack Obama became president at least 14 killed in Waziristan in 2 separate attacks by 5 missiles fired from drones on suspected terrorist hideouts.

February 14, 2009: More than 30 killed (including Taliban and Al-Qaeda members according to a Pakistani intelligence official and residents of the area) when two missiles are launched by CIA drones into Pakistan near town of Makeen in South Waziristan. Dozens of followers of Pakistan's top Taliban leader, Baitullah Mehsud, were staying in the housing compound in the village when it was hit by U.S. missiles.

February 16, 2009: Strike in Kurram Valley kills 30. The missile attack targeted a house used by a Taliban commander in Kurram

March 1, 2009: Strike in Sararogha village in South Waziristan kills seven suspected Islamic militants. "It was a Taleban sanctuary, which was destroyed in the attack," an unnamed Pakistani security official told AFP news agency. "Some foreigners were possibly among those killed, including Uzbeks and Arabs".

March 12, 2009: At least 24 Local Taliban killed. U.S. Missile Attack Targets Suspected Militant Hideout in Pakistan. Four missiles believed to have been fired by at least two pilotless U.S. drone aircraft hit a militant hideout and training camp in the Kurram tribal region on the Afghan border.
 
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Both the quality and numbers have ratcheted dramatically since your list, which ends 17 Sept, 2008. Look above here.
 
If the government supports drone strikes it must do it openly. So if there are any screw ups it should be dealt with. And if any point the strikes are deemed illegal, the courts can put pressure in many ways for the government to prevent them. You can't disagree that more innocents are killed than actual terrorists. No significant terrorist has been killed since the US decided to launch this invasion of our sovereignty.

If the people want these drone strikes to stop, then the government must act according to the people's mandate!

1) "If the government supports drone strikes it must do it openly." why? why not act in secret? governments often act in secret, patricularly for military and diplomatic matters. if your government could keep no secrets it would be crippled.

2)"And if any point the strikes are deemed illegal, the courts can put pressure in many ways for the government to prevent them." why would you want a judge in a courtroom to do the job of the president or prime minister or defense minister. a judge in a courtroom is not capable of doing a good job of that. how you deal with the us or the talinban are policy questions. turning them into legal questions will lead to stupid policy decisions. you have elected (after a fashion) leaders charged with the responsiblity of making policy decisions which are after all complicated compromises involving practical diplomatic military and political factors.

3) "You can't disagree that more innocents are killed than actual terrorists." I would put it a different way. I would say the pakistani government in toto is incompetent and ineffective and does not promote the welfare of the people of Pakistan or their security. Pakistan's government is a reflection of a very low level of political culture.

If the United States controls Pakistan and the United States is a democracy then in the greater scheme of things the principle of democracy is being vindicated.

Bin Laden is nowhere more popular than in Pakistan. That means the pakistanis are too primitive for responsible self-government.
 
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roadrunner,

False analogy.

Overlay a graph of girls schools closings over the same period with taliban violence. Was there an increase in violent acts because of an anger with the closings of schools or did schools close because of taliban violence?

What conclusions do you draw now?

That's not the point.

The point is these strikes aren't achieving anything. If they were achieving something substantial, you wouldn't see an increase in violence, but a decrease, or at least a stem in the violence.

"You can't disagree that more innocents are killed than actual terrorists."

Please provide your best count of those killed by PREDATOR/REAPER to resolve this because it is disputable and I'd like to know on what basis you make such a firm comment?

Any clearinghouse or a collection of links to articles but some summary that you believe accounts for both the missions executed and the casualties resulting. I know that we've got some blogs flying around that seem to account for many of these missions but perhaps not all. If pro-PREDATOR blogs such as the Long War Journal, maybe they've excluded attacks that have gone terribly wrong.

It'd help both you and I in our arguments. I, of course, can forewarn you that I'd expect innocents and readily presume any child or women to be such. 12-14 is where it'll get fuzzy to me, depending on the target.

Everyone knows what officially is supposed to have happened.

The point is locals don't believe those reports. Pakistani locals claim they are innocent people being blown up in these strikes. The Pakistani government says they're all bad.

Who do you believe? I supported Pakistani army blowing these plays up in real time.

I don't support Predator strikes because they operate on a lag. Local X with a grudge against local Y tells the authority that local Y's house is being used by the Taliban. Someone on the ground is paid off, and a chain of events occurs whereby the US is informed of this, and blindly blows up the house with a Predator. This might sound far fetched to you, but it's anything but. The US cannot do any checking from its view from a Predator drone. They're acting on intelligence and then blowing the shyt out of their target, no questions asked.

The other scenario is that a Predator on surveillance sees a group of armed men and blows them up from the sky. Hey, it's FATA, that's what they do in FATA. The identification process for the drugged out Yank controller is 1) Beard. Check 2) AK-47. Check 3) RPG-7 Check. Bombs away. None of that is illegal in FATA.
 
After each drone strike there is a lot of :blah::blah::blah: and stories of American Good Guys taking down Bad guys.

But at Funerals there is a different story, Dead Bodies down there provide us the REAL proof that who really died in those strikes.

People at funerals put White flags so that American Drones wont attack them believing that Many Terrorists are gathered at the same spot. Most of the causalities in each strike are women and children.
 

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