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Ukraine Prepares For War. Troops on High Alert

What a Russian Invasion of Eastern Ukraine Would Look Like | TIME.com

Russian soldiers near the Ukrainian military base in Bakhchysaray, Ukraine, March 3, 2014.

Judging by reports of Russian troops pouring into the Crimean Peninsula, stories of tense standoffs, sweeping proclamations and alleged deadlines for surrender, the crisis in Crimea is flirting dangerously close to a full scale war. As of Monday evening, there wasn’t a single report of shots fired, but in the history of warfare, past restraint has been a terrible predictor of future action. “War never breaks out wholly unexpectedly, nor can it be spread instantaneously,” famed military theorist Cal von Clausewitz wrote in the early 19th century. “Yet…as soon as preparations for a war begin,” he continued, “the world of reality takes over from the world of abstract thought.”

The reality is grim. It is clear that Russia sees the crisis differently than much of the rest of the world. ”The narrative about this in Russia is about protection of the ethnic Russians and the Russian-speaking population,” says Olga Oliker, senior international policy analyst for the Rand Corporation. “It is about stabilizing a country in chaos. It is about a country where, from the Russian perspective, a legally elected president has been deposed by a mob.”

Under those pretenses, Russian troops set about occupying Crimea and now no one knows what will happen next. “If [Russian President Vladimir Putin] is going to occupy a chunk of Ukraine, Crimea would be easier than eastern Ukraine,” Oliker says. The peninsula is self-contained and strategically vital, and the population is predominantly pro-Russian, making it a natural place to halt military operations and press for political gains. But Putin may press further into Ukraine. “If Russia were to actually push further into the country – into central and west Ukraine – it would face a very, very ugly occupation very quickly,” Oliker says. “Over time, an occupation of east Ukraine would also turn ugly.”

Retired U.S. Admiral James Stavridis, the former supreme allied commander of NATO, now the dean of the Fletcher School at Tufts University, wrote a piece in Foreign Policy arguing that NATO needs to develop plans to react to a full-scale invasion of Ukraine and support the ill-prepared Ukrainian military. “Like a chess player leaning forward, [Putin's] moves are sweeping the board,” Stavridis writes.

Based on the early reports, it’s difficult to detail the composition of Russian forces in Crimea. When troops first appeared, sealing off roads and taking vital airports, they wore uniforms without insignia, but they were well-equipped and quickly swept across the countryside. Ukraine’s envoy at the U.N. claimed on Monday that there were 16,000 Russian troops deployed in Crimea. Over the weekend, Russia conducted military drills near the Ukrainian border with a reported 150,000 troops. According to Russian media, the exercises involved more than 90 aircraft, 120 helicopters, 880 tanks and 80 naval vessels. Mechanized infantry and highly-trained paratroopers conducted maneuvers. “Exercises only show you so much, and they’re almost always reported on afterwards as a tremendous success,” Oliker says. Even taken skeptically, the reports indicate that Russia has enough troops and firepower to easily invade eastern Ukraine.

If Russia continues the invasion, troops will most likely surround Ukrainian garrisons and demand the Ukrainians disarm. Then, there are two likely scenarios. The first is that one side or the other starts shooting, precipitating a full scale war. By most accounts, when Russia invaded Georgia in 2008, the Georgian military made the first move, but the Russians were primed for a provocation.

A similar episode is possible in Ukraine, but Russian troops will be moving to occupy pro-Russian towns and cities near the border. Any airstrikes or use of artillery is unlikely, unless Russian troops meet stiff resistance. Even if they were able to invade Russia-friendly eastern Ukraine without much fighting, the move would exacerbate an already tense situation. “If [Putin] tries to move against the towns and cities along the border in eastern Ukraine, which are all heavily Russian, then we are qualitatively in an entirely new crisis,” says Thomas Nichols, professor of national security affairs at the Naval War College.

Russian’s next move depends on Putin’s broader political goals. If he intends to annex Crimea permanently, he could stay put, or push his forces far enough to establish a de facto annexation of the peninsula. Exclaves are nothing new to Moscow and it retains a form of de facto suzerainty over the breakaway Georgian republics of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. But if Putin intends to dominate the status quo in Ukraine, he could push further into the country. Nichols argues that the U.S., its European allies and NATO have done little to deter Putin’s actions. “Why should he stop?” Nichols asks. “What’s the West policy been so far? ‘Stop, or we’ll say stop again.’”
 
Not really, Turkey doesnt see Russia as a threat, Russia has no balls to attack a NATO country.

NATO is not your bodyguard, little missy.

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NATO is not your bodyguard, little missy.

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Turkey is no Ukraine. This picture is false, Turkey can be the wolf vs Russia, the bear.

Turkeys shiting in their pants.
Of course, Russia is stronger than Turkey, but a military like the Turkish one is able of beating the crap out of the Russian if were invaded. In other words, Turkey is too big for Russia to chew like Georgia or Ukraine.
 
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Monday, EU foreign ministers began considering how these lofty principles could be applied in practice. One idea gaining ground was for European contact groups to circulate Ukraine and discuss arrangements based on these principles with local authorities.
However, according to our US and Russian sources, Putin is after hard, practical strategic gains, principally, a demilitarized Crimea that would not threaten Russia from its western doorstep.
In fact, the Russian president has couched his demands for further negotiations under four headings:

1. The Kiev government whichever form it takes must sign an obligation to abstain from any ties with NATO.
2. Neither the US, NATO or any other power will deploy X-Band or BX-1 radar stations on Ukraine territory whether on land, sea or air. This guarantee would additionally cover elements of an anti-missile missile shield and ballistic missiles placing Russia in their sights.
3. Restrictions will govern the types of weapons allowed the Ukrainian army.
4. Local military bodies will be established to protect the Russian-speaking and ethnic Russian regions of Ukraine.
Putin emphasized in his conversation with Merkel that, until those four conditions are met, Russian forces would remain where they are in Crimea and if this was deemed necesssary, advance into other parts of Ukraine.

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Told you guys it's about security.
 
Poland moves troops, flies jets near Ukraine border.
Reports of NATO ships entering the Black Sea.
US carrier parked in Greece.
10 bill.$ in sold off gold to prop up the rouble.
Putin orders troops back to barracks.
Problem? :super:

At most, Crimea will get independence or republic status within Russia. Eastern Ukraine is out of reach by now, the demographics are not so clearly cut in favour of ethnic Russian population, and more importantly, the oligarchs that own all the industry have just been appointed as regional governors in eastern parts of Ukraine.
 
Turkey is no Ukraine. This picture is false, Turkey can be the wolf vs Russia, the bear.

Syria shot down turkish F4...turkish reaction...zero
Israel killed turkish sailors...turkish reaction...zero
USA bombed turkish warship...turkish reaction...zero
kurds terrorizing turkish citizens...turkish reaction...zero

An old toothless dog is no wolf!

Of course, Russia is stronger than Turkey, but a military like the Turkish one is able of beating the crap out of the Russian if were invaded. In other words, Turkey is too big for Russia to chew like Georgia or Ukraine.

With islamist government, turkey and its kemalist military is weak like never before. 600 turkish generals sitting in jail! LOL

Russia will easily crush turkey after the kurdish uprising has started.
 
Syria shot down turkish F4...turkish reaction...zero
Israel killed turkish sailors...turkish reaction...zero
USA bombed turkish warship...turkish reaction...zero
kurds terrorizing turkish citizens...turkish reaction...zero

An old toothless dog is no wolf!



With islamist government, turkey and its kemalist military is weak like never before. 600 turkish generals sitting in jail! LOL

Russia will easily crush turkey after the kurdish uprising has started.
Why didn't you do it in the past then?
 
One attack from Russia agaist a NATO country means the whole alliace is involved. So we are pretty much eachothers bodyguard little kid... :coffee:

Like they helped you against SYRIA (shot down your plane), ISRAEL (killed your sailors), KURDS (terrorized your citizens) or GREEKS (slaughtered your turkish cypriot brothers)...lmao

NATO was perfect to enforce the US Embargos on you after Cyprus crisis. :cheesy:

We will just send the chechens in Turkey to deal with you guys. Im sure the afghans wouldn't mind helping either.

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Like they helped you against SYRIA (shot down your plane), ISRAEL (killed your sailors), KURDS (terrorized your citizens) or GREEKS (slaughtered your turkish cypriot brothers)...lmao

NATO was perfect to enforce the US Embargos on you after Cyprus crisis. :cheesy:
Your iq is probably the same as your shoe number...
 
Like they helped you against SYRIA (shot down your plane), ISRAEL (killed your sailors), KURDS (terrorized your citizens) or GREEKS (slaughtered your turkish cypriot brothers)...lmao

NATO was perfect to enforce the US Embargos on you after Cyprus crisis. :cheesy:
What was our reaction to greece? We invaded and now we are building our own defence industry. We support opposition in syria, and we attacked assads soldiers as well, we cut many relations with Israel aswell. Didn't you see our guys beat up their special forces with just sticks? We threw them over the ship. The PKK is basically eliminated in Turkey right now. You have no idea what you are talking about
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The only thing the chechens feed your tanks is RPG's.
 

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