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How about make FC and Rangers a completely dedicated COIN force specially trained and equipped for COIN.While army gaurds borders.
 
Leave revenge, we would not even see combing missions to clean this mess up. Or force protection for future convoys. And to imagine that Ormara is to house a premier naval base. =)
 
Mostly drones can fly more than 12 hours. Air surveillance is becoming important now. We don't need more tanks in current hybrid and two front war..
how are you going to provide data link beyond line of sight?
you need satelites and whole steup
 
how are you going to provide data link beyond line of sight?
you need satelites and whole steup
Bases in Karachi, Ormara and Pasni can all house drones and handle LOS connections over the entire stretch of Coastal Highway. The question is not about having satellites but if there's even the slightest bit of will and inclination to extend force protection to these soldiers.
 
Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi rajioon.


starting to think that Blctn is a lost cause.
 
Everything is a lost cause when you have cucks ruling you. When you have cowards and pacifists as your leader
these politicians & Generals will sit idle as long as their homes & children are safe. remember the old times when even their homes weren't safe & they used to gather all in APCs to start operation rahe nijaat operation zarbe azab operation xyz lol you probably got what i'm conveying. one attack on these haramkhors & everything will start to fall in its rightful place.
 
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these politicians & Generals will sit idle as long as their homes & children are safe. remember the old times when even their homes weren't safe & they used to gather all in APCs to start operation rahe nijaat operation zarbe azab opetation xyz lol you probably got what i'm conveying. one attack on these haramkhors & everything will start to fall in its rightful place.

Nobody cares because they are not losing their sons in middle of no where

And if you notice it is still the same areas that are coming in news again and again. Makran region in Balochistan and Waziristan in KPK

There is no other area. But still our rulers couldn't create a strategy for these areas. Soldiers are still moving around in tin cans and getting killed. No change in either strategy in these areas nor of logistics or transportation. All is same like before

This is disgraceful behavior. Even nobody would like to name Iran where all these BLF terrorists are hiding. Our human rights minister is working for free as foreign minister of Iran while Iran hides these terrorists
 
thesed rones are line of sight drones, you need long endurance sateliite base drones..

but as said before, drones, MRAPs are more needed than VT4 or anything else..you are going to loose not only men but alot in economic damages if you cant squash a insurgency

Then get those drones from China

Get their drones who are satellite based. Don't just warm seats in Rawalpindi and Islamabad while our soldiers keep on dying in same areas again and again
 
Pakistanis seem to be more interested in supporting Azerbaijan then their own army. Pakistanis have became very weak minded. Gen Bajwa is not suitable for the role anymore.

Bajwa was never suitable for the role. I knew it from the day when zardari came back to Pak after 1 and a half year of his self exile from Dubai within days of Bajwa became Army chief and Gen Raheel was gone. Nawaz Sharif made Bajwa army chief because of Bajwa's weak personality.

MQM would have been alive today with all its killings in Karachi if Bajwa was army chief rather Gen Raheel in early 2016. Bajwa even cannot tame PTM. This is Bajwa who made Nawaz Sharif escaped from the country and now the same NS is talking openly against the institution. There was glimpse of hope for accountability of the corrupts which died down because army leadership (Read Bajwa) does not want the accountability. Leave accountability of corrupt politicians, Bajwa is busy in meeting 1st tier, 2nd tier and 3rd tier of all the corrupt politicians knowingly fully that they are the ones who looted this country for decades. This was both Bajwa's and IK's decision to release Abhinindon within couple of days of his capture and gave Modi an opportunity of portraying this as victory and then Modi won the landslide victory and changed the article 370 afterwards.

When FM Qureshi spoke against Saudia for Kashmir in Aug 2020 then the Bajwa and ISI chief went to Saudia where they were met by 32 years old Deputy Defense minister and these two God fathers embarrassed the whole nation of Pak. Even the US does not treat Pak army chiefs like this. I remember Gen Raheel did take the name of Iran during Ruhani's visit to Pak when Yadav was captured but Bajwa is so coward that he never uttered the name of Iran for BLF's activities in Pak. Leave Iran, Bajwa even do not take the name of Afganistan regime for its terrorist activities in PAk. Under Gen Raheel, hundreds of thousands of Afgan refugees were sent back to Afganistan which were reversed under Bajwa.

TTP resurfaced in North waziristan during the tenure of Bajwa and killings of military personnel are increasing day by day in Balochistan.

We all know India is occupied with China in Ladakh for 6 months. What advantage PA took of it. Even if there is a full fledged war occurs between India and China, Pak will not go for IOK since Bajwa is too coward for it.

I also blame IK for it. IK was the one who gave 3 years of extension to Bajwa which Bajwa never deserved. Justice Khosa may have his own prejudice but he was right in opposing the Bajwa's extension. I do not see things going better till Nov 2022 when Bajwa will retire.
 
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Bajwa was never suitable for the role. I knew it from the day when zardari came back to Pak after 1 and a half year of his self exile from Dubai within days of when Bajwa became Army chief and Gen Raheel was gone. Nawaz Sharif made Bajwa army chief because of Bajwa's weak personality.

MQM would have been alive today with all its killings in Karachi if Bajwa was army chief rather Gen Raheel in early 2016. Bajwa even cannot tame PTM. This is Bajwa who made Nawaz Sharif escaped from the country and now the same NS is talking openly against the institution. There was glimpse of hope for accountability of the corrupts which died down because army leadership (Read Bajwa) does not want the accountability. Leave accountability of corrupt politicians, Bajwa is busy in meeting 1st tier, 2nd tier and 3rd tier of all the corrupt politicians knowingly fully that they are the ones who looted this country for decades. This was both Bajwa's and IK's decision to release Abhinindon within couple of days of his capture and gave Modi an opportunity of portraying this as victory and then Modi won the landslide victory and changed the article 370 afterwards.

When FM Qureshi spoke against Saudia for Kashmir in Aug 2020 then the Bajwa and ISI chief went to Saudia where they were met by 32 years old Deputy Defense minister and these two God fathers embarrassed the whole nation of Pak. Even the US does not treat Pak army chiefs like this. I remember Gen Raheel did take the name of Iran during Ruhani's visit to Pak when Yadav was captured but Bajwa is so coward that he can't utter the name of Iran for BLF's activities in Pak Leave Iran, Bajwa even do not take the name of Afganistan regime for its terrorist activities in PAk.

TTP resurfaced in North waziristan during the tenure of Bajwa and killings of military personnel are increasing day by day in Balochistan.

We all know India is occupied with China in Ladakh for 6 months. What advantage PA took of it. Even if there is a full fledged war occurs between Indian and China, Pak wil not go for IOK since Bajwa is too coward for it.

I also blame IK for it. IK was the one who gave 3 years of extension to Bajwa which Bajwa never deserved. Justice Khosa may have his own prejudice but he was right in opposing the Bajwa's extension. I do not see things going better till Nov 2022 when Bajwa will retire.
Gen Bajwa seems to enjoy his tea biscuit meetings. I can't see any hope for Pak. We need a nationalist movement. We also need to stop treating enemy combatants as celebrities. Pakistanis have lost the will to fight. We just dont seem to be an aggressive nation.
 
Wonder what the result of the 5th GW/Hybrid war in this thread would be....
 
china turkey ..so many countries can provide them at very cheap cost..
but if the brace didnt budge 10 years ago why would it budge now ..

FC is cheap pushtoon labour..why would some generals from central Punjab care sitting..like it or not THIS is the reality
Despite not having armoured vehicles FC have certainly come very far from the days of wearing shalwar kmeez and sandals loosely carrying an AK47. They have been transformed into functioning organisation. They do require armoured vehicles though.
 
Despite not having armoured vehicles FC have certainly come very far from the days of wearing shalwar kmeez and sandals loosely carrying an AK47. They have been transformed into functioning organisation. They do require armoured vehicles though.
AND AIR SUPPORT IN FORM OF DRONES...
DRONES ARE NOT VERY EXPENSIVE TO OPERATE
GOVT NEEDS TO PUT A SIDE A BILLION DOLLARS for FC
get 500-600 MRAPs for high tempo areas of wazirstan
and 50-100 drones.. with 5-6 in air all the time

we started good in mid 2000s with falco but then things fell off
 
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