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Pakistan's security agencies are involved in extrajudicial killings in Balochistan, the province's chief minister says.

Sardar Aslam Raisani told the BBC some of the political killings were "definitely" by security agencies.

Human rights organisations say kidnappings and murders of political dissidents are at an all-time high in the province.

Balochistan has been at the centre of a decade-long insurgency.

Pakistan's security agencies have long denied extrajudicial killings.

Mr Raisani, an influential tribal leader, is a member of the country's ruling Pakistan People's Party, but anti-government feeling runs high among voters in Balochistan.
Summary executions?

"Some of the abductions and killings are definitely carried out by security agencies," Mr Raisani told the BBC in an exclusive interview in Islamabad.

He also stressed that some of the deaths were the responsibility of tribesmen who have been fighting for greater political autonomy.

"They [insurgents and security agents] have been targeting each others' activists," he said.

Human rights campaigners said they were astounded by the chief minister's candour.

Ali Dayan Hasan, of Human Rights Watch, told the BBC: "The chief minister's casual acceptance that the military is disappearing and possibly killing citizens is preposterous and appalling.

"He should be seeking to hold military intelligence agencies accountable rather than appearing to give them sanction for a policy of disappearances and summary execution."

Besides being the largest of Pakistan's four provinces in terms of area, Balochistan is also rich in minerals.

But many of its people feel they have been systematically discriminated against by the federal government.

The province saw its first major rebellion in the 1970s, when at least 10,000 people are estimated to have died.

Rebellion erupted again in 2000, when some of the insurgent leaders returned from exile in Afghanistan.
'Mutilated bodies'

It reached its peak in 2006, when Pakistani army troops killed veteran Baloch politician and tribal leader Nawab Akbar Bugti.

Since then a crackdown has continued on insurgents across the province.

Hundreds of Baloch people have disappeared in what human rights organisations say are state-sponsored abductions.

The rebel leaders have repeatedly refused to talk to the government, despite several offers.

Some of these overtures have been from the president and prime minister.

The insurgents claim the army is really in charge and has double standards when it comes to Balochistan.

"So many people have been killed in Karachi, but is the army carrying out an operation there?" asked Ataullah Mengal, chief of the Balochistan National Party [BNP] and former chief minister of the province.

"In Balochistan, however, it's the army and ISI [intelligence service] who are completely in control. They detain people in broad daylight.

"Later their mutilated bodies are found in ditches with the words 'this is an Eid [Muslim festival marking end of Ramadan] gift for Balochistan' carved on their chests."

Mr Mengal is said to be close to the rebels; his own son was held without charge for several months by security forces.

The opposition leader and other rebel leaders say the army has spilt too much blood for them to return.

He says they will settle for nothing less than independence from Pakistan.

BBC News - Top Balochistan minister alleges extrajudicial killings
 
Pakistan's security agencies are involved in extrajudicial killings in Balochistan, the province's chief minister says.

Sardar Aslam Raisani told the BBC some of the political killings were "definitely" by security agencies.

Human rights organisations say kidnappings and murders of political dissidents are at an all-time high in the province.

Balochistan has been at the centre of a decade-long insurgency.

Pakistan's security agencies have long denied extrajudicial killings.

Mr Raisani, an influential tribal leader, is a member of the country's ruling Pakistan People's Party, but anti-government feeling runs high among voters in Balochistan.
Summary executions?

"Some of the abductions and killings are definitely carried out by security agencies," Mr Raisani told the BBC in an exclusive interview in Islamabad.

He also stressed that some of the deaths were the responsibility of tribesmen who have been fighting for greater political autonomy.

"They [insurgents and security agents] have been targeting each others' activists," he said.

Human rights campaigners said they were astounded by the chief minister's candour.

Ali Dayan Hasan, of Human Rights Watch, told the BBC: "The chief minister's casual acceptance that the military is disappearing and possibly killing citizens is preposterous and appalling.

"He should be seeking to hold military intelligence agencies accountable rather than appearing to give them sanction for a policy of disappearances and summary execution."

Besides being the largest of Pakistan's four provinces in terms of area, Balochistan is also rich in minerals.

But many of its people feel they have been systematically discriminated against by the federal government.

The province saw its first major rebellion in the 1970s, when at least 10,000 people are estimated to have died.

Rebellion erupted again in 2000, when some of the insurgent leaders returned from exile in Afghanistan.
'Mutilated bodies'

It reached its peak in 2006, when Pakistani army troops killed veteran Baloch politician and tribal leader Nawab Akbar Bugti.

Since then a crackdown has continued on insurgents across the province.

Hundreds of Baloch people have disappeared in what human rights organisations say are state-sponsored abductions.

The rebel leaders have repeatedly refused to talk to the government, despite several offers.

Some of these overtures have been from the president and prime minister.

The insurgents claim the army is really in charge and has double standards when it comes to Balochistan.

"So many people have been killed in Karachi, but is the army carrying out an operation there?" asked Ataullah Mengal, chief of the Balochistan National Party [BNP] and former chief minister of the province.

"In Balochistan, however, it's the army and ISI [intelligence service] who are completely in control. They detain people in broad daylight.

"Later their mutilated bodies are found in ditches with the words 'this is an Eid [Muslim festival marking end of Ramadan] gift for Balochistan' carved on their chests."


Mr Mengal is said to be close to the rebels; his own son was held without charge for several months by security forces.

The opposition leader and other rebel leaders say the army has spilt too much blood for them to return.

He says they will settle for nothing less than independence from Pakistan.

BBC News - Top Balochistan minister alleges extrajudicial killings

Jesus Christ its barbaric, Very sad indeed.
 
This is not just limited to Baluchistan, look at the trophy mobile clips leaked recently in places like swat and FATA, not even elderly white men with beards were spared. In swat, Human rights agencies were highlighting these killings by pak army as they happened during the time (i.e. 2009 NYT article), young teenage boys found throughout the valleys in various ditches, over 200 of them, riddled with bullets, but the state funded propagandists blamed in on locals when its more than evident that Pak-Army was lining them up and shooting them to instill fear into anyone who might be deemed a threat.

No doubt, the mobile clips will be leaked soon of the Baluchistan executions, needless to say Pakistani's will remain in a state of denial.

I however am not blinded by patriotism as I see no difference between someone who beheads a symbol of the state OR soldier who get a kick out of lining up innocent kids to shoot with a army-issued G3 rifle.
 
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How different is this to what the Indian army does in Kashmir, except they do it on a much larger scale. Balochistan's total population is only 8 million, the population of only J&K is over 11 million at least. In Balochistan, only the people that tear down gas pipelines and challenge the authority of the Pakistan government are punished; in India, the majority of the atrocities are against regular civilians. India has deployed over 500,000 troops in J&K.

Why don't these things get much more coverage in the international media?
 
How different is this to what the Indian army does in Kashmir, except they do it on a much larger scale. Balochistan's total population is only 8 million, the population of only J&K is over 11 million at least. In Balochistan, only the people that tear down gas pipelines and challenge the authority of the Pakistan government are punished; in India, the majority of the atrocities are against regular civilians. India has deployed over 500,000 troops in J&K.

Why don't these things get much more coverage in the international media?

Oh! so the people being killed in Balochistan are not civilians or the people getting killed in Kashmir riots are not parts of that riot?? As a matter of fact all the deaths in Kashmir in the recent protests happened when police fired on the rioters.
Where as in Balochistan, your minister is claiming that people are being abducted from their homes and are assasinated...

Later their mutilated bodies are found in ditches with the words 'this is an Eid [Muslim festival marking end of Ramadan] gift for Balochistan' carved on their chests
 
Oh! so the people being killed in Balochistan are not civilians or the people getting killed in Kashmir riots are not parts of that riot?? As a matter of fact all the deaths in Kashmir in the recent protests happened when police fired on the rioters.
Where as in Balochistan, your minister is claiming that people are being abducted from their homes and are assasinated...



No, if you know anything about Balochistan, you would know that there are political dissenters that destroy pipelines, other sources of development by the Pakistani government to keep their people underdeveloped (Bugti) so that their authority isn't challenged. And btw, even in Balochistan, the actual % of Balochis is only 50%, the other 50% is divided into Pashtoons, Punjabis and Sindhis, and these 3 groups harbor no ill feelings towards Pakistan. With the building of the Gwadar port, the Pakistani government reserved 3 million jobs for Balochis ONLY. Hence, despite the perception that the common man is against the government of Pakistan, they are not.

In J&K, unfortunately, the situation is different. These people have to live under 500,000 Indian troops, get fired at and raped constantly. Their movement for independence has been since 1947, yet they only became violent in the end 1980's after ruthless Indian terrorism against innocent Kashmiris, and the blind killing of civilians that had nothing to do with terrorism. So obviously, they will start rioting against the Indian government. The fact that these atrocities don't make it to most international media outlets shows their malice and their ulterior motives against Pakistan.

A extremely rare, truthful article about Kashmir, especially considering it's the BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/07/kashmir_on_the_boil.html
 
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Oh! so the people being killed in Balochistan are not civilians or the people getting killed in Kashmir riots are not parts of that riot?? As a matter of fact all the deaths in Kashmir in the recent protests happened when police fired on the rioters.
Where as in Balochistan, your minister is claiming that people are being abducted from their homes and are assasinated...



No, if you know anything about Balochistan, you would know that there are political dissenters that destroy pipelines, other sources of development by the Pakistani government to keep their people underdeveloped (Bugti) so that their authority isn't challenged. And btw, even in Balochistan, the actual % of Balochis is only 50%, the other 50% is divided into Pashtoons, Punjabis and Sindhis, and these 3 groups harbor no ill feelings towards Pakistan. With the building of the Gwadar port, the Pakistani government reserved 3 million jobs for Balochis ONLY. Hence, despite the perception that the common man is against the government of Pakistan, they are not.

In J&K, unfortunately, the situation is different. These people have to live under 500,000 Indian troops, get fired at and raped constantly. Their movement for independence has been since 1947, yet they only became violent in the end 1980's after ruthless Indian terrorism against innocent Kashmiris, and the blind killing of civilians that had nothing to do with terrorism. So obviously, they will start rioting against the Indian government. The fact that these atrocities don't make it to most international media outlets shows their malice and their ulterior motives against Pakistan.

A extremely rare, truthful article about Kashmir, especially considering it's the BBC:

BBC - Soutik Biswas's India: Deja vu in Kashmir

The problem here is most outside observers know Balochistan only by what they read in the press or watch on TV or through fourms like this.

They get to hear all the alleged nastiness by the establishment, but never do they hear about the brutality of dogs like Bugtis, Mengals and mari. Of course the grass is awlays green from their side :angel:
 
The problem here is most outside observers know Balochistan only by what they read in the press or watch on TV or through fourms like this.

They get to hear all the alleged nastiness by the establishment, but never do they hear about the brutality of dogs like Bugtis, Mengals and mari. Of course the grass is awlays green from their side :angel:

We should not denie that their are some rogue elements within Pakistan army who are torturing and killing people in Pakistan. This things happen in every war and in every army. Even in the so called disiplined armies in the world soldiers do things you never think they would do.
 
We should not denie that their are some rogue elements within Pakistan army who are torturing and killing people in Pakistan. This things happen in every war and in every army. Even in the so called disiplined armies in the world soldiers do things you never think they would do.

No one is denying that read my previous posts. But then why should we deny that these feudal lords are innocent little cherubs? It that an impartial statement... or stance?

Clearly not!
 

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