The World's Greatest Fighter Jet: The F-15 Eagle

[LeGenD]

America has never fought anyone who can actually fight back.

But the f15 is a beast even today

More like no country is able to fight US conventionally and last long.

 

[Trango Towers]

More like no country is able to fight US conventionally and last long.

Arrogantly stated but why does America keep losing then? Ran is the dark of the night from Afghanistan. Couldn't wait to get out of Iraq. Vietnam oh the images. And Korea loooool

 

[gambit]

Arrogantly stated but why does America keep losing then?

Because the US is the worst military power in the world. We rank even lower than the Pakistani military.

 

[LeGenD]

Arrogantly stated but why does America keep losing then? Ran is the dark of the night from Afghanistan. Couldn't wait to get out of Iraq. Vietnam oh the images. And Korea loooool

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History of American Wars and Warfare Concepts

The United States (US) has fought many wars and became the most powerful country in the world. This thread provides an overview of American wars and their respective outcomes. This thread also disclose American warfare theories and concepts that were adopted to plan and fight limited-scale wars...

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US-led forces were up against combined forces of China, USSR and North Korea in the Korean War, and managed to liberate South Korea - this was the primary military objective and it was achieved. This is called "victory."

US completely and utterly defeated Iraq in two separate wars. I am not sure what constitute defeat in your books. Do tell me how Iraq won this war from any perspective. Muslims really need to wake the hell up.

Biden is responsible for poorly-executed American EXIT from Afghanistan - political blunder.

US can turn Afghanistan into a wasteland but is this to be done for bragging on forums?

Sensible posts please.

 

[420canada]

First...No jets are 'even' match against each other. That statement alone marked you as an amateur when it comes to aviation knowledge. By the way, I am former USAF, F-111 (Cold War), then F-16 (Desert Storm).

Now...Airmen the world over learned mostly hard lessons in and out of the cockpits. In aviation in general, not even military aviation, lessons are usually harsh. Instructors are there to save you from moving from harsh to fatal, but even so, sometimes they fail, and when they do, both student and instructor paid with their lives.

In combat, there is no such thing as a fair fight. You can fight honorably and unfairly. Outnumber and outgun your opponent is one example.

I learned an excellent lesson from a senior NCO...

In a fight, you win not by fighting under your opponent's rules, but by forcing him to fight under yours. And cheating is allowed.​

What it means is that whatever technical advantages you have, you fight your opponents under those advantages. Those advantages are rules. If you have superior radar, fight from afar. If you have superior power, avoid turning fights. If you have superior sustaining gs, take the turning fight. If you are smaller like my F-16, take the fight against terrain background to confuse his sensor and vision. And so on. This is where the pilot and the machine complement each other.

Most people misunderstand this old adage...

You fight like you train.​

What it really means is the unspoken opposite: How you train is a reflection of how you want to fight.

Because if you want to fight your most ferocious you must devise training regimes that will allow you to touch the fatality threshold. Most air forces do not want to go there. But we do. Then we build airplanes to match. The results are the lopsided air victories that made you jealous and make lame excuses like you just did. Combat is not a boxing match. If I have to wear gloves, I will weight them. If you train with your fists, I will use kicks, grappling, and headbutts. Because US airpower trains like how we want to fight, we have Top Gun and Red Flag, training programs that every country want to part take.

So yes, US airpower is proud of our 'mismatch' opponents. Cry yourself a river.

Nice too see you after many years sir.

 

[Trango Towers]

Look at how your link describes defeats....only writing in red. Not the word defeat. Where as victories are clearly written as victory. Rational and unbiased. Clearly

Now the Korean war...it was UN forces (not just US) vs the North Koreans. China joined in when threatened and Russian troops were never on the ground. The objective was to defeat the communists and UN forces having been beaten back to the 58th parallel settled for a truce. The result is the hair trigger peace even today. So no victory. But you can say what you like.

Iraq. Yes the combined armies of the world and not just US alone defeated Iraq militarily and then when the fightback started why did they not stay and fix the country that they liberated and freed into the democracy the promised. War is not just a battlefield victory. American committed heinous crimes. Murder rape and pillage. You forgotten abu gharaib and massacres of civilians and rendition flights. The people fought back and the Americans were desperate for a way out. Just look at the news. You are good at research.

Afghanistan was not a Biden blunder. In the words of gen humid gull may Allah have mercy upon him. You have not won. They are watching you and they will kill you slowly. You will want to get out but you won't be able to. Again. Combined armies of the world and NATO's 1st war. Total failure and defeat. Taliban won.
Yes America could lay any country to waste but they went there for resources and not their agent OBL. Those resources today are extracted by Chinese companies without an army.

Wars are not just a military victory. Its also the peace afterwards and that's where Americans totally fail

 

[VCheng]

right, Americans need to outsource this to Jero Inventors.

No thank you. The 737 Max AoA sensor software was enough of a horrible experiment. No more.

 

[PradoTLC]

Because the US is the worst military power in the world. We rank even lower than the Pakistani military.

100% true.

Pakistan with its tiny defence budget kicked Taliban out Pakistan into A-stan.... the Taliban threw the back the Americans where they came from...

6 Harrier jets destroyed, 2 damaged in Taliban assault on Camp Bastion​

BY BILL ROGGIO | September 16, 2012 | admin@longwarjournal.org | @billroggio

AV-8B Harriers operating in Afghanistan. Image from the US Department of Defense.​

Friday night’s “well-coordinated” suicide assault on Camp Bastion resulted in the destruction of six US Harrier strike aircraft and significant damage to two others. The members of the suicide assault team wore US Army uniforms and “appeared to be well equipped, trained and rehearsed,” the International Security Assistance Force said.

The nighttime attack, in which a suicide assault team penetrated the perimeter of Camp Bastion, a sprawling base in the Desert of Death in Helmand province, resulted in the death of two ISAF soldiers. Eight other ISAF troops and a civilian contractor were wounded in the attack. Fourteen members of the assault team were killed and one more was wounded and captured.

“The attack commenced just after 10 p.m. when approximately 15 insurgents executed a well-coordinated attack against the airfield on Camp Bastion,” ISAF said in a statement that provided additional details on the attack. “The insurgents, organized into three teams, penetrated at one point of the perimeter fence.”

6 Harrier jets destroyed, 2 damaged in Taliban assault on Camp Bastion | FDD's Long War Journal

The loss of the strike aircraft will impact military operations in the south. The members of the suicide assault team wore US Army uniforms and "appeared to be well equipped, trained and rehearsed," ISAF said.

www.longwarjournal.org

personally I think it was all those smelly feet that drove the Americans mad...

 

[jhungary]

ground war as much as air war, there are no point to have "The Best" equipment. As long as you weren't the second best in that war.

This "the best" whatever is Bullshit.

 

[HGV]

US completely and utterly defeated Iraq in two separate wars. I am not sure what constitute defeat in your books. Do tell me how Iraq won this war from any perspective. Muslims really need to wake the hell up.

Wars are typically fought to achieve certain objectives (usually political), not just to kill more of your enemy forces than they can kill of yours. You can also achieve a tactical victory but ultimately suffer a strategic failure.

When people talk about the $8 trillion the US spent in its multiple invasions and acts of aggression across West Asia, the almost 20 year Vietnam War which cost $1 trillion etc, these are the things they are referring to when they talk about victory or losses.

The US military has (by and large) a very good record of achieving tactical military victories, no one can deny that.

March 25, 2023

US Deploys F-15 Fighters To Launch Retaliatory Strike In Syria After Iranian Drone Hits US Military Base

Hours after a military base housing US troops was struck allegedly by an Iranian drone, the US Central Military Command (CENTCOM) dispatched its most trusted and combat-hardened fighter, the F-15E, to launch retaliatory strikes. Tensions have significantly ratcheted between the two adversaries...

eurasiantimes.com

US Deploys F-15 Fighters To Launch Retaliatory Strike In Syria After Iranian Drone Hits US Military Base

Hours after a military base housing US troops was struck allegedly by an Iranian drone, the US Central Military Command (CENTCOM) dispatched its most trusted and combat-hardened fighter, the F-15E, to launch retaliatory strikes.

Your response to the person saying the US air force would not fare as well against near-peer adversaries such as Russia or China is to invoke retaliatory US airstrikes against Syrian militias from Syrian territory illegally occupied by the US in war-torn Syria... How does that make sense?

 

[Trango Towers]

More like no country is able to fight US conventionally and last long.

True but when they last they win

Afghanistan
Korea
Vietnam
Iraq

 

[HGV]

True but when they last they win

Afghanistan
Korea
Vietnam
Iraq

None of those (except for Korea) fought the US conventionally.

We need to have a honest discussion about the parameters of "military victory" for the US in these (illegal) invasions. For example, when the US illegally invaded Iraq in 2003, they basically achieved their military goals within 4-6 weeks (capture Baghdad, overthrow Saddam's regime). If they then withdrew from Iraq, it would be impossible to call it a failure in purely military terms. But they then decided to occupy Iraq until 2011, and an insurgency began against them. They failed to build a stable new regime to replace the one they had invaded to overthrow and by the time they withdrew, they had turned Iran's biggest enemy into a very divided territory fertile for the pursuit of foreign (primarily American, Saudi and Iranian) and sectarian interests, ultimately leading to the rise of ISIS. Is that a strategic military victory worth $2 trillion and thousands of American casualties? Arguably not.

 

[Tornado23]

True but when they last they win

Afghanistan
Korea
Vietnam
Iraq

Korea didn't win. Literally have North and South Korea because US/Coalition intervention. Had they not intervened, South Korea wouldn't have existed.
Vietnam, militarily the US was winning, however the VC still inflicted A LOT of damage on the US and its ally the South Vietnamese.
Iraq....Iraq lost horribly during the 1991 and 2003 war. It was only the massive insurgency after it that made the US withdraw. Bearing in mind that insurgency is responsible for the deaths of thousands of iraqi civilians and Iraqi soldiers.

 

[Trango Towers]

Korea didn't win. Literally have North and South Korea because US/Coalition intervention. Had they not intervened, South Korea wouldn't have existed.
Vietnam, militarily the US was winning, however the VC still inflicted A LOT of damage on the US and its ally the South Vietnamese.
Iraq....Iraq lost horribly during the 1991 and 2003 war. It was only the massive insurgency after it that made the US withdraw. Bearing in mind that insurgency is responsible for the deaths of thousands of iraqi civilians and Iraqi soldiers.

Korea was a stalemate..but the UN force were superior in firepower etc but the Koreans with Chinese help ground the UN troops down.
It's wrong to think only the Americans fought in Korea

 

[Tornado23]

Korea was a stalemate..but the UN force were superior in firepower etc but the Koreans with Chinese help ground the UN troops down.
It's wrong to think only the Americans fought in Korea

Ultimately became a stalemate militarily after Chinese intervention, but the US/Coalition intervention literally saved what is today known as South Korea.

Also I used the term coalition for the UN.